The election results are grim. Best hope now is for Clegg and Brown to make friends and go slap that posh tory twat back into the last century where he belongs!
UK Elections - The results and musings.
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With a 3 party system and a split Left-vote that means a bad outcome like this is inevitable:Prometherion said:
-The possibility of being governed by a minority party.
See as much as people ***** about America's 2 party system the point is at least neither right nor left vote is significantly split. Little to no danger of a hung senate.
Hopefully Lab + Lib will join together as a coalition but that is just because I am of the opinion that Liberal Democrats and Labour should be the same party anyway, there is no point in splitting them up.
BTW, I am fairly right wing (pro gun, pro hunting, pro-capitalism and all that), and a few years ago I wouldn't have minded the Conservatives in power... but Osborne and Cameron... fuck no. I don't like Gordon Brown that much, the grumpy old scouser, but at least he has the authenticity to call a bigot a bigot.
Cameron has sold out the Conservatives, it sickens me what they have resorted to to get where they have (and not QUITE fare enough) with a greasy passive aggressive Car Salesman. Also, I'm worried about the Tories on censorship, they seem completely out of touch, not the party for gamers IMHO.
Well, I'd rather it wasn't a hung parliament but its nice to see Gordon Brown finally (or at least probably) being forced to fuck off at last.
Kinda glad the lib-dems got so few seats too; I disagree vehemently with their stance on Trident and their touted student fees claims will mean fuck all to me other than potentially increased taxes; though I am aware they will play an important role in any coalition government.
That being said, coalition governments in Britain rarely, if ever last long; I wouldn't be surprised if a new election was called pretty soon. Also the whole fuck-up with some people not being allowed to vote is just...embarrassing.
Kinda glad the lib-dems got so few seats too; I disagree vehemently with their stance on Trident and their touted student fees claims will mean fuck all to me other than potentially increased taxes; though I am aware they will play an important role in any coalition government.
That being said, coalition governments in Britain rarely, if ever last long; I wouldn't be surprised if a new election was called pretty soon. Also the whole fuck-up with some people not being allowed to vote is just...embarrassing.
I was up till 7ish watching it and eventually, we just couldn't handle the pain of Tory after Tory seat. I woke up this afternoon in a Fascist nation even if nobody knows it yet. Cameron and Clegg (basically the same person) are going to jump into bed together because Clegg is a tool. Bring back Charles Kennedy! To be honest, I don't think that Clegg can really hold onto his position as leader if he starts sucking Tory dick. The Party will want him out after a while.
At least a few good things came out of it. The Lib Dems destroyed Plain Cyrmu in Ceredigion (where I go to uni) and a few very despicable Labour MPs lost their seats.
In my home constituency, Lib Dem, Lembit Opik lost his 10,000 majority from 2005 and the Tories and their detestable candidate took it by 1,000. That was one of the most secure Lib Dem seats in the country - a monkey in an orange ribbon could have won that seat for the Lib Dems. I could have won that bloody seat for the Lib Dems. You have to be a real knob head to loose to the Tories in Montgomeryshire.
At least a few good things came out of it. The Lib Dems destroyed Plain Cyrmu in Ceredigion (where I go to uni) and a few very despicable Labour MPs lost their seats.
In my home constituency, Lib Dem, Lembit Opik lost his 10,000 majority from 2005 and the Tories and their detestable candidate took it by 1,000. That was one of the most secure Lib Dem seats in the country - a monkey in an orange ribbon could have won that seat for the Lib Dems. I could have won that bloody seat for the Lib Dems. You have to be a real knob head to loose to the Tories in Montgomeryshire.
First rule of negotiation: don't limit your options.ironduke88 said:
My amateur conclusion is Clegg is bluffing Brown to get the most favourable terms in any negotiation over a coalition by threatening a Cons + lib coalition or even just sticking their heels in and letting them go forward with a cons minority govt.
Either that or he is just testing the waters with Cons to gauge the situation, or maybe just out of democratic sentiment they feel a need to give the party with the most votes at least primary consideration.
See Libs hate the idea of a +Cons coalition, and Cons don't even need a coalition with Lib (not to mention not even wanting it). So I think Clegg is just doing bullshit power plays for a favourable deal.
[/quote]Conversatives will not allow any electoral reform, despite our current system leading to this mess in the first place.[/quote]
While true I think that I would rather have a party in power which will attempt to sort out this country; then we can electoral reform when we have an economy...
While true I think that I would rather have a party in power which will attempt to sort out this country; then we can electoral reform when we have an economy...
Cameron is my Hero 
That was a lie, trololol. He is actually a tool and as many have said on this post he is a danger to the country and hopefully if he does make this alliance with Clegg that some of the Lib Dem spirit will rub off on him.
Gordon Brown is and always has been an excellent politician. He has a analytical mind and makes for a sharp mind. But he is not a leader, a leader requires charisma and a force of will to inspire and comfort a nation. Brown would have served much better as an advisor but his stubbornness has made it so he can want nothing more than total control.
But in good and happy news the Greens finally got a seat. Hopefully this will be the start of a success for them.
That was a lie, trololol. He is actually a tool and as many have said on this post he is a danger to the country and hopefully if he does make this alliance with Clegg that some of the Lib Dem spirit will rub off on him.
Gordon Brown is and always has been an excellent politician. He has a analytical mind and makes for a sharp mind. But he is not a leader, a leader requires charisma and a force of will to inspire and comfort a nation. Brown would have served much better as an advisor but his stubbornness has made it so he can want nothing more than total control.
But in good and happy news the Greens finally got a seat. Hopefully this will be the start of a success for them.
