"Twists" that just don't make sense

[Treefingers]

inception

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they start the movie off where if you die in the dream you wake up, half way through they are in a state where if they die in the dream they die for real (also his wife went to limbo from dying from a dream)

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The sedative they all took so that they could go down to the otherwise unreachable third dream level causes their heavily sedated subconscious to go into limbo. It's like the sedative is so strong that if you die in the dream you essentially go into a coma in real life. Saito 'dies' and goes to limbo, and after Cobb confesses to Ariadne about Mal he goes down there to find him, risking having to confront Mal again.

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then how did she get there?

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She's part of [Character who Leonardo plays]'s subconscious.

The plot twists in MGS4. They didn't bother to explain a damned thing.

why did you reply to this (the most random twist of all).

To answer your question.

haha did not see spoiler

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both her and Leonard went to limbo before the sedative and then left and then she killed herself. beat that.

I have no idea what you're saying.

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In a flashback story in inception they both go to limbo, all of this unfolds before it was possible to die in the dream.

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Mal committed suicide in real life. Whenever Cobb is in a dream, his subconscious creates visions of her. I think you've got it all muddled up.

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she committed suicide because Leonard put the idea in her head in limbo. Then how did they get to limbo w/o the drug?

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Who says they didn't have the drug then? As far as i can tell, that's just left unexplained. It was before the events of the film take place. They shouldn't have to explain everything. The film functions perfectly well without telling you why they were in limbo back then. Fill in the gaps for yourself - Previous mission, things went wrong, stuck in limbo.

Spoiler: OK, I'm going to clear all of this up, once and for all.

Mal and Cobb went into limbo(with the required sedative. "Why WOULDN'T they be able to use it?" is the real question.) They did it, essentially, just for fun. Seriously, there's quite a few shots of them just sitting on the floor of a house somewhere, getting ready to "limbo" voluntarily, under no duress whatsoever. Where did you get the whole "job gone wrong" thing? Anyway, eventually Cobb becomes concerned that they will never leave because Mal has become convinced that Limbo is reality. He performs inception, they leave, she commits suicide, etc, etc. At any point after that, Mal is dead, and she is only appearing as Cobb's incredibly powerful subconscious.

The REAL plot hole of Inception(though not really a twist) is that Cobb's creations are still there in Limbo when...you know...the Asian guy shows up, even though it's not Cobb's dream AND he wasn't the architect for the dream.

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I made up the whole 'job gone wrong thing'. My point is that they don't explicitly state how they got into limbo in the first place, the audience has to infer what they will.

And your 'plot hole' is explained... limbo is described as a blank space filled by whatever is put there by the dreamer and can be filled by things from another member in a shared dream. So Cobb's creations are in limbo for anyone who was sharing the dream with Cobb, such as the Asian guy. Who the architect is is irrelevant.

 

[Something Amyss]

Maybe I don't know much about literature (I should due to studying English at A-level) but I never pegged Dan Brown as a bad writer, exactly. Sure there's many better ones out there, but his books are always enjoyable.

His books enjoyable, perhaps, but they don't match the genre. There's supposed to be intrigue and plot twists, but really, he just throws shit out at the last minute.

He also reads like a romance novel. And while people may find romance novels enjoyable, it doesn't make them "not trash."

That being said, I'm not here to bust anyone's balls over liking Dan Brown.

 

[Davichu]

inception

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they start the movie off where if you die in the dream you wake up, half way through they are in a state where if they die in the dream they die for real (also his wife went to limbo from dying from a dream)

Spoiler

The sedative they all took so that they could go down to the otherwise unreachable third dream level causes their heavily sedated subconscious to go into limbo. It's like the sedative is so strong that if you die in the dream you essentially go into a coma in real life. Saito 'dies' and goes to limbo, and after Cobb confesses to Ariadne about Mal he goes down there to find him, risking having to confront Mal again.

Spoiler

then how did she get there?

Spoiler

She's part of [Character who Leonardo plays]'s subconscious.

The plot twists in MGS4. They didn't bother to explain a damned thing.

why did you reply to this (the most random twist of all).

To answer your question.

haha did not see spoiler

Spoiler

both her and Leonard went to limbo before the sedative and then left and then she killed herself. beat that.

I have no idea what you're saying.

Spoiler

In a flashback story in inception they both go to limbo, all of this unfolds before it was possible to die in the dream.

Spoiler

Mal committed suicide in real life. Whenever Cobb is in a dream, his subconscious creates visions of her. I think you've got it all muddled up.

