UK has good taste... F1 2010 outsells Halo

[Dragunai]

Halo: Reach is (from what I gathered of stories from my XBL friends who own it etc) now using the "class system" of Spartans.

Classes...

This is their next innovation?
A system thats been around since the 1st team fortress game back in 1996 and probably earlier.
Congratulations Bungie I see your only 14 yrs behind everyone else ^_^ Who knows maybe next they will implement a series of physics puzzles into their games bringing them up to 2004! (Half life 2)

Next in line to do so will be Black Ops because from a preview of their new perks they are letting players make their own Heavy, stealth, sniper etc classes.
Joy of Joys.

Seems once again FPS games are scrapping bloody fingers against the splinters of the barrels base.

Tbh I think the OP is right in some respects, FPS games arent really revolutionary anymore.
They've gotten as good as they are going to in respects of graphics, specially with HD tvs/monitors and any relative cables etc.

How many more variants can they make on the you, gun, enemy, win formulae?
Its all on gimmicks now and realism.

Personally Im way more into Saints Row 2 right now because of its stark humour, simple gameplay and balls to the wall violence and blood. It remembers videogames are meant to be fun not the company who makes them trying to show off how clever they can be with a graphics / physics engine.

 

[fix-the-spade]

It's a bad day to be British.

I disagree entirely.

We're British, we are the biggest force in motor sport world wide. It follows that the game of the biggest motor sport on the planet would sell well here. All it means is that this country has a shit load of Formula 1 fans.

Having said that, I bought Reach, F1 is better on the telly when I'm not in control.

 

[fix-the-spade]

Halo: Reach is (from what I gathered of stories from my XBL friends who own it etc) now using the "class system" of Spartans.

Not really, you can customise your armour fit Halo 3 style and change the equipment you spawn with, but really every Spartan plays the same once shooting starts.

Reach's 'innovation' is jetpacks and they are wonderful.

 

[Baron von Blitztank]

I'm not even a fan of Halo but even I find it sad that F1 2010 is outselling Halo: Reach.

 

[Vrex360]

It is indeed quite shameful that the OT was placed on probation because all the fanboys got their panties in a knot...

Seriously? Come on, read through that post again and now imagine that it's your favorite game being put in that context and that by extension it's you being labeled as the person who 'jizzed' at the chance to play said game and having base assumptions made of you based on your liking of a game.
Now imagine someone saying that it is technically a fact that your game is bad taste and ending it with a:
'Sorry but it's true'.

Now imagine said person also overlooks a plethora of other things in your favorite game (in this instance, Forge World, Custom games, other load outs, online campaign matchmaking, the armory) and instead focus on one thing and simplify and ridicule it. Then going right back to calling it 'the same old hat'.

And now you are being told that you are 'getting your panties in a twist' or even being labeled as a 'fanboy' because you don't like having your favorite game being given a diminished description and subsequently being insulted in the process.

So yes, I do think that the probation was at least somewhat deserved. True, maybe the OP's intentions weren't to stir up an angry response from the Halo fanbase but if you seriously want to make a thread declaring that one country having a game that outsold Halo being a sign of 'good taste' then you can't honestly say you didn't expect negative feedback.

EDIT: Yes, I know he didn't technically say that he thought Halo: Reach sucked but still, all things considered this was a thread destined to stir up anger.

 

[Wolfram23]

It is indeed quite shameful that the OT was placed on probation because all the fanboys got their panties in a knot...

Seriously? Come on, read through that post again and now imagine that it's your favorite game being put in that context and that by extension it's you being labeled as the person who 'jizzed' at the chance to play said game and having base assumptions made of you based on your liking of a game.
Now imagine someone saying that it is technically a fact that your game is bad taste and ending it with a:
'Sorry but it's true'.

I agree with that statement, the "jizz" thing was a tad out of line. But, I wrote that after going through 3 pages with a lot of Halo fans being rather insulting to either me or throwing ignorant comments out like "F1 is you in a car going in circles" which is basically what you describe as "focus on one thing and simplify and ridicule it". Plenty of people have at least been decent and I don't mean to call them out as having jizzed their pants when they bought it.

Also, my arguments are mostly basing "good taste" on a title that has innovation compared to one that doesn't do much for the genre, as I stated a few times. If you disagree with that assesment then so be it, I don't care and I'm sure you don't care that that is what I think.

Whether or not the thread was destined to stir up anger shouldn't matter since all told I said 1 actual retalitory insult and didn't throw shit at the game itself.

 

[Vrex360]

snipzors

I understand, by all means. What I was saying was in that post that someone not really knowing what your meaning behind what you were saying was might look at the post you made and in turn get angry. I don't think you meant to cause any offence but I reckon you needed to phrase it better, like if you meant in terms of innovation you should have simply mentioned the idea of preferring 'innovation over old franchises' because that's less particular and it is broad enough that no one will think you are issuing a personal attack against their favorite game.

So yes I understand that you believe there is more to f1 then just driving around in circles (having not played the game, I cannot vouch for this but I am inclined to agree with you) but in turn I also believe there is a lot more to Halo: Reach then just a jetpack. So yes I think both sides need to avoid simplifying the other game as that is usually the start of a flamewar.

Thing is I don't have anything against what you were meaning to say but just the way you said it kind of reeks of accidental insults so that's why I said in part the probation was deserving, not because of what you intended to say but because of how it came across. Still, it wasn't so much you I was mad at, rather at the supposition that for being stirred up by the post the Halo fans are 'getting their panties in a twist'.

