OT: I was going to mention the ending of Lost, but it wasn't really nonsensical, only unsatisfying.
They kind of went for that old "they are all in the afterlife" cliché, even if only to explain the supposedly "alternate" timeline. I found that explanation unsatisfying because it wasn't related to the unique properties of the island; it is something that apparently happens to everyone after they die, not only to those special people.
That was a cliche? how? what other show/movie was INSANE enough to have done that before? i thought it was great, the ending. considering how many million loose ends that show had, they did a fair job. it wasn't perfect, but it was good.
OT: I was gonna say Modern Warfare 2, but then realized that "making sense" wasn't one of it's priorities anyway.
So.........Mass Effect 2
Ok, so you waste the obligatory "big Twist" to show that the collectors have been making making a human-reaper, instead of something that would have actually helped the plot along, (like, say a WAY FOR THE REAPERS TO COME)..... that's fine, it's more shocking or whatever.
But at least explain WHY it's there? or why it's human-shaped and not Turian or asari? or what the PLAN is? don't just say "ZOMG HUMAN-REAPER! KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!"
Not cool Bioware. Your can do better than that.
BioWare did explain it, you should of investigated during the conversion at that point in the story. It's not Turian, Asari or any other because their species isn't suitable enough to become a Reaper for reasons which you can occasionally hear Harbinger say when fighting him. EDI speculates it's human shaped because Reapers like to do that on a skeletal level when they create a new Reaper.
I know this is a thread with spoilers and I said the exact same thing today in a thread like this but some spoiler tags on some people's posts or atleast saying the name of whatever you are talking about before mentioning the spoiler. Fortunately I was able to skip over twists I didn't know about.
OT: The whole of The Game was a bit what the fuck. I don't know how popular it is nor do I know if it well received but I though it was a good movie but way too many twists.
they start the movie off where if you die in the dream you wake up, half way through they are in a state where if they die in the dream they die for real (also his wife went to limbo from dying from a dream)
Clearly you didnt pay attention very well and need to watch the movie again
Half way in when they enter the hostile dream world the reason they need to avoid dieing is because they've used such a powerful sedative that dieing wouldnt wake them up. They would just go to limbo, which is an easy way of saying they would be a drooling braindead shell of their former self for the rest of their life. Also, Cobb's wife killed herself in real life thinking it was only a dream. Mal in the dream world is just Cobb's mentally projected memories of her, and he's gotten so many issues over the years from using extraction that he cant control Mal anymore. Make better sense now?
all I have to say is I was proven wrong, 20 times.. I succeed.
EDIT: apparently if I succeed I get 3 more replies telling me what is going on. ironic isn't it?
(3 of them there but not if i run away)
OT: I was going to mention the ending of Lost, but it wasn't really nonsensical, only unsatisfying.
They kind of went for that old "they are all in the afterlife" cliché, even if only to explain the supposedly "alternate" timeline. I found that explanation unsatisfying because it wasn't related to the unique properties of the island; it is something that apparently happens to everyone after they die, not only to those special people.
That was a cliche? how? what other show/movie was INSANE enough to have done that before? i thought it was great, the ending. considering how many million loose ends that show had, they did a fair job. it wasn't perfect, but it was good.
The thing that made it cliche for me was that British police drama series Ashes To Ashes done exactly the same twist ending mere days before Lost finished.
Also, I agree in retrospect about the millions of loose ends, but at the time I was left somewhat deflated.
Later on in the movie, it's not that they die in real-life, it's that they end up in limbo, which is basically close enough to dying in real-life. Their minds would be lost and there would be no getting them back. Both Cobb and his wife lived in that limbo, and they killed themselves to get out of it (I believe they were able to do this because they weren't completely lost, in a sense--they still had their totems, so they still had a tie to reality). That asian guy did end up in limbo if I remember correctly, but Cobb ended up saving him. The old asian guy that Cobb comes across at the end is the asian guy's mind caught in limbo, and so Cobb rescues him.
But when they came back, Cobb's wife began to doubt reality. She began to think that she was still in the dream, and that she needed to die to get back to reality. So she killed herself and made it to where Cobb would have to kill himself too to avoid imprisonment.
Ending up in limbo occurs because of the power of the sedative they are under. The sleep was so deep that death wouldn't wake them up--it would just send their mind into the abyss. Mental death, in a way.
