U.S. bans flavored cigarettes

[Housebroken Lunatic]

You can't think of ONE good reason to smoke in the first place can you?

You can't actually justify your bad habit can you?

Didn't think so.

I can give it a shot.

Smoking tobacco gives you a dosage of nicotine, which is a stimulating drug. Also some types of smoked tobacco has flavour addatives (like cigars and flavoured cigarettes) making it a pleasurable experience (just like eating candy).

Which means that smoking has just as viable reasons behind it as drinking alcoholic beverages, eating candy/chocolate, drinking coffee and/or tea, having sex without the purpose of procreation etc. etc.

If you do ANY of these I've mentioned then you have effectively forfeited the right of complaining about the habits of smokers. Their reasons to smoke is just as good as your reason for eating candy or drinking coffee.

 

[LeonLethality]

heh heh good thing US bans dont often effect canada so violent games shouldnt have me worried

 

[Ninja_X]

You can't think of ONE good reason to smoke in the first place can you?

You can't actually justify your bad habit can you?

Didn't think so.

I can give it a shot.

Smoking tobacco gives you a dosage of nicotine, which is a stimulating drug. Also some types of smoked tobacco has flavour addatives (like cigars and flavoured cigarettes) making it a pleasurable experience (just like eating candy).

Which means that smoking has just as viable reasons behind it as drinking alcoholic beverages, eating candy/chocolate, drinking coffee and/or tea, having sex without the purpose of procreation etc. etc.

If you do ANY of these I've mentioned then you have effectively forfeited the right of complaining about the habits of smokers. Their reasons to smoke is just as good as your reason for eating candy or drinking coffee.

Seriously, did you just try comparing cigarettes to coffee and sex?

Coffee and sex don't kill you anyware near as quick as cigarettes do. Coffee doesn't have poison in it. Coffee and sex don't negativity effect anyone around you like secondhand smoke does. They don't give you or anyone around you cancer, don't even try to pretend they are the same thing.

Alcohol is bad too, but I don't drink. For basically the same reason I don't smoke. Because poisin for a drug high isn't a fair trade unless you are retarded, or a pathetic loser.

"I inhale poison because there is nicotine in it!!!"-do you listen to yourself?

And for the second hand smoke, well that's a valid point but you can't ban something because a small percentage of people are irresponsible

Ok this is a valid point, I take back what I said about making it illegal. As long as the secondhand smoke isn't killing anyone. Maby it should just be a crime to smoke around your kids or something.

But I maintain that smokers must be stupid to think smoking is a good way to "feel good". There are allot of less poisonous ways to ease stress and feel alright.

 

[cobra_ky]

what, you don't like the taste of tar and cancer?

also, screw free trade. seems that has become the buzz word lately and i am sick of it. It just gets thrown around by self styling anarchist and right wing nuts trying to appeal to people with an exaggerated sense of liberty.

i'm a left wing nut, thank you. i'd rather the government use our time and money to address more important matters, like the economy, health care, and gay rights.

 

[Kiutu]

i try to keep up on political news, but a friend linked this to me, and i'm amazed no one seems to be talking about it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/23/health/policy/23fda.html

i'm surprisingly furious at this. i'm not a regular smoker, and i'm completely in favor of taxes on tobacco and public smoking bans, but this makes no sense from a public health standpoint and pointlessly restrains free trade. it also bothers that the federal government is trying to raise our children for us; i'm afraid a ban on violent games is next. Or maybe the FDA will require all liquor to taste terrible, so they won't be as appealing to kids?

Wow, really? I guess you hate laws against people raping your kids too? They SHOULD make alcohol (universally, since it already tastes awful) taste bad if it will make people stop drinking it.
Smoking should be gone. Just banning it wont really work, but smoking should not really be accepted, only tolerated until removing it can be achieved.

Where the hell do they breed people like this? Why should anyone stop drinking booze? Why? Just because you and other like minded people like you dislike drinking?

Also, what in the hell does raping kids have the slightest bit in common with teens smoking? That is just an insane leap of logic.

Smoking should just be "removed"? Why? Again, just because people like you dislike it? You people are such control freaks it is crazy. People will never stop doing drugs. People will never stop drinking. People will never stop smoking. To try and get rid of any of these things is a futile effort. You insane ideas will never be achieved.

