UK pedo caught by DSi. Confesses to sex (multiple times) with girl (9-11), Gets 3.5 years. Wat.

[MammothBlade]

Apparently no-one here has the ability to read secondary sources, because they alone have said that the abuser has borderline learning disabilities, and is getting a whole lot of treatment that goes far beyond 3.5 years.

You don't need to go to jail for hundreds of years to have effective punishment/rehabilitation.

Please, you don't expect people to read, do you? I guess we're lucky people like this fellow aren't the ones making up the rules:

Bloody Hell, this is a complete f**king travesty of justice. He needs to be castrated, painfully.

And we should cut off thieves' hands too, am I right? You know, like a civilised society. Overblown, emotional responses help precisely no one.

Children are taught to react to situations and issues (relative to their age, obviously) better than you just have.

Haha, no. It's a completely different crime. I support forced labour for thieves. They will put their hands to socially beneficial use.

Male sex offenders should be castrated as their corrupted sexuality is the source of their crimes, and their manhood is offensive to their victims.

Rather, provided you're a nice person you're unlucky you don't have people such as I making up the rules, violent criminals and sex offenders would be an endangered species.

And what if they're wrongly convicted? Or does your made up, psychopathic justice system also lay claim to a 100% correct conviction rate?

There would be an evidence threshold. In this case, there is more than enough evidence to secure a definite conviction. With less sturdy convictions, reversible chemical castration could be considered. Nothing psychopathic about it.

 

[waj9876]

Well, I have no idea what I should think. Sure the guy should be locked up, and I feel bad for the girl. But all these people saying he should be tortured, raped, and killed are coming across as the kinds of people who would do/would wish upon others the same things this man did. Just not to the kind of person he did it to.

Rehabilitation is an afterthought. The victim's rights are paramount.

I'm sorry, please elaborate on this. It sounds like you're saying the victim has a right to torture and do exactly as the person did to them. But that can't be, everything else you said sounded so intelligent and actually made sense.

 

[Woodsey]

Apparently no-one here has the ability to read secondary sources, because they alone have said that the abuser has borderline learning disabilities, and is getting a whole lot of treatment that goes far beyond 3.5 years.

You don't need to go to jail for hundreds of years to have effective punishment/rehabilitation.

Please, you don't expect people to read, do you? I guess we're lucky people like this fellow aren't the ones making up the rules:

Bloody Hell, this is a complete f**king travesty of justice. He needs to be castrated, painfully.

And we should cut off thieves' hands too, am I right? You know, like a civilised society. Overblown, emotional responses help precisely no one.

Children are taught to react to situations and issues (relative to their age, obviously) better than you just have.

Haha, no. It's a completely different crime. I support forced labour for thieves. They will put their hands to socially beneficial use.

Male sex offenders should be castrated as their corrupted sexuality is the source of their crimes, and their manhood is offensive to their victims.

Rather, provided you're a nice person you're unlucky you don't have people such as I making up the rules, violent criminals and sex offenders would be an endangered species.

And what if they're wrongly convicted? Or does your made up, psychopathic justice system also lay claim to a 100% correct conviction rate?

There would be an evidence threshold. In this case, there is more than enough evidence to secure a definite conviction. With less sturdy convictions, reversible chemical castration could be considered. Nothing psychopathic about it.

A leaning towards remorseless violence and bodily harm. That's psychopathic.

 

[Seanfall]

Isn't 9-11 a little old for it be actual paedophilia?

Its actually in the right age range for pedophilia. Pedophilia is the attraction to children who had not yet gone through puberty.

....What happened to the good old days when we use to Hang these mother fuckers?

We kinda grew the fuck up and stopped being barbarians and decided "Ya know, it probably would be a tad hypocritical to fucking hang people over a mental defect." :/

Again explain to me, and give me some cited example of how it is a mental Defect? Cause so far people saying it is doesn't make it so. And rather it is or isn't. Means jack. If it IS, which I don't think it is, that means that no amount of self control can or will fix him, meaning he needs to be separated or put down. This isn't some guy like Rain man or Forrest Gump this is a guy who raped and molested a kid. Big freaking difference.

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, or paedophilia, is defined as a psychiatric disorder... [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#cite_note-dsm4-0]

If you don't like Wikipedia, may I suggest Encylopedia Britannica, which says the exact same thing in the very first line. I don't know who you're talking to, but they're wrong. It is a disorder of the brain.

And again, no! They can not be killed or lose their right to liberty without due process. Its a basic fundamental right that all men and woman have. