Ubisoft engineer: "Console manufacturers" decide whitch parts of games to keep, pressure 30fps limit

[black_knight1337]

Lets use an example shall we. The WWE produces weekly shows they show on TV for free (well its paid by certain things but we're not getting into that), those shows are Raw and Smackdown primarily (there is more but for the sake of simplicity lets forget them).
They also produce PPVs which you need to pay for.

Oh but how unfair. I watch their weekly show, why shouldn't I watch the PPVs too? What big meanieheads. (That would be my crude rendition of what you're saying amounts to).
The weekly shows in this example we can say are the multiplats, stuff you have easy availability to. The PPVs are the exclusives, the titles they produce. The weekly shows may be watched by many, but its the PPVs they want you to buy.

Do you need to spend ~$500 just to be able to pay for those shows? Didn't think so. Same thing with the movie industry, you don't get forced to go to certain cinemas, nor do you get forced to buy certain dvd/bluray players. Same thing for music as well, you aren't forced to buy certain music player. So why should it be any different for video games?

Again with the simplicity. First of all many exclusives are only tenable on consoles today so straight away the amount of games will be reduced...but okay you gain some extra...and? You think that'll be it. Valve, EA, Ubisoft, and any other company that raises to the moment will play their cards.

Feel free to name some examples of console exclusives that can only work on consoles. You could argue use of things like the WiiU's motion controls but considering there are 3rd party solutions already available that make them work on PC it's not really a valid limitation.

And you think that'll continue? With a than singluar platform they will work harder to provide a better/cheaper service than who? The than defunct consoles? Nope.

With eachother? The digital sales market already has heaps of competition on PC. There's Steam, HumbleBundle (The store side), GoG, GreenManGaming, Amazon, GameFly, GetGames, Nuuvem and probably heaps more I'm forgetting. None of them are in competition with Sony or Microsoft currently so why would things change?

Competition. Take prices new for example. Already some of the bigger companies have put their new game prices to the amount they ask on consoles...the reason for this? Make more money simply put.

Gonna need a source on that. I've only ever seen it where the PC version is $10-$20 cheaper although occasionally the special editions are the same price.

Games aren't works by a singular man ultimately. Even those claimed to be often had others provide work on it.

What about the games that are made by only a single person, like Universum: Warfront? Or the many that only get people in for a small amount of contract work(Usually music, sound and VAs) like Dust: An Elysian Tail? And what of the modding teams that are out there like the one that made Nehrim and is now working on Enderal? In a lot of cases modders put in just as much, if not more, work than what some fully fledged studios do and yet, just because they build their work off of another game, you call them "vandals".

 

[Rozalia1]

Do you need to spend ~$500 just to be able to pay for those shows? Didn't think so. Same thing with the movie industry, you don't get forced to go to certain cinemas, nor do you get forced to buy certain dvd/bluray players. Same thing for music as well, you aren't forced to buy certain music player. So why should it be any different for video games?

Well at least that isn't the $1000 figure you mentioned previously...which I was going to target...but than didn't.

As I said a lot of "me me me", give it all to me even though I'm not a customer mentality going around.

Feel free to name some examples of console exclusives that can only work on consoles. You could argue use of things like the WiiU's motion controls but considering there are 3rd party solutions already available that make them work on PC it's not really a valid limitation.

This has already been explained and I'm not running through it all again. To put it short certain games only have been made (and there will be more in the future) due to the holder companies. Are those games such powerhouses that running them on PCs (of strong enough standard obviously) would be impossible? No. However would they be possible without the console/holder? Not just due to having monetary backing of the holder either, but also due to the allowances given by the holders who are more interested in putting more selling points on their device, than simply the money earned from the game directly, and finally the fact competition exists and so if the competitor has X game than the other holder company scrambles to get their own version made.

With eachother? The digital sales market already has heaps of competition on PC. There's Steam, HumbleBundle (The store side), GoG, GreenManGaming, Amazon, GameFly, GetGames, Nuuvem and probably heaps more I'm forgetting. None of them are in competition with Sony or Microsoft currently so why would things change?

Seems you're not getting the picture, and won't considering the "astonishment" at the price thing (don't want to say point as that could than be easily misunderstood). I've already explained it so I'll not be repeating myself so soon after.
Refer to my earlier posts to your quotes on that specific matter, I can only hope the whole price thing at least makes you more easily see what is being said.

Gonna need a source on that. I've only ever seen it where the PC version is $10-$20 cheaper although occasionally the special editions are the same price.

Maybe I was seeing things when I saw all that anger...lets check a game quickly:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Call-Duty-Advanced-Warfare-Edition/dp/B00K14UDCK

Bizarrely the 360 version is 55.99...the PC 40.17...and the rest 40. Checked Steam because hey I have to make sure, £39.99...well how about that. Did a little "tinkering" to get to the american site and the PS4 and PC versions are priced the same (though the PS4 one has a discount for whatever reason).

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1153316

Quick google search nabs the above thread which should be amble evidence to you that I haven't just made all this up like you seem to think I have (does it really sound so ridiculous? That says something in itself I suppose).

What about the games that are made by only a single person, like Universum: Warfront? Or the many that only get people in for a small amount of contract work(Usually music, sound and VAs) like Dust: An Elysian Tail? And what of the modding teams that are out there like the one that made Nehrim and is now working on Enderal? In a lot of cases modders put in just as much, if not more, work than what some fully fledged studios do and yet, just because they build their work off of another game, you call them "vandals".

... ... ... I expected that response, even hinting I'm expecting it and that its pointless to throw it at me won't stop it making an appearance. Read that part of the post you quoted again please.

 

[Rozalia1]

Not a really serious point mate. You should be able to do better.

So if the man in charge of the dev team say that than he is worthy of disrespect than is what you're saying, Brought it up as I saw some rage recently based on just that.

Basically attacking the art status of JRPGs in particular due to a part of the stereotypes associated with them... same way you used such on mods.

Yeah I already knew that, I mentioned it myself with the rpg dress up comment. You're misunderstanding why I said it from the looks of it.

Yes. It gets me. Stop using it.

Why? You're seeminly including them too as you've never specified further, just mods. So why shouldn't I go for the weakest in your stable to send the rest crashing down?

I am arrogant, but that is "deserved" arrogance. And a good defense mechanism for the real world, especially if its enough to shut people up.
HOWEVER!
I dont think you are an idiot, just stubborn, weird and illogical (or too logical, depends on the exact situation).

The control + F part was basically a joke. Considering that I am the one that is modding and not you, that ought to mean I should be the one advising you such simple things...
*I just read the entire page back then*

"Deserved" arrogance?

Modding is connected to control + F? Is databases, spreadsheets and other minor PC stuff also tied into that, you the one who should be schooling me on those too?

I dont like Infinity Ward? Ohh sure, their coders are effectively monkeys, but there is a reason I play CoD games...
Their game designers get my respect. Their coders ... not as much. Though I am certain that to a certain point that is due to the insane cycle they have.
Still, more has been done with less. So they (Like WarGaming's coders) are obviously not 1st class (maybe yet? probably inexperienced). Why should I respect 2nd class work as much as 1st class work? You dont make sense to me.

"So instead of answering the question you're trying to throw platform wars back at me? Doesn't work.

Yes other companies can push yearly titles too, I mean Gust bring out yearly Atelier titles (2 per year if you include the Vita ports that they do later) and they are nowhere near as vast as the big blockbuster companies. However unlike the likes of Infinity Ward they are exclusive to the Sony Platform and don't have to release at the same time on so many different platforms (what is it? 5 Now?).

I am not throwing platform wars at you. This is the simplicity of my worldview on the matter. One is essential, the other is not. You need one, dont need the other. One does all the other does and more. One is cheaper over time. Has more content.
Objectively, it is superior. Subjectively, you may like the other's games more (lesser chance though, content is less). Does not concern me.

Gaming being an art form has nothing to do with the matter. I REALLY dont see why you think that way.

Still not answering my Gaming PC question, or observation if you like. Fail to answer that and this isn't going anywhere.

Sounds fairly... unimpressive. Why bullets and not shells?

Because MIND bullets can summon demons. I'm fancy to some Metatron myself.

Why must it always be sold? Neither of those two sell.

Perhaps they think because it was free orginally that they'd not be able to sell...well that'd be incorrect as of course they can still sell it, easily in fact. A shame they don't have the moxy for whatever reason.

The world is neither honest nor fair...

Yes I've said that before but in this circumstance no that doesn't work. You've taken two things not connected, and than connected them to be dishonest. That isn't how these things work, I can clearly see you've done it and have proclaimed my knowledge of it.

Artistically? Both are equally important.

Logically impossible and doesn't mesh with the other thing you're pushing.

So what is more important... the PC or the console?

Is this the final blow? I think not.

You present two options with one being absurd, and the other by all accounts reasonable. Whichever I answer generates you different ammo, one of which is completely fatal to me as I'd be blown in half.
However instead I'll undertake the fabled third option, the half way point, the great moonsault off the cage.

What you're referring to really is a home PC, so your assertions earlier to claim that the world would end if (home) PCs went poof is nonsense. Laptops, tablets, business computers, the larger servers, mainframes, and such would still exist.
With that card eroded your play is ruined. I could if I so wish answer either way, it'd take some wrangling however and with the answer now irrelevant I'm not going to bother.

 

[Strazdas]

What did I reference? The PS2. Did I say all required a BIOS? No. I said there are cases where they don't. So where, where I ask is this error occurring.

Is there some other PS2 one that doesn't require the BIOS? Is that your point?

so you admit you were wrong about claiming that emulation when owning a legal copy of a game is illegal?

I was referring to having a copy, selling it, and than pirating it later with that as justification.

whitch is irrelevant because we were talking about emulating a game i own a legal copy of.

You've got rights to your copy, you don't to someone elses.

Ive got rights to a copy. where it comes from is irrelevant.

nor do you get forced to buy certain dvd/bluray players.

Sony actually tried that. Play sony dvds only with sony dvd players. that backfired so hard they like to pretend it didnt happen.

 

[Rozalia1]

so you admit you were wrong about claiming that emulation when owning a legal copy of a game is illegal?

If I'd claimed that I'd have to, but I didn't so no points to you. I lay out the conditions needed for it to be legal every single time, you've taken one part, ignored the rest, and are now pretending I never gave you the rest of the conditions.
Poor show, and such attempted trickery won't pass muster with me.

whitch is irrelevant because we were talking about emulating a game i own a legal copy of.

You never specified any game... and besides there is a reason I use the PS2 in my examples. If someone is caught saying they use an emulator to play those games because they don't want to buy a physical PS2, than they can say they own 100 disc copies of the game they are emulating all they like if they wish, it'll still illegal.
Now considering until I laboured this point your way for 6 months now you didn't know the nature of such things...I very much doubt your honesty if you were to say you actually got a BIOS off your console in regards to the ones that require it, after all why would someone who didn't know bother with that? And getting cartridges to legally play on your PC? Well yes you explained a way to do that yes, but anyone interested in such a thing would look into doing it physically.

Ive got rights to a copy. where it comes from is irrelevant.

Nope doesn't work like that. I own Parasite Eve 2 for example, that does not mean I can legally go on the internet and download it to play on an emulator. I've ran through the specifics of what is legal and what isn't figuratively a million times now and such remarks shouldn't come up from you.

 

[Rozalia1]

Yes. There already is no such thing as true parity. The PC version, even of the worst ports is ALWAYS better then the console one.
*Shrug*
His "opinion" is pretty much a stupid fairy tale.

Well actually...there do exist worst "PC ports"... I'm not going to dig up every port in history to check, but I know at least one technicality.

Anyway more importantly, what disrespect. Its stupid apparently to want your work to be experienced in X manner you wish.

Should I go for low budget flash japanese hentai games?

The weakest link is technically fix mods BTW. At least, most of the time, they are least original.

Doesn't harm me in any way, you're targeting something which is simply not on the field. That talk came about because with all your talk of toys I rendered gaming to toys (as it often is by people) and compared shooters, fighters, and RPGs as playing with dolls.
Were this a talk of genre vs genre I said that shooters were just boys with dolls going "pew pew pew" while RPGs, or JRPGs if you like were refined gaming for true gamers yadda yadda yadda than sure you'd have a target on the field to hit, a pretty large one as I'd have seemingly personally crafted it to be as large and weak as possible...however. That did not happen so you shooting blindly at nothing.

I have earned the right to be arrogant is what that means.

You are aware of the definition of arrogant right?

arrogant (ˈærəɡənt)
adj
1. having or showing an exaggerated opinion of one's own importance, merit, ability, etc.

Try pride/proud instead.

Way to ramble on. Дървен Философ . It was a joke.
Though there are many things on which I can school you. And maybe many on which you can school me

The two things just aren't connected. Children in middle school if not earlier these days get taught/told what control+F is.

No excuse for people that have the manpower and the money to wage a war.

Ain't quite so simple clearly.

That is not worth being answered really.

Poor show. Its alright I don't need to push it if that is how you're going to end. You have no answer to Gaming PCs with gaming as a primary function (as that is what you use to target consoles), so you avoid it and won't talk about it.
Its fine I can respect someone who knows when to take the best option, while not taking it on damages you...its better than taking it on and being completely eradicated.

Modern Military >>>> Demons. Tanks >>>>>>>>> Demons.

Too much Manga it seems

Please, my demons are immune to physicals. No modern military can stop them.

Seems like the free part in modding eludes you.

Who said that? I don't get how this always happens with everyone, I laid it all out. I acknowledged it was free exactly in what you quoted, fine I'll just repeat myself again then. Perhaps they think because it was free originally that they'd not be able to sell...well that'd be incorrect as of course they can still sell it, easily in fact. A shame they don't have the moxy for whatever reason

People that are binary and see the world black and white usually deserve dishonesty in my book. To be fair though, you seem to think of me as some evil mastermind or something here...

What does that have to do with anything. You took two pieces each addressing something different in your post and joined them together like they were addressing the same thing (made worse because there can be no mistake as everything I've posted is very clearly split up for convenience of the reader to know what I'm saying to address what).

Obviously it is not impossible. I do not see a problem AT ALL.

You asked me the question regarding PC and console with the intention of responding with "well consoles wouldn't exist without PC so thus can't be equally important", and are here saying that mods and the original games are equally important when mods wouldn't exist without the original game. There is no consistency.

Both are reasonable. As I said, you are the very first human being that maintains such a position on modding in my entire life. And I know a lot of gamers mate.

You've simply got it all twisted... I'm unsure how you came to that conclusion. I was quite clearly addressing your question: "So what is more important... the PC or the console?"...that is why my response to it was below your quote box that contained that question... So joining two separate sentences together was that just the beginning? Are you really going to be taking a response I made to something...and attributing it to something else now?

Its not complicated, the writing I have below the quote box addresses the quote box above it, not the one below it or another somewhere else on the page. I lay it out like that so there really should be no mistakes...yet...here we are.

Basically use Bullshit?
*Reads rest*

I was right.
If Personal Computers stopped existing, we wont be seeing hundreds of millions dead. Only thousands. Yey, woooho, such victory. And no more games being made! Wooohoo!

Incredible how one of humanity's greatest achievements can be dragged down in importance by you though.

You are incredible though.

Just going to quote myself because how you've come to the conclusion you have to make that response is honestly beyond me.

"Is this the final blow? I think not.

You present two options with one being absurd, and the other by all accounts reasonable. Whichever I answer generates you different ammo, one of which is completely fatal to me as I'd be blown in half.
However instead I'll undertake the fabled third option, the half way point, the great moonsault off the cage.

What you're referring to really is a home PC, so your assertions earlier to claim that the world would end if (home) PCs went poof is nonsense. Laptops, tablets, business computers, the larger servers, mainframes, and such would still exist.
With that card eroded your play is ruined. I could if I so wish answer either way, it'd take some wrangling however and with the answer now irrelevant I'm not going to bother".

To add to that games would still be made, games are usually made on PCs a step above common home PCs...and as far as I know home PCs aren't really tied to anybodies lives, their disappearance would be inconvenient yes, but it'd not be costing any lives.

 

[Strazdas]

If I'd claimed that I'd have to, but I didn't so no points to you. I lay out the conditions needed for it to be legal every single time, you've taken one part, ignored the rest, and are now pretending I never gave you the rest of the conditions.
Poor show, and such attempted trickery won't pass muster with me.

so you were arguing for last 3 posts for something you never claimed? shifting goalposts?

You never specified any game... and besides there is a reason I use the PS2 in my examples. If someone is caught saying they use an emulator to play those games because they don't want to buy a physical PS2, than they can say they own 100 disc copies of the game they are emulating all they like if they wish, it'll still illegal.

thats because specific game is irrelevant as we are arguing the principle of the thing. Like i said, that one emulator that uses BIOS is not the only emulator in town.

Well yes you explained a way to do that yes, but anyone interested in such a thing would look into doing it physically.

well thats quite the assumption. what if i only want to play the game and the only legal way for me to do so is to keep that cartridge somewhere in storage room?

Nope doesn't work like that. I own Parasite Eve 2 for example, that does not mean I can legally go on the internet and download it to play on an emulator. I've ran through the specifics of what is legal and what isn't figuratively a million times now and such remarks shouldn't come up from you.

Yes it does. In fact if you were to buy say Watch Dogs you could legally go and download a copy from a torrent site. you would not be able to play it though because in order to play it you need to circumvent the DRM which is illegal, but you could download it legally. now, vast majority of old games being emulator does not have the DRM thus there is nothing to circumvent and you can play it.

Just because you do not know the law does not mean you can spread misinformation and then claim you have been spreading it long enough we should all comform. as you say: does not work like that.

 

[Rozalia1]

Do educate me on these ports. Never EVER seen such a thing.
So... All versions have to be sub 30 fps and sub 720p and Ultra Low settings with murky AA?

There was a couple I believe ports of sports games that were ports of the last gen versions, and not the current gen so the PC port had the old engine, old graphics, old AI, missing modes, and such.
Has that been sorted, remembering these games are yearly and that only happened in one year and everything was dandy the next...doubtful.

Aha. So now you change stuff. Ok. Not on the field... that is a stereotype, an extreme one, against JRPGs. Same as your shit talk on modding.
The rest of your comment was on things that I did not bring up more, so no idea why you use them.

That was an explanation of the initial comment involving dolls which you responded to with nonsense. You still have failed to understand even with what you've described as "rambling" as I've tried to get it across in several ways... you ain't getting it.

Pride/proud dont get the connotations across. That is a shield.

Alright than, so your knowledge and what not is exaggerated and you're not actually all that you claim...alright. Normally someone else would say that, but if you want to kneecap yourself than whatever I can't stop you.

An exaggeration. CoD's developers have hundred million dollar budgets and hudreds of people.
That is more then the vast majority of developers.

If you have that and 2-3 years for a game, and you cant get the job done reasonably well, you deserve being called out. Simple as that.

So we went from yearly to 2-3 years now?

You live in a fantasy world it seems .
Wooden Philosophy, does not deserve answeres. It is BS.

It seems explanations of the angle are meaningless, not that I don't think you can't understand it...but because you're smart enough to defend yourself in that sort of manner.

I dont see what wrong I have commited. I really dont. You are binary. You do complain from dishonesty. That is supreme

You committed a grievous quoting error that was dishonest as I said. As for the binary thing which I've yet to address. Perhaps you think that stings somehow because I was using binary earlier...well it doesn't. My usage actually had a logical point/purpose/meaning...yours? I'm unsure, using it in conjunction with "Life isn't fair" only makes it harder to make out what it is you're actually going on about, if its actually anything.

Artistically, equal importance. What is so hard to understand there?
Mods can (theoretically) exist without the parent game.

Consoles, no matter how much you try to defend these toys, are not as important as either (though your distinction is not something I will use, it is just BS mark talk) server or mainframe PCs, nor as game developer PCs (almost the same as home PCs BTW) nor as home PCs.

A mod of X game can exist without X game first being created... hehehe. Nice joke.

Don't drudge that up here when you don't want to address it further up in the post, show some consistency. Without answering the gaming PC logic hole you have in your armour you can't even begin to attack me with claims "I'm defending my toys". For you see you're already under attack from that very statement yourself, or more specifically gaming PCs are...yet you do nothing and will continue to do nothing as with the logic you're using there is no able answer to fight back with.

Also I'm pretty sure you don't know what mark means so while I can understand the hilarity of using words I like to use against me...if you don't understand them than the response is going to be one of disappointment...not "oh he got me".