Prohibition was an utter failure. Prohibition of against drugs is also an utter failure. If you actually think Prohibition against cigarettes is going to work I have a bridge to sell you in the Mojave desert next to ocean side property.

So give it up all you control freaks. You just can't win, ever.

Can we just ban smoking outright already? People have already proved time and time again that they are not intelligent enough to not do something that will kill them, so we should ban it so everyone else doesn't have to pay for their health care when they get cancer.

See my post above. Get the point? If not read it again.

Cigarettes are evil and smokers should pay high taxes for their filthy habit.

I'm of the opinion that it should be outright illegal.

and that sir, makes you a fascist

Yes it does. But these people think that they can control the lives of people. It will never work. But they keep thinking it will.

If we dont win, we fucking die. Because you are a fool WE suffer. I dont like smoking, because ITS KILLING ME. I dont like alchohol cause it KILLS people. You are honestly just a idiot. I mean, really, I dont know any other way you could think this. I mean, even most smokers realise how this physically harms people. If smoking was completly illegal, what would happen? YOU would suffer for YOUR own faults. If we dont, we around you suffer cause you want to kill yourself slowly instead of just ending it with a gun shot.

I dont care if I get in trouble for this, really, there is so much more I want to say, but whatever. I could never write out as much hate as I have for you. Though, since you are an advocate of murder, you deserve every bit. Smoking kills everyone, not just you.

 

[MelziGurl]

Why does the world need flavoured cigarettes? WHHHHYYY?! It's sick if the idea is to drag people into the filthy habit by making them 'tastier'. And if I read correctly, someone compared it to coffee and sex...*facepalm*

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

Seriously, did you just try comparing cigarettes to coffee and sex?

No, I didn't "try" comparing them, I DID compare them, and quite succesfully.

Coffee and sex don't kill you anyware near as quick as cigarettes do.

Funny, since when is it a cemented fact that cigarettes kill? While it has been scientifically established that cigarettes can increase the chances of dying before one has fulfilled ones average lifetime, it is NO guarantee what so ever that they WILL kill you.

No if you want to call people stupid because they want to take their chances with cigarettes, then that's your prerogative. But their reasons for smoking is still equally viable as drinking coffee, there is no escaping that fact.

Coffee doesn't have poison in it. Coffee and sex don't negativity effect anyone around you like secondhand smoke does. They don't give you or anyone around you cancer, don't even try to pretend they are the same thing.

I haven't pretended anything. Im just saying that the reasons behind choosing to smoke is just as viable as choosing to fuck or choosing to drink. Sure an apt comparison might be fucking but without a condom, or drinking really strong liquor in really large quantities, but it doesn't validate nor invalidates the reason behind any of these activities.

Also, it has still to be established that the occasionally second hand smoke is any more "deadly" than the occasional breathing of exhaust fumes from cars, so your point is moot in that regard.

Alcohol is bad too, but I don't drink. For basically the same reason I don't smoke. Because poisin for a drug high isn't a fair trade unless you are retarded, or a pathetic loser.

Dude, you couldn't even begin to imagine all the poisonous substances you consume every single day in order to either gain nourishment or a pleasurable experience.

Just go over the stuff in your fridge and other food storage and check up on some of the ingredients and exactly how these ingredients can affect your health and you'll see for yourself. So get of your high horses, least you'll start becoming quite the class act in hypocrisy.

"I inhale poison because there is nicotine in it!!!"-do you listen to yourself?

Oh yes I do. The thing is, im just a bit better informed about the poisons and potentially harmful substances we humans ingest each and every day than you are.

Now you might think im quite smug and arrogant for saying that, and you know what? That's completely true. I am smug and arrogant, but im also right. Which makes it all the more fun for me. The question is if you'll let that stand in the way of questioning the politically correct propaganda bullshit about smoking which you've consumed for quite some time, or if you're gonna keep sticking your head in the sand merely because my arrogant response.

I'll leave that completely up to your discretion...

 

[Horticulture]

You can't think of a comeback because I'm right more like it.

You can't think of ONE good reason to smoke in the first place can you?

You can't actually justify your bad habit can you?

Didn't think so.

There should be a Special Olympics debate category so that we can give you an honorable mention.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

There should be a Special Olympics debate category so that we can give you an honorable mention.

You know what they say:

Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win you're still retarded...

