U.S. bans flavored cigarettes

[cobra_ky]

that's how we know that marijuana smoke isn't as addictive or carcinogenic as tobacco.

Not entirely true. Marijuana smoke is in no way safer than cigarette smoke. In fact, new studies are showing that it can be just as damaging, if not more damaging.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090615095940.htm

http://www.drugscience.org/Petition/C2B.html

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/content/update/NWS_1_1xU_Experts__Pot_Smoking_Is_Not_Best_Choice_to_Treat_Chemo_Side_Effects.asp

http://www.insidescience.org/research/marijuana_smoke_damages_cells

http://ihealthbulletin.com/blog/2009/06/17/marijuana-smoke-damages-human-dna/

i didn't say it was necessarily safer, i said it wasn't as addictive and less likely to cause cancer; i should have been more specific and said lung cancer, which <a href=http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20060523/pot-smoking-not-linked-to-lung-cancer>this study found was not related to smoking cannabis.

though i see now that some more recent studies have found that smoking pot may increase the risk of certain other forms of cancer, such as oral or testicular cancer.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

it's actually about the accumulation of particulate material in the rat's lungs.

Which doesn't correlate to second hand smoke.

it's a study of the long-term effects, how soon do you think they should've published?

I'm saying that taking twenty years to determine the death causes of people who have once smoked may bring up odd events (like non-smokers dying) which won't be taken account of.

and cotinine is a metabolite of nicotine.

So nicotine is in the air, but didn't you say that nicotine isn't the problem? I mean I thought it was tar that was the problem causer. Nicotine is the narcotic.

since these men claimed to be non-smokers, i'm not sure where else it would have come from.

From the cigarettes they're claiming not to take? I gave up four months ago and I still have the occasional draw on one.

So, the people who install air freshening equipment aren't biased for something that may massively increase their workload?

you think they wouldn't want to sell restaurants on all sorts of fancy air filtration systems, if any of them would work?

Not if they could just sell them the cheap ones and charge the fancy price. Without the lingering smell of smoke, it's really easy to pass a substandard one off. Which is incidentally what nightclubs found directly afterwards. It was the tobacco smell that was masking the smell of urine, sweat and stale beer. The added expense almost sunk a number of clubs.

You aren't allowed to dump poison into lakes,

Doesn't stop certain companies doing it

so why should we let you smokers poison the air?

Same reason we let drivers do it?

Besides the fact that some people find sucking poison "relaxing" you name one good thing smokeing does for you.

Calms us down when having to deal with anti-smokers?

 

[tsb247]

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I think the general concensus is that smoking plants is not particularly good for people... Even if it is fun at times.

Having said that, I will miss my expensive flavored cigars that will undoubtedly be targeted next.

 

[Parallel Streaks]

Cigarettes are evil and smokers should pay high taxes for their filthy habit.

I'm of the opinion that it should be outright illegal.

To rehabilitate smokers and separate them from the good pure non-smokers, like I dunno, sending them to a CAMP where they can CONCENTRATE on quitting smoking?

But seriously, that was a bit of an over-reaction. They can be very destructive when smoked in large numbers, but people like me who smoke one a day in my back-garden when there's nobody else around aren't fit for banning forever. It's stress relief.

On topic: That's a bit silly.

Smoking poisons the air with secondhand smoke that others have to deal with.

Nothing stops a smoker from smoking constantly around their kids and giving them lung cancer.

But you wanna keep your filthy habit because it makes YOU feel better? There is allot more bad to smoking than good.

I don't have kids, live on my own in a detached house, and do it at the end of my garden. I can't really identify with your accusations if they don't apply to me.

And let's stop calling the habit "filthy", who are you to judge me? You don't even know me.

it's actually about the accumulation of particulate material in the rat's lungs.

Which doesn't correlate to second hand smoke.

it's a study of the long-term effects, how soon do you think they should've published?

I'm saying that taking twenty years to determine the death causes of people who have once smoked may bring up odd events (like non-smokers dying) which won't be taken account of.

and cotinine is a metabolite of nicotine.

So nicotine is in the air, but didn't you say that nicotine isn't the problem? I mean I thought it was tar that was the problem causer. Nicotine is the narcotic.

since these men claimed to be non-smokers, i'm not sure where else it would have come from.

From the cigarettes they're claiming not to take? I gave up four months ago and I still have the occasional draw on one.

So, the people who install air freshening equipment aren't biased for something that may massively increase their workload?

you think they wouldn't want to sell restaurants on all sorts of fancy air filtration systems, if any of them would work?

Not if they could just sell them the cheap ones and charge the fancy price. Without the lingering smell of smoke, it's really easy to pass a substandard one off. Which is incidentally what nightclubs found directly afterwards. It was the tobacco smell that was masking the smell of urine, sweat and stale beer. The added expense almost sunk a number of clubs.

You aren't allowed to dump poison into lakes,

Doesn't stop certain companies doing it

so why should we let you smokers poison the air?

Same reason we let drivers do it?

Besides the fact that some people find sucking poison "relaxing" you name one good thing smokeing does for you.

Calms us down when having to deal with anti-smokers?

You're my hero.

 

[Ninja_X]

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I never said other types of pollution where any better, smoking and pollutant spewing companies are both horrible things.

Us non smokers don't are gonna give you as hard a time as we want, we don't wanna breath that shit.

I don't have kids, live on my own in a detached house, and do it at the end of my garden. I can't really identify with your accusations if they don't apply to me.

And let's stop calling the habit "filthy", who are you to judge me? You don't even know me.

Shut up, seriously.

I don't need to know you, I know what is in a cigarette but apparently you don't if you can call it anything BUT filthy.

If you are only poisoning yourself fine, die then.