The countless plot twists that involve a character being dead/a figment of somebody elses' imagination in which the ectoplasmic figure can INTERACT WITH THE WORLD HE INHABITS.
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Later on in the movie, it's not that they die in real-life, it's that they end up in limbo, which is basically close enough to dying in real-life. Their minds would be lost and there would be no getting them back. Both Cobb and his wife lived in that limbo, and they killed themselves to get out of it (I believe they were able to do this because they weren't completely lost, in a sense--they still had their totems, so they still had a tie to reality). That asian guy did end up in limbo if I remember correctly, but Cobb ended up saving him. The old asian guy that Cobb comes across at the end is the asian guy's mind caught in limbo, and so Cobb rescues him.
But when they came back, Cobb's wife began to doubt reality. She began to think that she was still in the dream, and that she needed to die to get back to reality. So she killed herself and made it to where Cobb would have to kill himself too to avoid imprisonment.
Ending up in limbo occurs because of the power of the sedative they are under. The sleep was so deep that death wouldn't wake them up--it would just send their mind into the abyss. Mental death, in a way.
Stuck in a dream so deep they don't even realize they're dreaming anymore. Just stuck in an endless abyss with no past and no future, completely unable to find a way to get out--or even be knkow that there is an "out."
In other news, I don't quite get the ending of Tangled.
Flynn cuts her hair before letting her heal him. What would have been so bad about waiting a few seconds for her to heal him? I can understand the risk of her being pulled away by the bad lady, but he could have just grabbed her hair real fast and hacked it then. There was absolutely no benefit to cutting her hair at that point.
they start the movie off where if you die in the dream you wake up, half way through they are in a state where if they die in the dream they die for real (also his wife went to limbo from dying from a dream)
No, no, you didn't pay close enough attention to that one. The issue wasn't that if they died in the dream they'd die for real, it was the issue that they'd be sent to limbo and that would prevent them from finishing the mission, and if they didn't finish the mission, when the plane landed, DiCaprio's character would not make it through security. So, they were avoiding the death because of limbo, but because they were scared for their life.
Read Dan Brown's The Lost Symbol just recently. The ending pretty much makes the whole foregoing 600 pages unnecessary.
Seriously? People allowed themselves to be tortured and arrested and allowed others to be murdered and nearly murdered to protect the secret that is THE FUCKING BIBLE?
Well, I thought that was the whole point and why the Freemasons were kinda being nonchalantly about the whole thing. I mean, yeah, they liked their secrets kept secret, but they didn't seem to be pulling out all the stops. It was everyone else that were freaking the fuck out.
they start the movie off where if you die in the dream you wake up, half way through they are in a state where if they die in the dream they die for real (also his wife went to limbo from dying from a dream)
That's because they were all under a sedative to make sure they would stay asleep enough to reach a third layer of dreams without waking up.
Because the sedative makes it so you can't wake up, dream death sends you into the deepest dream level, limbo. It's not "dying for real", it's just that because dream time is longer than real time, you can be stuck in limbo for a very, very long time, even if it's only like an hour in the real world. That time can make people go pretty crazy, even making them forget they're dreaming. Like what happened to Cobb's wife.
I know it's complex, but just pay attention. Miss a detail, the whole movie gets kinda wonky.
There was this one Michael Bay produced movie called Horsemen, it was straight to DVD and...
You know what...that sentence alone tells you how bad the twist is, and the movie in general. Just look up the twist and you'll see what I mean, just don't see the movie...at all costs.
There was this one Michael Bay produced movie called Horsemen, it was straight to DVD and...
You know what...that sentence alone tells you how bad the twist is, and the movie in general. Just look up the twist and you'll see what I mean, just don't see the movie...at all costs.
He had you set up from the beginning. Technically, you're on the side of "Special Ops Team working to stop terrorists and prevent global war" and he's on the side of "Start global war with Russia to usher in a new age of American Militarism"
Read Dan Brown's The Lost Symbol just recently. The ending pretty much makes the whole foregoing 600 pages unnecessary.
Seriously? People allowed themselves to be tortured and arrested and allowed others to be murdered and nearly murdered to protect the secret that is THE FUCKING BIBLE?
It's even less than the bible, but it doesn't really matter. The point is that everyone was looking for some big grand secret, but the secret's really all in just opening your eyes. I think he even calls it a quest for enlightenment somewhere in the book.
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