As I said earlier, you are coming from a completely inferior position experience-wise to me. If it were and argument on whether games are art, you'd be basically a old person that doesnt play games trying to prove a point somehow.
It does not work that way. At all.
"Get gud" or acknowledge.

You've said you're arrogant so your supposedly superior knowledge is actually not so as you claim. I don't like calling people out like that especially as unless they've slipped up on something glaring its very hard to prove...but you did it yourself so...thanks I suppose.

But it is simple, what you wrote is not connected to reality.

... ... ... So if home PCs went poof millions of people would die as you claim...I see, I'm actually on a desktop right now in fact, perhaps you are too. Is our souls part of the computers, would their disappearance cause us to have heart attacks and pass on?
Home PCs do not encompass all PCs.

so you were arguing for last 3 posts for something you never claimed? shifting goalposts?

... ... ... I lay it out fully practically every time now as otherwise people will focus on what is missing. I made many mentions of the BIOS, I even said "sure fine its legal as far as know" to your scenario of having a legal copy of a game on an emulator that didn't require the original devices BIOS.

If you're going to accuse me of being a liar than bring forth the evidence, and no cutting out bits and pieces either like some people have taken to doing, I can see my posts and if you've left something out to push something I'll know. Anyone who reads the quoted parts in my posts will know. So please, don't do that as its a waste of time.

thats because specific game is irrelevant as we are arguing the principle of the thing. Like i said, that one emulator that uses BIOS is not the only emulator in town.

Who said it was? I'm aware of the certain devices that don't require a BIOS, however that one in the example does which is what I'm specifically referring to. Now if you have an emulator that can do what that one can without a BIOS than you merely need to make me aware of it, you've failed to do so repeatably however.

well thats quite the assumption. what if i only want to play the game and the only legal way for me to do so is to keep that cartridge somewhere in storage room?

??? A physical device to play the cartridges is much simpler than the alternative and if you got the cartridges to play them legally somewhere than it really shouldn't be an issue.

Yes it does. In fact if you were to buy say Watch Dogs you could legally go and download a copy from a torrent site. you would not be able to play it though because in order to play it you need to circumvent the DRM which is illegal, but you could download it legally. now, vast majority of old games being emulator does not have the DRM thus there is nothing to circumvent and you can play it.

Just because you do not know the law does not mean you can spread misinformation and then claim you have been spreading it long enough we should all comform. as you say: does not work like that.

Well you merely need to post the part that says buying one copy gives you access to an infinite amount of copies of someone else forever, forever, forever (Terry Funk joke) don't you now.

 

[Rozalia1]

That does not make it right or even often seen.
We should all achieve parity with old phones! Maybe you would be happy that way

You told me it was an impossibility, I gave you something which proved you wrong. Attempting to misdirect by playing it all off as nonsense simply won't work. However correct you assert yourself to be you should try to leave a small room for errors/exceptions/and the like. You used juicy absolute words and are now laid on the ground simply wrong, nothing can hide that.

You know one language and dont even have complete control over it ...

Things are quite simple. Figure them out.

That has such a massive hole for an insult I'll not even bother, too easy and mean. You're not better than me however many languages, or knowledge of computers you think you have over me. I've explained it half a dozen times, you either don't get it, or are purposely pretending not to avoid further damage to your arguments.
Can you answer what the point was to my response regarding the dolls? What it's purpose was? I've explained it enough times so you should...

*Facepalm*

Words have definitions, your intention of using it positively does not work.

You did not know every CoD has a development cycle of 2 years (now 3)?

... Who mentioned CoD? Well I suppose you brought up Infinity Ward and I believe they do some Call of Duties... well I was talking generally.

It is fine mate, I do normally consider myself far superior to whatever the average is (no matter the place). Unfortunately, this type of arguing you are demonstrating to me here... its basically "Дървена Философия" here. The type of arguments low class politicians use.

Arrogant indeed, perhaps it is the right word to use after all (not a good thing however). What just are those characters you've been throwing in there?

Because you are superior to every single person here and are always right, objective and think things through perfectly.

A person that thinks in such a stubborn binary way... is not normal to me at all. Dangerous way of thinking IMO.

