UK pedo caught by DSi. Confesses to sex (multiple times) with girl (9-11), Gets 3.5 years. Wat.

[Bloodstain]

an illness in defined as "an unhealthy condition of body or mind" so by social and natural norms wanting to have sex with someone who is prepubescent is an illness... not all illness is physical... the fact that it also happens to be a sexual preference doesn't matter... it's just like how a serial killer is usually considered mentally ill because their thought pattern doesn't fit in with our social rules an norms so is considered "unhealthy" behavior... by definition "unhealthy" can also mean morally contaminated, dangerous or risky... so mental illness is defined as a psychological pattern, potentially reflected in behavior, that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development of a person's culture.

by definition calling a pedophile mentally ill is spot on and not at all presumptuous

again if people took 2 seconds to learn the ACTUAL definition of words it would make things easier to understand

In the end, I guess, everything just boils down to a question of definition. So it is important to say whether "unhealthy condition of body or mind" means "unhealthy towards anyone" or "unhealthy towards himself"...I'm not sure I want to stick with one of those two possibilities just yet. I will have to think about it.

 

[Steel_crab]

This is a correct sentence only if the on release the offender is put alone and unmonitored in a room with the poor girl's parents.

Me and my friend can come up with some pretty elaborate tortures in our 'Ridiculous death-threat if you steal my pokemon team set-up' contests, so I'd love to see what a person with a genuine reason to be vein-burstingly enraged can do in 3 years.

And I still can't get over how lackluster and inconsistent our punishment system is over here.

 

[Bloodstain]

30% of your argument is valid, and points out stupid flaws in stupid arguments. However, the other 70% makes you look like an arrogant toss pot. I'm not going to comment if you are, but I would say this is largely due to your phrasing. I can't disregard you as a tool Immediatley because You DID make some valid points, but in some parts you really came across as a conformist nob.
B+

Well, uh, okay?
To be honest, I have no idea what the point of your response is. You may think of me however you like, and by God knows you don't need me to tell you that. However, just randomly saying "30% is okay, 70% is arrogance" and tossing around insults like "toss pot" or "tool" doesn't really add anything. I mean, I understand that you say it makes me look like one, not that you necessarily think I am one of those things.
But still, what do you think should be my response? Neither did you say what exactly made me seem like that to you, nor did you point out what is wrong. If you wanted me to improve myself, you would have elaborated on what is right and what is wrong with my post, and maybe give advice. You did not, so I don't know what you were trying to achieve.
The only thing I can say to you is: Okay, I understand I made that impression on you.

Edit: But hey, at least a B+. Hooray, I guess?

 

[orangeban]

See, this is the thing about "justice" in America, as compared to Britain. In America they're very big on the idea of punishment, where you throw away criminals for ages so that everyone can crowd round and go, "Thank goodness, they got what they deserved! Now let's all watch as they are brutally raped, beaten and possibly murdered for a decade or two in our terrifying prisons!"

In Britain we used to sign up to this point of view, but then we realised that a punishment focused prison system means a crazy high re-offending rate. So we're (slowly) trying to focus it more on rehabilitation, by making prisons safe, educating prisoners, getting prisoners into work, not giving excessive sentences, stuff like that.

Prisons are basically state-run high-security care-homes. Especially when you consider the number of mentally-ill people and people with difficult backgrounds. So we try to run them like carehomes, rather than treating them as "bins" to throw undesirables into.

 

[Adeptus Aspartem]

These discussion are useless.
The law enforcement in US is based on vengance and "righteouss punishment", while europe uses law enforcement based on repentence/reparation.

You'll never find consens on a mixed eu/us board on that topic.

@topic
Usually sex offenders get jail time and then get locked away in an asylum. Those 3.5y are just the jail time. At least it's like this in my country.

Edit:
Derp, only read the first and second page. Jeah, what the guy above me said

 

[Bloodstain]

Since your post was 90% obtuse bullcrap that danced around the issues, and I don't have the time nor inclination to write a reply of the same length,

Fair enough.

I'll address the main points you brought up:

(1) By saying it may not be paedophilia, I am saying that she gave consent, and thus that it's okay for him to have had sex with her

Considering that she filmed it and showed it to her mother, I think it is safe to say that she was having sex against her will, i.e., that she was raped.

