U.K. Politician Using Oslo Shooting to Change Ratings

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Old men without the understanding of new generation lifestyle trying to legislate what he doesn't understand. What else is new? It won't last anyway.

 

[Twilight_guy]

So you're going to trust the guy who's clearly nutty as a fruitcake to give you factual evidence? What if he said that magical fairies trained him to use guns, would you use that to declare war on fairy-world? The guy is unstable. If you can show that there some sort of link or training going on, then you'd have a point but just because a crazed killer says video games helped him does not mean you have good evidence. (Also, when it comes to theorists, is he pushing for a war on god since god told them to do it?)

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

So you're going to trust the guy who's clearly nutty as a fruitcake to give you factual evidence? What if he said that magical fairies trained him to use guns, would you use that to declare war on fairy-world? The guy is unstable. If you can show that there some sort of link or training going on, then you'd have a point but just because a crazed killer says video games helped him does not mean you have good evidence. (Also, when it comes to theorists, is he pushing for a war on god since god told them to do it?)

Politics isn't about facts. It's about convincing people that your stupid agenda is the right thing, using any means at your disposal. Twisting facts and words is quite common.

 

[Twilight_guy]

So you're going to trust the guy who's clearly nutty as a fruitcake to give you factual evidence? What if he said that magical fairies trained him to use guns, would you use that to declare war on fairy-world? The guy is unstable. If you can show that there some sort of link or training going on, then you'd have a point but just because a crazed killer says video games helped him does not mean you have good evidence. (Also, when it comes to theorists, is he pushing for a war on god since god told them to do it?)

Politics isn't about facts. It's about convincing people that your stupid agenda is the right thing.

And discussion on this board is about (in theory) using logic to make good arguments and point out flawed logic, which I did. Yes, I know politics is a business of popularity and dirty tricks but its goal is to not be.

 

[Autofaux]

I'm disturbed that Breivik used a toothbrush. People should therefore require a licence to use a toothbrush.

 

[Gerishnakov]

Oh for fuck's sake. When did my country decide to regress to the fucking Dark Ages?

... oh right, that election thing.

Forgive this ignorant Yank, but are the conservatives in power currently?

Yeah I'm not sure what Loop Stricken was on about. Keith Vaz has been plying his bullshit as an MP since 1987, long before the coalition government was formed.

 

[devotedsniper]

I need to move from the UK...if only i had the money and a knew how to speak a different language. All i have to say on this matter was that crazy guy brevik is in his thirties, it's won't make a difference changing the age ratings if someone as unstable as him decides to "train" off games.

 

[Cheeseman Muncher]

Keith Vaz is an idiot. -_- Rather than carefully considering the vast body of evidence showing no link between video games and an increase in real life violence, he just knee-jerks over the ramblings of a deranged psychopath.

Bloody Daily Mail readers.

 

[MammothBlade]

What a tit. Maybe we should put a rating on parliamentarians. In this case, Keith Vaz is rated R for Retarded.

That game did not make Breivik who he is and it did not make him a killer. The fact that he is schizophrenic made him who he is and that's what made him a killer. It's as simple as that.

It's not a fact that he has schizophrenia, nor is it that simple. I'm more inclined to think, and more recent evaluations have suggested, that he is a sociopathic and malignant narcissist who went to extremes to fulfill his fantasies of glory and fame. That, and schizophrenic people are not born killers.

 

[Screamarie]

What a tit. Maybe we should put a rating on parliamentarians. In this case, Keith Vaz is rated R for Retarded.

That game did not make Breivik who he is and it did not make him a killer. The fact that he is schizophrenic made him who he is and that's what made him a killer. It's as simple as that.

It's not a fact that he has schizophrenia, nor is it that simple. I'm more inclined to think, and more recent evaluations have suggested, that he is a sociopathic and malignant narcissist who went to extremes to fulfill his fantasies of glory and fame. That, and schizophrenic people are not born killers.

I haven't kept up with what they've been saying about him or his mental illnesses, last I had heard they were calling him schizophrenic.

I admit my wording is off, but I never intended my statement to mean that being schizophrenic means you are are killer. Just that it can aide in making someone a killer. More my point was simply that the shooting happened because of his own personal mental issues than anything the game could have supposedly taught him.

 

[Frission]

You know he's completely missing the point, that the shooter was an insane right wing demagogue.

 

[Legion]

I heard that the Romans got the idea for their Coliseum's from violent video games.

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

*looks at link*

"Total number of signatures: 8"

Out of 650 MPs. Yeah, not many people really taking this guy seriously. It is quite sad what people will use to try and further their own agendas though.

 

[Zipa]

Not this prick again, at least he is a opposition back bencher so no one gives a shit what he has to say anyway.

 

[Callate]

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That's true. But on the other hand, there's far more violence associated with soccer fandom than there is with playing violent video games, yet there doesn't seem to be a queue to suggest that there should be more regulations of soccer fandom, that children should be kept away from soccer stadiums, that soccer might be leading to the degeneration of youth morality.

It was a ridiculous point meant to address what is also a ridiculous point, and highlight the fact that the "problem" Mr. Vaz wishes to address seems like it has more to do with playing to hysteria and techno-phobia to the cost of a voting block seen as negligible and less likely to respond than actually addressing violence.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

So does that mean I can drive because I played Heat online or Need for Speed and that because of Armoured Core I am qualified to operate heavy machinery? I can see why people who are out of touch make these connections but if they ever tried these games and then a real gun they would see how far off their statements are.

Spoiler: Air Rifle

If CoD can't even teach people to use one of these right what hope does it have of teach people how to use real guns with recoil. Even excluding the point that you need to have a certain something to actually kill someone let alone just shoot the damn thing straight.

Although I am glad there was a lack of signatures.