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she committed suicide because Leonard put the idea in her head in limbo. Then how did they get to limbo w/o the drug?

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the drug was only needed for a large number of people to go inot a 3rd level dream, limbo could have been created by staying to long in the machine or by them going to far into dreams. Mal was only a constrct of Cobb's subconscience as he built her from a series of his memories, where they began to appear as if they had a life of their own. the main twist i foiund was with the totem, as we never know if its in reality, because if Cobb is building from memory his subconscience could in fact be creating gravity to make him believe he has his family back

 

[Rickyvantof]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmKHGGJwO78

The twist in this story desn't make sense.
At least you'd expect the same species to fight on the same side.

 

[Woodsey]

inception

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they start the movie off where if you die in the dream you wake up, half way through they are in a state where if they die in the dream they die for real (also his wife went to limbo from dying from a dream)

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The sedative they all took so that they could go down to the otherwise unreachable third dream level causes their heavily sedated subconscious to go into limbo. It's like the sedative is so strong that if you die in the dream you essentially go into a coma in real life. Saito 'dies' and goes to limbo, and after Cobb confesses to Ariadne about Mal he goes down there to find him, risking having to confront Mal again.

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then how did she get there?

She's a projection of Cobb's subconcious.

 

[Arkvoodle]

The Village & The Happening jump immediately to mind, thanks yet again M. Night.

 

[Phoenix09215]

Okay, all the Inception talk has made me thnk that I should probably watch that movie again...

OT: Basically every plot twist in the SAW movies besides the one in the first SAW... after the third movie things got way to ridiculous and to be completely honest, I can't even remember what the plot twists were! If you ask me the SAW franchise is a nice example of when a small time production team think up a nice idea for a movie and then milk it for all the money they can because their original idea was successful... although I can't blame them for it!

 

[Rockchimp69]

bioshock,was a great powerful moment that made absolutly no sense when you acualy stop and think about it.

What exactly didn't make sense about it? I admit it wasn't the best twist ever but that was just because I felt a bit betrayed, (even though I knew about the twist when I started playing xD).

 

[Addicted Muffin]

inception

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they start the movie off where if you die in the dream you wake up, half way through they are in a state where if they die in the dream they die for real (also his wife went to limbo from dying from a dream)

Spoiler

The sedative they all took so that they could go down to the otherwise unreachable third dream level causes their heavily sedated subconscious to go into limbo. It's like the sedative is so strong that if you die in the dream you essentially go into a coma in real life. Saito 'dies' and goes to limbo, and after Cobb confesses to Ariadne about Mal he goes down there to find him, risking having to confront Mal again.

Spoiler

then how did she get there?

Spoiler

She's part of [Character who Leonardo plays]'s subconscious.

The plot twists in MGS4. They didn't bother to explain a damned thing.

why did you reply to this (the most random twist of all).

To answer your question.

haha did not see spoiler

Spoiler

both her and Leonard went to limbo before the sedative and then left and then she killed herself. beat that.

I have no idea what you're saying.

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In a flashback story in inception they both go to limbo, all of this unfolds before it was possible to die in the dream.

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it was possible.... if you remember, they said not to copy things out of reality, because you will forget you're in a dream, and slip into limbo

 

[Ganthrinor]

Anything by M. Night Shyamalan.

Having a plot twist just to have a plot twist ISN'T A PLOT TWIST.

 

[Rockchimp69]

At the end of Black Ops,

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its apparent that Victor Reznov wasn't with you all those missions past the prison escape, as he was just a figment of your imagination due to brainwashing, which makes me wonder, how the hell did all those people get shot when we were on missions, did I shoot them? Was it someone else I was projecting Reznov on? Was it magic? None of these questions were answered at the end.

That one was so obvious I saw it coming at the start of the boat mission.

 

[Terminate421]

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Modern Warfare 2's betrayal

Seriously? I did my job and I get shot for it? Not to mention that we're on the same goddamn side?

 

[Truehare]

OT: I was going to mention the ending of Lost, but it wasn't really nonsensical, only unsatisfying.

Spoiler: If you want to know why...

They kind of went for that old "they are all in the afterlife" cliché, even if only to explain the supposedly "alternate" timeline. I found that explanation unsatisfying because it wasn't related to the unique properties of the island; it is something that apparently happens to everyone after they die, not only to those special people.

That was a cliche? how? what other show/movie was INSANE enough to have done that before? i thought it was great, the ending. considering how many million loose ends that show had, they did a fair job. it wasn't perfect, but it was good.