Nikajo said:
Nikajo said:
The rules and the law are quite clear, the deadline for voting was 10pm. No exceptions, if your ballot paper isn't in the ballot box by 10, then tough you can't vote.Two Angels said:
We can't just keep all polling stations open for stragglers, there will always be people that get there late and complain. As anyone that has ever worked in a place with a closing time will know, there is always a few at the door demanding service and going on about their rights, closing time is closing time, people need to learn that.
I've been hearing a lot about people wanting more staff at the polling station, few reasons that is stupid.
There is only one Electoral list per polling station and you need to be checked against that list to ensure that you can vote, and that you haven't already and are trying for more votes than you are allowed, the latter would be difficult and time consuming to do on multiple lists and the former requires your name and some information about you being on this list, does anyone really want multiple copies of their info floating around?
Most importantly, these people are council workers, their wages are your taxes, more of them means more taxes.
Claiming for not being able to vote is stupid.
Person A goes to vote at 9:40, gets turned away at 10, gets angry, goes home and claims.
Person B chose not to vote, but is on the electoral roll, sees stuff on news about people that didn't get a chance to vote, claims.
How do you prove you were there waiting?
If people got turned away when they reasonably could have voted before 10pm, I agree with them, they deserve some sort of compensation, if they had no chance of voting by that time then better luck next time, or better timekeeping anyway, but the problem is, we can't distinguish between these people.
If one single person gets the money then every one of the registered people that didn't vote for whatever reason will be able to get it, current info says that there was a 65% turnout nationwide so the other 35% could attempt a claim. That's a lot of money which the country doesn't have.
Way to go, you were unhappy with the economic climate so you wanted to try changing that, only you were too slow so you made the economy worse, woo!
Now I'm no expert on other countries voting systems but I'm almost certain that they have voting deadlines too and that, just like here, if you don't vote before that time then you missed your chance.
Although I will say those reports of a place in Liverpool running out of Ballot papers, that's just wrong in every way, I wonder if certain Scouse stereotypes are ringing true?
I knew it was inevitable, but I really hate the fact the Tories are the largest party.
At least they didn't get a majority.
At least they didn't get a majority.
Agreed on all of those points. I voted Lib-Dem too, though I'm a bit unhappy with their underperformance, again *sigh*.Grouchy Imp said:
Pissed off. What a mess. Pretty please with a fucking cherry on top can we have electoral reform?
In theory it isn't such a bad thing to have political parties working together for the good of the people rather than crowing in victory and cock-slapping the opposition. But whether coalitions will be respectful and designed to operate in the best interest of the population is doubtful because British politics just don't work that way.
I'm going back to bed, I can listen to any more of the news on this. As always feel pretty damned disenfranchised.
Oh, and those who ran the polling stations that run out of ballot - prepare to have your teeth legally kicked in (am less unhappy about the big queues. Listened to a woman last night who said that she checked the queues at 6, 7 and 8 and leaving each time because there was a queue. Pro-tip to the *****, try standing in the bloody queue next time)
In theory it isn't such a bad thing to have political parties working together for the good of the people rather than crowing in victory and cock-slapping the opposition. But whether coalitions will be respectful and designed to operate in the best interest of the population is doubtful because British politics just don't work that way.
I'm going back to bed, I can listen to any more of the news on this. As always feel pretty damned disenfranchised.
Oh, and those who ran the polling stations that run out of ballot - prepare to have your teeth legally kicked in (am less unhappy about the big queues. Listened to a woman last night who said that she checked the queues at 6, 7 and 8 and leaving each time because there was a queue. Pro-tip to the *****, try standing in the bloody queue next time)
Don't know what I was trying to say there, I was trying to think of a slightly disparaging term for a scot and mixed it up with liverpudlains. Ah, well, they're all dour northern industrious types. Maybe that's the type that would be better for hard economic times... rather than a passive-aggressive car salesman.Daystar Clarion said:
Still, under Labour we have seen a good deal for a reduction in censorship of all media that the Tories have consistently objected to. Remember all that bullshit over "video nasties" and think about what some commonwealth countries are doing like Australia and massive internet censorship.
Most Tories see video games as "sick toys designed to corrupt children".
If this site is pro anything it is pro-video games and I don't think the Tories are on our side on that one.
I think the only video games Cameron wants us playing are Wii games for insufferable family events. *PUKE*
I'm happy that good old Andrew Smith kept his seat, but at the moment I want Lib Dems and Labor to form a government (along with some other parties), I'm not too sure about that though. I'm expecting another election because of these results.
It's the motto of all of us Lib/Dem voters: "Prepare for disappointment, but hope for - well, slightly less disappointment!"Hollywood Knights said:
Ok Imagine there are only 2 seats and 2 parties:Quaxar said:
In Year 1 the AVERAGE opinion polls go 95% Party A, 5% party B
and the result is Seat 1 goes to Party A and and seat 2 goes to Party A as well
In Year 2 the AVERAGE opinion polls are 55% party A, 45% party B
yet the results are the same, both seals go to Party A, because they only have to get the most votes FOR EACH SEAT.
So 23% of people may SAY they've vote Liberal democrats (assuming they really meant that or if they bottled it at the last minute, or if those voting for the other parties were much quieter, so Libs seem to be higher percentage) that doesn't mean they get 23% of seats.
err, seats are what people vote for in each voting district.
So if these polling opinions are correct it seems the Lib Dem support is just spread too thin around the country.
At the same time Conservative support is very concentrated.
i really wanted labour to stay in, i even voted for once; but, the shitty concervatives did better, although my constituency is still labour...GO SUNDERLAND!