But not everyone is a addicted fuckwit who apparently puts little value on their own health.

Other smokers are addicted fuckwits who don't care about their own health or the health of other people who have to deal with their secondhand stupidity.

Smokeing gives you lung cancer, oral cancer, bronchitis, emphysema, ect.

One good thing, all that and more is apparently relaxing? I don't know much about you but looking at the decision you made to smoke this shit, you must be a colossal retard.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

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Sorry, the other guy(Steo) is right, you are a fascist. There is clearly no more sense in talking to you. You have made up your mind and damn the truth if it gets in the way of your demands for your own way.

Adieu.

 

[axia777]

i try to keep up on political news, but a friend linked this to me, and i'm amazed no one seems to be talking about it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/23/health/policy/23fda.html

i'm surprisingly furious at this. i'm not a regular smoker, and i'm completely in favor of taxes on tobacco and public smoking bans, but this makes no sense from a public health standpoint and pointlessly restrains free trade. it also bothers that the federal government is trying to raise our children for us; i'm afraid a ban on violent games is next. Or maybe the FDA will require all liquor to taste terrible, so they won't be as appealing to kids?

Wow, really? I guess you hate laws against people raping your kids too? They SHOULD make alcohol (universally, since it already tastes awful) taste bad if it will make people stop drinking it.
Smoking should be gone. Just banning it wont really work, but smoking should not really be accepted, only tolerated until removing it can be achieved.

Where the hell do they breed people like this? Why should anyone stop drinking booze? Why? Just because you and other like minded people like you dislike drinking?

Also, what in the hell does raping kids have the slightest bit in common with teens smoking? That is just an insane leap of logic.

Smoking should just be "removed"? Why? Again, just because people like you dislike it? You people are such control freaks it is crazy. People will never stop doing drugs. People will never stop drinking. People will never stop smoking. To try and get rid of any of these things is a futile effort. You insane ideas will never be achieved.

Prohibition was an utter failure. Prohibition of against drugs is also an utter failure. If you actually think Prohibition against cigarettes is going to work I have a bridge to sell you in the Mojave desert next to ocean side property.

So give it up all you control freaks. You just can't win, ever.

Can we just ban smoking outright already? People have already proved time and time again that they are not intelligent enough to not do something that will kill them, so we should ban it so everyone else doesn't have to pay for their health care when they get cancer.

See my post above. Get the point? If not read it again.

Cigarettes are evil and smokers should pay high taxes for their filthy habit.

I'm of the opinion that it should be outright illegal.

and that sir, makes you a fascist

Yes it does. But these people think that they can control the lives of people. It will never work. But they keep thinking it will.

 

[Low Key]

They ban flavored cigarettes, but not menthol? Isn't that a flavor? That's stupid and hypocritical.

 

[axia777]

They ban flavored cigarettes, but not menthol? Isn't that a flavor? That's stupid and hypocritical.

That is because Phillip Morse the worlds largest cigarette manufacturer funded this bill. It is an obvious money grab by trying to use the legal system to crush their competition. I posted links to the proof earlier in the thread.

 

[Necrofudge]

Never tasted very good in the first place. Plus the decision was based off.... A STUDY!
Bum Bum Bum!!
Something about how eating cigarette candy will make you more likely to smoke. It seems like a waste of time but it wouldn't hurt anyone either. I doubt anyone would kill themselves over a lack of chalk flavored poison sticks.

 

[Low Key]

They ban flavored cigarettes, but not menthol? Isn't that a flavor? That's stupid and hypocritical.

That is because Phillip Morse the worlds largest cigarette manufacturer funded this bill. It is an obvious money grab by trying to use the legal system to crush their competition. I posted links to the proof earlier in the thread.

Cigarette manufacturing is a dying industry anyways. Phillip Morris isn't fairing any better than any other tobacco company.

 

[inhuMANATEE]

there will always be those retards in govt. that absent-mindedly crusade for menial shit like smoking, drinking and violence. That being said, fuck the govt. for trying to take my cigarettes away. Sure they're bad for you but so is alot of things, hell people drink gallons of coffee a day, that's not necessarily good for your health.

 

[Poopie McGhee]

As long as I can get my cigars, I don't care what they ban.

You should. They are limiting what you can legally buy.

Not a whole lot you can do about it. This country is one step away from making thinking illegal. I've never understood why people from other countries want to come over here. It's not the land of the free, it's the land of you can only do what we tell you to and we are taking away them rights one by one until there is nothing left.

That's what i'm thinking... This country's going down the shitter, but there's nothing anyone can do.

there will always be those retards in govt. that absent-mindedly crusade for menial shit like smoking, drinking and violence. That being said, fuck the govt. for trying to take my cigarettes away. Sure they're bad for you but so is alot of things, hell people drink gallons of coffee a day, that's not necessarily good for your health.

I heard somewhere that it causes high blood pressure. (Coffee)

 

[JWAN]

this is news to me, and I'm American

 

[Ninja_X]

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Sorry, the other guy(Steo) is right, you are a fascist. There is clearly no more sense in talking to you. You have made up your mind and damn the truth if it gets in the way of your demands for your own way.

Adieu.

You can't think of a comeback because I'm right more like it.

You can't think of ONE good reason to smoke in the first place can you?

You can't actually justify your bad habit can you?

Didn't think so.

 

[oppp7]

I don't really think this will work. But I am in favor of getting rid of a lot of the smoking, such as the laws banning smoking in public areas, or whatever those say exactly (in Maryland).

 

[THAC0]

what, you don't like the taste of tar and cancer?

also, screw free trade. seems that has become the buzz word lately and i am sick of it. It just gets thrown around by self styling anarchist and right wing nuts trying to appeal to people with an exaggerated sense of liberty.