Hey, I didn't say it was bad, only unsatisfying. While I agree it fits the story perfectly, I was expecting something more related to the Island, that's all. As far as we know from information on the show,

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that kind of "reconciling" is what happens to everyone after they die, it wasn't a unique experience for the main characters.

That's my only gripe with it.

As for the "cliche" thing, maybe I went too far, but the idea was certainly used many times before.

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Jacob's Ladder

is the first example that comes to mind, I hope you have already watched that movie so I didn't spoil it for you; If you haven't, go watch it anyway, it's awesome. I simply expected something more original from a show that had never failed to be original before.

But I still like how

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they played with the very first theory that came out during the first season to explain what was really happening, and the first one to be debunked...

I can't deny, they did what we were least expecting them to do.

EDIT: If anyone out there needs further reason to watch the movie I mentioned in the second spoiler, it was one of the main sources of inspiration for the first Silent Hill...

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

Hey, I didn't say it was bad, only unsatisfying. While I agree it fits the story perfectly, I was expecting something more related to the Island, that's all. As far as we know from information on the show,

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that kind of "reconciling" is what happens to everyone after they die, it wasn't a unique experience for the main characters.

That's my only gripe with it.

As for the "cliche" thing, maybe I went too far, but the idea was certainly used many times before.

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Jacob's Ladder

is the first example that comes to mind, I hope you have already watched that movie so I didn't spoil it for you; If you haven't, go watch it anyway, it's awesome. I simply expected something more original from a show that had never failed to be original before.

But I still like how

Spoiler

they played with the very first theory that came out during the first season to explain what was really happening, and the first one to be debunked...

I can't deny, they did what we were least expecting them to do.

EDIT: If anyone out there needs further reason to watch the movie I mentioned in the second spoiler, it was one of the main sources of inspiration for the first Silent Hill...

Yeah i see what you mean, and i can get behind that. I haven't seen Jacob's Ladder, but i will definitely look into it.
Also, i don't get which "theory" you're referring to in the last spoiler tag. It's been a LONG time since I've watched the last season, let alone the first. (this year felt like a decade to me)

 

[Sneeze]

Spoiler: Burn After Reading

The entire movie is spent with George Cloony's character being followed by who he suspects are agents for the government, turns out his wife is trying to file for divorce and hired a private investigator to see if he can find anything incriminating about Cloony.

Brad Pitt's character finds a disc containing a retired government official's bank accounts that his wife is using to take all his money in the divorce, and thinks that it is some super secret information drop by the CIA. While trying to find additional information to sell to the Russian Embassy, he is killed by George Cloony, who still believes he is being tailed by the CIA/FBI and assumes him to be a spy (this is in the middle of the movie).

The CIA is actually monitoring Brad Pitt and George Cloony, as well as the man whose bank information is unwittingly stolen by Brad Pitt. The CIA is actually trying to make sense of it all and the movie ends with them all confused as to what happened. The ironic twist is that the entire movie is spent with the main characters thinking that they are being watched by the CIA and are doing some sinister shit, only for them to not have any clue as to what the hell is going on, similarly to me trying to make sense of this (funny) movie.

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I think the whole nonsensical thing is pretty much the entire point of the film. It's what made it so hilarious for me, anyway.

Twas an incredibly clever film I understand absolutely none of it (and the bum review on TGWTG.com only makes things worse) but it actually took the piss out of itself for being hard to follow, thats dedication.


Also, to any brits out there (or savvy Americans), anyone seen Misfits?

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Future Simon going back in time to tell past Simon that Nathan is still alive. Don't even get me started on how that comes about...

 

[LunaSocks]

Ok, this twist is in an online short by Rooster Teeth. The Noted to Death short. At the ending, Matt shoots Joel because Matt panicked because Joel was stalking him to give him notes on the short they were editing, even though the short was already finished. Well at the end, Joel is shot by Matt out of panic, and Joel tells Matt the short should have a scene where the characters reconcile, then Joel dies. Matt says he'll re-shoot the toon, looks down at Joel's body, and the body isn't there. Instead Joel is sitting on the counte behind Joel, says the short should also have a twist ending, then twists Matt's neck until it snaps. That made ABSOLUTELY no sense whatsoever, and wasn't even funny.

 

[thevillageidiot13]

Spoiler: KOTOR

Even though it made sense and everything, Knights of the Old Republic, when you find out that you're Revan.

It felt like too much of a stretch.

Spoiler tags dont feel like much of a stretch either.

My bad. I never figured out how to do those. But looking at this quotation, now I do.