Well, don't let it be said we didn't agree on anything. Yes, of course she was raped. And, as a result, her rapist should be put away for a long period of time until he is proved mentally capable of re-integrating into society (and if he doesn't prove capable, he shouldn't be allowed back in). I would argue that someone who has shown a propensity to brutally violate the human rights of children doesn't have anything to contribute to society and shouldn't be allowed back in in the first place, however.

Yes, we agree there, except for the last part. I wouldn't say that such people have nothing to contribute, nor do I think they can never change. Besides, if we go that way, one could say "Anyone who has the propensity to disregard other people's rights shouldn't be allowed in society"...and suddenly, society would be very, very small. I think everyone has at least the potential to disregard such rights, and many do so (albeit in minor cases, but still).

Also, your semantic arguments are extremely irrelevant. The issue here is not whether or not this can be considered "pedophilia" by your obtuse and complicated specifications, rather the issue is that he REPEATEDLY RAPED A PREPUBESCENT GIRL OVER THE COURSE OF TWO YEARS. Call it what you want, address it however you want, the man's fucking sick and committed a heinous crime.

Of course they are irrelevant, that's why that was only a short sentence at the end of my original post. An afterthought, if you will. I just mentioned it because it annoys me how some journalists include words like "paedophile", "rapist", "racists" out of place to create rage among the audience. Someone else actually replied to it, discussing semantics...so I am afraid you understood it wrongly.

(2) Because of enjoying anime, I am fine with raping children

Well, it actually may surprise you to learn that I am not fine with raping children. In fact, I am unfine with raping children.

That's not the issue here. Many animes (plural?) depict children in a highly sexual and unrealistic manner, and those who watch it can (most people never do) come under the illusion that this false depiction is how children are in real life.

Thus, they see these children in these animes doing... anime things and come up with ideas that are completely false, in this case the idea that prepubescent children are perfectly capable of consenting to sex. That is not the case.

I'm sorry, but when I see someone with an anime avatar (depicting a child no less) defending pedophilia on a message board, I'm going to make assumptions based on prior experience.

Don't ask me about the plural, I honestly have no idea.

Well, I have worked with children a lot (I worked in a primary school for a while), I have a large family with children, as well as siblings who are still children...and as mentioned before, I am not what people would call an 'otaku' or even a 'massive anime fan', not in the least. Anime, to me, is just another form of passive medial entertainment; animes (?) are just television shows without the holy status some people seem to attach to it. Just like people use, for example, House MD avatars, I used an avatar that depicts a character I enjoyed.
I don't regard children as little plushy thingies with huge faces that one can have sex with at will.
But yes, I know what kind of people you mean. If you want a strong headache, visit 4chan's /jp/.
[small]The agony...[/small]

 

[Bloodstain]

an illness in defined as "an unhealthy condition of body or mind" so by social and natural norms wanting to have sex with someone who is prepubescent is an illness... not all illness is physical... the fact that it also happens to be a sexual preference doesn't matter... it's just like how a serial killer is usually considered mentally ill because their thought pattern doesn't fit in with our social rules an norms so is considered "unhealthy" behavior... by definition "unhealthy" can also mean morally contaminated, dangerous or risky... so mental illness is defined as a psychological pattern, potentially reflected in behavior, that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development of a person's culture.

by definition calling a pedophile mentally ill is spot on and not at all presumptuous

again if people took 2 seconds to learn the ACTUAL definition of words it would make things easier to understand

In the end, I guess, everything just boils down to a question of definition. So it is important to say whether "unhealthy condition of body or mind" means "unhealthy towards anyone" or "unhealthy towards himself"...I'm not sure I want to stick with one of those two possibilities just yet. I will have to think about it.

well you could just go with both in this case... the original action was unhealthy toward some else and is considered against societal norms... and when society sees you as against them it becomes very unhealthy for you... so committing the action is now unhealthy toward both others and yourself... lol

We can probably agree that it's...well...not the smartest thing to enrage society.

 

[Griffolion]

-snip-

I actually read the OP and a few posts down. Judging by what was being said, I said what I said. I'm sorry if you didn't agree with that.