And yeah, life aint fair. Else we would all be playing on PCs...

??? You seriously followed up with a statement saying you normally consider yourself superior to whatever the average is (no matter what it is) with that? Doesn't really work like that, you can't make a statement like that and than make a statement after like that.

Binary when I used it was to highlight in the context of the platform wars that the warriors only see allies, and foes. Anything that is outside that is inconceivable. Yours? I called you out on misrepresenting what I was saying by purposely taking something addressed to something, and quoting it like I was addressing something else entirely...and that means I see in binary? What? Makes no sense, there is no story there.

Multiplatform, that won't work on me. Got immunity to all those types of barbs.

SDK. Development kits. Engine software. Source Codes. Already said it.
"Get gud".

... ... ... No you didn't actually... as for the response itself....so mods of an engine. So this fantasy engine was just made with no game attached...and people made mods for it... wouldn't they than just be games and not mods? That is quite the somersault.
Not even going to bother addressing the pointless remark at the end.

Because your argument is absolutely downright insane.
A gaming PC is STILL a PC. FFS, HTPCs too can play games (I got Metro working on one 200 dollar machine). So, they too should dissapear. All current PCs should disapear.
If you REALLY cant see a difference between a console and a gaming PC... that is basically exemplary level of a mark you have achieved there.

You better off not bothering. You've been referring this whole time to Home PCs in actuality like I said earlier, not business PCs, not mainframes, not servers, not workstations, not anything else. Business PCs being able to play games doesn't mean they are home PCs...so what happens if home PCs disappear. Inconvenience for some I suppose, I'd likely need to get a better Laptop I suppose for one...but it'd not be fatal to anybodies lives.

Attempting to lump in all PCs with home PCs only shows how you know your case simply isn't strong enough. As I told you, I can answer your question either way I like. I could say the Home PC with the existence of tablets, phones, laptops, and such are not all that important as they once were (oh and no business PCs, workstations, mainframes, and all those don't disappear if home PCs do).
With PC exclusives also being on Laptops essentially I can than state consoles would thus be a bigger loss in the gaming department... so you see its all too easy. If we played by the specifications you tried to rig by including everything that is PC (which would be illogical anyway as a console is a PC so if all PCs disappear than so would consoles...) than you'd have an easy win...however I don't play against hands I know to be rigged. After forcing a mulligan your rigged cards are gone.

As for my actual answer to your question... as I said I don't need to grace you with one. In regards to gaming in how I laid it out I can give my answer one way or another, it'd be irrelevant.

Nice argument there .

You admit to be of an inferior position on modding when compared to me?

You've told me that you're arrogant about your knowledge on such things meaning you don't know as much as you claim... as I've told, bad word to use but you seem to keep wanting to use it.

Of coarse they dont. Losing home PCs is basically chaos. Not an apocalypse, but much MUCH worse then losing consoles.

That so? I got a laptop right behind me, after the obvious searching the web on why I just had a piece of tech vanish into the ether. I'd download Crusader Kings 2, its DLC, and all the other stuff I had on what just vanished...and done. The laptop also does the word processor, spreadsheets, and all that so I'll still have that.
Consoles vanish into the ether and I'm down a huge amount of exclusives I can't play...

If that is an apocalypse than I don't know what the doomsayers of the coming apocalypse are so worried about.

Again, one of the greatest inventions of human history, the Personal Computer, brought down by a console mark that sees the world in binary, plays consoles only for their few exclusives (unfortunately, his favourite genre ) and is a champion of multi billion dollar company rights... I dont get it.

Anyways, it seems we here often have problems understanding you or what you really mean. To be fair, you seem to have problems with we are saying as well. I dont believe I can change a fanboy's opinion on their consoles, especially not yours. I am too tired dealing with you here ... at least for the 2-3 weeks (have exams).
If you want, PMs on Modding I accept. But for now (or probably forever, the thread might not exist by the time I get back) I wont be participating. If you have a reply PM me it as it opens those easier for some strange reason, and only there can I reply from a phone...

Multiplatform again, I no sell those sort of attacks which is what most of that post consists of. As for championing multi billion dollar company rights, heard it before. No, just because I don't overreact over the most minor of things doesn't mean I'm a shill or whatever else you think I am.