 

[IGDetail]

I work very closely with this industry. I was at a related conference when this was announced. Distributors were given just a few weeks to clear flavored products from shelves and many are caught with a lot of expensive inventory. The bill is so unclear as to what products they're talking about that cigar manufacturers and paper companies are worried. The industry is so heavily taxed that this is just another notch to get rid of it altogether.

 

[Ninja_X]

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Your entire argument here seems to be that smoking isn't so bad because you'll die anyway?

Fine, be that way. Die and take your pessimism with you if thats how you really feel. Good think everyone doesn't share your stupid "I don't care about myself" attitude. You still have yet to justify smoking in the first place. Its still incredibly stupid to get cancer in exchange for a drug high. Especially since most of us can find ways to be happy without killing ourselves with cigarets.

Also, I know full well what most other things do to your body thank you very much(you are not more well informed than me I do the research too), most of those things still aren't as bad as smoking. Also, you seem to just assume allot about me that you cannot possibly know. You assume I do coffee and drink because why? I never started to defend coffee or alcohol, so those are irrelevant points.

Other things may also be bad for you, but I don't need to justify them. This thread is about smoking so I am only gonna condemn smoking here. Also its not just you you are killing, you pollute the air with smoke fumes and stupid.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

It goes against the grains of my moral fibres in answering you here, but I'll do it anyway:

Your entire argument here seems to be that smoking isn't so bad because you'll die anyway?

Oh that was SO not my point. *sigh*

Fine, be that way. Die and take your pessimism with you if thats how you really feel. Good think everyone doesn't share your stupid "I don't care about myself" attitude.

Now you're just being ridiculous. But I guess the only way for you to hold a debate is by making stuff up about your opponents when the going gets rough. You clever, clever person you...

You still have yet to justify smoking in the first place.

How about the individual liberty, which is a liberty quite justly enforced in most civilized countries? If you live in a free democracy, then infringing on someones right to smoke, drink or fuck without profylactics is certainly not in the best interest of that country.

I live in one such country, and most of the smokers im refering to do the same. Therefore YOU are the one who's obligated to justify why we should toss liberty out the window just because you don't like the smell of tobacco smoke.

So, I'll invoke individual liberty in justifying smoking. Let's see if you can come up with something that beats that (I doubt you will be able to though).

Its still incredibly stupid to get cancer in exchange for a drug high. Especially since most of us can find ways to be happy without killing ourselves with cigarets.

The keyword here is "MOST" of us. What "most" of us can do isn't relevant at all when it comes to individual responsibility. Just because most of us can be happy with eating tofu or whatever (although I certainly don't belong to thast group), we have no right to ban eating meat for others.

Whether smoking is stupid, well, that's debateable. But last time I checked, it is hardly ideal to forbid people from being stupid if they choose to, at least not in a country claiming to be a free democratic state.

Also, I know full well what most other things do to your body thank you very much(you are not more well informed than me I do the research too), most of those things still aren't as bad as smoking.

Clearly I am more well informed than you. And I doubt you've made much in the way of research your entire life. If you were the least bit scientific in your argumentation you would have responded differently. Reading the surgeon generals warning is not the same thing as "having done research" you know...

Also, you seem to just assume allot about me that you cannot possibly know. You assume I do coffee and drink because why? I never started to defend coffee or alcohol, so those are irrelevant points.

No I didn't really assume anything. You did that to me however (remember the rant about me being pessimistic a few lines up?), so you can't really claim any moral high ground here.

But because you're human and live in a country where computers obviously exist, im quite positive that something in your lifestyle is harmful to your health. It's not something you can choose to escape from. Either you can take my word for it, or you can go ahead and give me a full and detailed documentation of your complete lifestyle and I'll be happy to point out all the things that are harmful to your health.

Or you could grow up a little and stop entertaining an eternal life fantasy and just accept the fact that keeping yourself away from smoking will not save you from dying, and maybe JUST MAYBE you'll find some fucking sympathy to people who choose to smoke.

Other things may also be bad for you, but I don't need to justify them.

Wow, that's fair. You demand of everyone else to come up with justifications (which they have done several times over, and these justifications have been several times more sound and reasonable than any of the shit you've written in this thread), but you can't even bother to repay the favor?

Aren't you the hypocrite...

This thread is about smoking so I am only gonna condemn smoking here.