 

[Bloodstain]

Basically I was trying not to insult you hastily, thus avoiding saying "You ARE an arrogant toss pot". With your post I had to read a few times before I actually noticed anything valid you had said, because you appeared to be such an asshole. My main point was that making decent points is all very well and good, but it doesn't matter if you end up coming across as a twat, as thats the thing people focus on. For example, I could make millions of points all amazingly thought out about, I dunno, The prevention of the death penalty or something, but, if I wrote it in a way that seemed arrogant or pompous no one would care, even if I had the most compelling argument ever. Basically, you make great points but may want to think about how you word them. Your writing in general does convey an attitude of "I'm better than you" but I can tell from your response you aren't actually like that. No personal digs intended, I'm just saying, better phrasing dude. Also, response aren't necessary for this, its just an FYI kinda thing. However, If you feel the need to insult me in some form of response, please do.
(B+ is a yahtzee reference- can't believe no-one got that )

I got that much...as I said, I understand that you meant I only seemed, not am that way. But, um, it doesn't really help if you don't say what exactly made me seem like that.

Anyway. I am used to phrase everything very carefully... I am striving to work in the field of philosophy, where single words can make a huge difference. In written language, I try to write as unambiguously as possible (unless it's intended), and read every sentence as such. So it may seem like my style of writing is overly-sophisticated, when it's just me trying to make sure it's udnerstood exactly they way I intend it to be understood.

Ah, that reference. I am sorry, giving grades on the internet is common enough, so I didn't notice.
[small]Resisting the urge to retort with "Well, 4ck you"...gah...[/small]

 

[Bloodstain]

Snip

Something else: Don't you too think that the article is a bit fishy? There is too little information. After not saying anything, she decides to take a picture? And how did she take it? The DSi makes a noise when taking a photo, and I think you have to hold it as well...

Also, there isn't anything mentioned about possible mental diseases. I believe other posters here did more research on the situation.

Something just seems...off about this article to me.

 

[Seanfall]

Isn't 9-11 a little old for it be actual paedophilia?

Its actually in the right age range for pedophilia. Pedophilia is the attraction to children who had not yet gone through puberty.

....What happened to the good old days when we use to Hang these mother fuckers?

We kinda grew the fuck up and stopped being barbarians and decided "Ya know, it probably would be a tad hypocritical to fucking hang people over a mental defect." :/

Again explain to me, and give me some cited example of how it is a mental Defect? Cause so far people saying it is doesn't make it so. And rather it is or isn't. Means jack. If it IS, which I don't think it is, that means that no amount of self control can or will fix him, meaning he needs to be separated or put down. This isn't some guy like Rain man or Forrest Gump this is a guy who raped and molested a kid. Big freaking difference.

 

[Seanfall]

You assuming those who posted that give a crap about the abuser. I for one don't. I don't care about 'rehabilitation' I don't care if he was handicapped. I don't care if he gets shanked in prison. I don't care about him period. And as for pedophilia being 'fixed' Where's your source on that? Cause as far as I know there's no cure or fix. I know people who live their life's fighting the urges and don't give in but I have am not now nor was I ever aware of a 'cure' for this. The only cure is a bullet to the head.

So I suppose we should just take everyone with a mental illness that can be treated out back & put a bullet in their skull? Literally two minutes on wikipedia would show that paedophilia can be managed in the same way as any other disease. Leave it to the professionals to decide the best course of treatment.

WELL YA SEE BOYS WAT YA DO IS U TAKE UR SHOTGUN AND SHOOT HIS BALLS OFF

DAMN PEDOS IN MY COUNTRY, THEY DONT DESERVE TO LIVE

Brilliant summary of this entire thread. It's surprising to see so many respones like this on here.

And I'm surprised so many people are making the claim that it's a 'mental illness;' that can be treated. Cause I've never heard of such of a thing short of a lobotomy. (something that I wouldn't wish on even them. Cause I think that's worse then death.) Please give me an example, a source, until then I'll stick to 'let's hang the pedo's who ruin innocent childern's lives cause they want to get off.' Also realize this: people where angry, upset, and this is a way to vent. I'm sure most of the people who posted that realize it's hyperbole but we needed to vent. And deep down inside all of us is a primitive part of the human mind and soul that revels at the suffering of people like this.

 

[MammothBlade]

Apparently no-one here has the ability to read secondary sources, because they alone have said that the abuser has borderline learning disabilities, and is getting a whole lot of treatment that goes far beyond 3.5 years.

You don't need to go to jail for hundreds of years to have effective punishment/rehabilitation.