Still, I apologize for simplifying your arguments or if by any extension insulting you. Certainly wasn't my intention and I actually almost agree with a few of your points but just reckon you need to make them a little less edgy at points. Mostly I was just directing my anger at the guy who was in turn insulting the Halo community.

 

[imnot]

Dam it why is my country full of fools!

 

[Toasty Virus]

They are completly different types of game, so it doesn't really matter.

Well on whoever made it then.

 

[WelshDanny]

So for one fleeting moment, the Brits show they actually have good taste.


If not good teeth.

HAH!

I honestly have no idea where this stereo type of Brits with bad teeth comes from.

You know Hollywood doesn't represent the WHOLE of the USA's teeth right?

One would assume you're from the west side of the Atlantic Ocean...

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

Sorry but it's true?

No. No it's not. It's all personal opinions and such and I would like you to never use the "what I'm saying is true, sorry" argument again.

That's not to say I like the news. The game's awesome, I'm glad it's doing well.

 

[Wolfram23]

Sorry but it's true?

No. No it's not. It's all personal opinions and such and I would like you to never use the "what I'm saying is true, sorry" argument again.

That's not to say I like the news. The game's awesome, I'm glad it's doing well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taste_(sociology)

Taste as an aesthetic, sociological, economic and anthropological concept refers to a cultural patterns of choice and preference... Taste is about drawing distinctions between things such as styles, manners, consumer goods and works of art. Social inquiry of taste is about the human ability to judge what is beautiful, good and proper.

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Some judgments concerning taste may appear more legitimate than others, but most often there is not a single conception shared by all members of society. People with individual sensibilities are not very unique either. For instance, aesthetic preferences and attendance to various cultural events are associated with education and social origin. Different socioeconomic groups are likely to have different tastes, and it has been suggested that social class is one of the prominent factors structuring taste.

IE: If I find something in taste or in bad taste, it's true. But you can disagree, and that would also be true. Yes it's called a subjective opinion. I can say my opinion is true, and for a good many people (like all those in the UK who chose F1 over Halo) I'm right. But there's a group who would disagree... and they can be right too. You cay say I'm in bad taste for peferring F1 2010, and you can try to give counter arguments to mine and say that what you've said is true. So be it. What I said in my thread, was true. The taste part is subjective yes but according to my arguments it's true.

Sorry, but it's true =P

 

[Dragunai]

Halo: Reach is (from what I gathered of stories from my XBL friends who own it etc) now using the "class system" of Spartans.

Not really, you can customise your armour fit Halo 3 style and change the equipment you spawn with, but really every Spartan plays the same once shooting starts.

Reach's 'innovation' is jetpacks and they are wonderful.

So its Innovation is copying Dark Void? which came out several months ago.
The equipment you spawn in with is basically ripped from BF2 / CoD4
and as you already stated the armour is just ported wholesale from Halo3.

Im planning to buy the game pretty soon so I can actually discuss it with an experienced opinion but thus far it just sounds like another package from the FPS factory.

 

[fix-the-spade]

So its Innovation is copying...

Dude... DUDE, calm down.

Did you not notice the '' around the word innovation? I was being somewhat tongue in cheek.
Anyway, you're second statement is pretty much correct.
If you've played ODST, or Halo CE, than you will already feel right at home playing Reach. Within the world of Halo games there are a few new things jetpacks, a couple of new vehicles and some re-skinned/re-named weapons, but really Reach is just a Halo game, with all that that implies.

That said, I am still enjoying it, very much.

 

[Jimbo1212]

DR was one of the worse games I have ever played, DR2 is not much better. The port onto PC has to be one of the worst ports I have seen in a very long time with terrible voice acting, awful graphics, and a dreadful storyline.
Since Halo 2 the game has barely changed and is now dated compared to most games. They have also destroyed the original storyline to accommodate more games. If that is not fan service and milking the game, I do not know what is.

The gameplay for halo has changed without breaking the core gameplay. The halo Trilogy and ODST are connected with Reach being a Prequel to Halo 1. The events of Reach have a Impact on the rest of the franchise.

Too you and others Dead Rising 1/2 could be the worst game ever but too others it might be the best game ever. Everyone has a differences of opinion on this franchise.

Just read your Halo 1 manual. The needed back story is all there and I know how Reach will end and I have read nothing about the games storyline. Either way the game has barely changed and evolved from the first and the engine is now very dated.
I have never heard of anyone singing about how great Dead Rising was, just how bad and strange it is, and I played DR2 on the PC and it is a truly bad game and a terrible port to make things worse.

 

[irishstormtrooper]

I don't see what the big deal is. Do, F1 2010 sold more than Halo: Reach. That doesn't necessarily make it a better game (since I haven't played either one, I won't make any judgments). However, saying that the more a game sells, the better is is wrong. By that logic, Wii Play is the greatest invention of all time.

 

[NickCooley]

Oh joy another Halo trolling thread. Because these aren't tedious. What's next on the agenda? A thread telling us all how Michael Bay is a bad director? Riveting. EA is evil? How enlightening. MW2 vs BC2? Oh what a titanic clash, clearly one for the history books. I'm sorry I can't stay for your refreshing witticisms as the putrid horse giblets you've flogged from the carcass are making me gag.