Yeah, we can see that you do. The discussion would be a bit more interesting if you kept down all the condemnation and actually tried discussing the subject LIKE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO in a thread like this.

Also its not just you you are killing, you pollute the air with smoke fumes and stupid.

Clearly you have completely swallowed a load of politically correct propaganda, effectively making you less respecatble than a crackwhore giving a john a blowjob.

As for stupididty, I used to think it wasn't contagious, but I could be wrong. I can almost feel my intelligence declining the more I speak with you. And that's quite a feat on your part. But sadly I'll have to ask you grow a bit smarter if you wish to continue discussing the subject with me at all. Otherwise you give me no other choice than to disregard you as just another politically correct blowhard, and a complete waste of time...

 

[Skratt]

i try to keep up on political news, but a friend linked this to me, and i'm amazed no one seems to be talking about it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/23/health/policy/23fda.html

i'm surprisingly furious at this. i'm not a regular smoker, and i'm completely in favor of taxes on tobacco and public smoking bans, but this makes no sense from a public health standpoint and pointlessly restrains free trade. it also bothers that the federal government is trying to raise our children for us; i'm afraid a ban on violent games is next. Or maybe the FDA will require all liquor to taste terrible, so they won't be as appealing to kids?

Somebody has to stay healthy to pay for our new healthcare system they are building...

 

[Ninja_X]

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Now you are just being stupid.

You fail to come up with any actual response, you assume you know better than me when you don't, I am discussing the subject. the same subject you seem to just be avoiding, smoking gives you cancer and kills you in exchange for a small drug high (that is worth it how?), you assume that smoking being related to cancer is just "government propaganda" even though its true. and you have reduced yourself to nothing more than half assed ranting.

Good day, you obviously lost the ability to think somewhere along the line here, you aren't even worth talking to now.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

Now you are just being stupid.

You fail to come up with any actual response, you assume you know better than me when you don't, I am discussing the subject. the same subject you seem to just be avoiding, smoking gives you cancer and kills you in exchange for a small drug high (that is worth it how?), you assume that smoking being related to cancer is just "government propaganda" even though its true. and you have reduced yourself to nothing more than half assed ranting.

Good day, you obviously lost the ability to think somewhere along the line here, you aren't even worth talking to now.

And you're nothing short of a liar.

I guess it's easier for you to simply make up what people say to you instead of listening, and then go calling them stupid. It let's you refrain from actually using the pathetically small amount of grey matter which you should have between your ears.

But don't worry, im not bothered by opinions of me held by even the smartest of people, so your opinion of me will hardly make me lose any sleep.

Have a fun life of denial, you politically correct, ignorant controlfreak. : )

 

[Ninja_X]

Now you are just being stupid.

You fail to come up with any actual response, you assume you know better than me when you don't, I am discussing the subject. the same subject you seem to just be avoiding, smoking gives you cancer and kills you in exchange for a small drug high (that is worth it how?), you assume that smoking being related to cancer is just "government propaganda" even though its true. and you have reduced yourself to nothing more than half assed ranting.

Good day, you obviously lost the ability to think somewhere along the line here, you aren't even worth talking to now.

And you're nothing short of a liar.

I guess it's easier for you to simply make up what people say to you instead of listening, and then go calling them stupid. It let's you refrain from actually using the pathetically small amount of grey matter which you should have between your ears.

But don't worry, im not bothered by opinions of me held by even the smartest of people, so your opinion of me will hardly make me lose any sleep.

Have a fun life of denial, you politically correct, ignorant controlfreak. : )

Keep up the denial yourself, your not gonna listen to me or answer the question.

The facts are in favor of me living longer(statistically), so I get to laugh at your grave.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

The facts are in favor of me living longer(statistically), so I get to laugh at your grave.

Considering the fact that Ozzy Osbourne AND Keith Richards are still alive, but guys like Jim Fixx dies of heartattacks way before their prime, pretty much disprove of your so called "facts".

Oh and then theres the fact that im not a habitual smoker myself, and then there's the fact that lung cancer isn't something people in my family are genetically predisposed to get, so I could actually smoke a lot more and still not die from it.

But I wouldn't expect a living, breathing proof would persuade you from your anti-intellectual ways, being the moron you are...

 

[GonzoGamer]

Yea.
I've been buying up cloves all week. I love Dijarums.