Please, you don't expect people to read, do you? I guess we're lucky people like this fellow aren't the ones making up the rules:

Bloody Hell, this is a complete f**king travesty of justice. He needs to be castrated, painfully.

And we should cut off thieves' hands too, am I right? You know, like a civilised society. Overblown, emotional responses help precisely no one.

Children are taught to react to situations and issues (relative to their age, obviously) better than you just have.

Haha, no. It's a completely different crime. I support forced labour for thieves. They will put their hands to socially beneficial use.

Male sex offenders should be castrated as their corrupted sexuality is the source of their crimes, and their manhood is offensive to their victims.

Rather, provided you're a nice person you're unlucky you don't have people such as I making up the rules, violent criminals and sexual predators would be an endangered species.

And that's only page 1.

For such an "enlightened" society you are all shockingly morbid. The guy committed a crime and he will be punished, your medieval style justice helps no one and would most likely make the issue worse.

I don't think I like your idea of "enlightened".

Far from being barbaric or medieval as you call it, a strong justice system is a characteristic of a modern, civilised society. In my view, that means strong, often physical punishments for those who prey upon those weaker than them. Rehabilitation is an afterthought. The victim's rights are paramount.

 

[Woodsey]

Apparently no-one here has the ability to read secondary sources, because they alone have said that the abuser has borderline learning disabilities, and is getting a whole lot of treatment that goes far beyond 3.5 years.

You don't need to go to jail for hundreds of years to have effective punishment/rehabilitation.

Please, you don't expect people to read, do you? I guess we're lucky people like this fellow aren't the ones making up the rules:

Bloody Hell, this is a complete f**king travesty of justice. He needs to be castrated, painfully.

And we should cut off thieves' hands too, am I right? You know, like a civilised society. Overblown, emotional responses help precisely no one.

Children are taught to react to situations and issues (relative to their age, obviously) better than you just have.

Haha, no. It's a completely different crime. I support forced labour for thieves. They will put their hands to socially beneficial use.

Male sex offenders should be castrated as their corrupted sexuality is the source of their crimes, and their manhood is offensive to their victims.

Rather, provided you're a nice person you're unlucky you don't have people such as I making up the rules, violent criminals and sex offenders would be an endangered species.

And what if they're wrongly convicted? Or does your made up, psychopathic justice system also lay claim to a 100% correct conviction rate?

 

[JCBFGD]

Justice hasn't been served. Justice would be him castrated and tortured by his fellow inmates, before his time on death row is up.

Why should the guy be tortured? I could guarantee that if he committed murder you wouldn't say that.

I'm pretty cold when it comes to treatment of violent/sexual criminals. As such, I wouldn't at all care if a murderer was tortured. If he's not, fine. If he is, yay.

I think sexual criminals are more deserving of torture. Rather than putting someone out of their misery, they leave their victims to stew in it for the rest of their lives. Just my opinion on the whole thing.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

Isn't 9-11 a little old for it be actual paedophilia?

Its actually in the right age range for pedophilia. Pedophilia is the attraction to children who had not yet gone through puberty.

....What happened to the good old days when we use to Hang these mother fuckers?

We kinda grew the fuck up and stopped being barbarians and decided "Ya know, it probably would be a tad hypocritical to fucking hang people over a mental defect." :/

Again explain to me, and give me some cited example of how it is a mental Defect? Cause so far people saying it is doesn't make it so. And rather it is or isn't. Means jack. If it IS, which I don't think it is, that means that no amount of self control can or will fix him, meaning he needs to be separated or put down. This isn't some guy like Rain man or Forrest Gump this is a guy who raped and molested a kid. Big freaking difference.

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, or paedophilia, is defined as a psychiatric disorder... [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#cite_note-dsm4-0]

If you don't like Wikipedia, may I suggest Encylopedia Britannica, which says the exact same thing in the very first line. I don't know who you're talking to, but they're wrong. It is a disorder of the brain.

And again, no! They can not be killed or lose their right to liberty without due process. Its a basic fundamental right that all men and woman have. Even then, just because he suffers from said disorder, its no reason to send him off to a deserted island. There are several people who have been diagnosed with Pedophilia that don't act on the urges, including several celebrities.

Its honestly bad enough that you push for the fucking death sentence, now you wanna deny people civil liabilities?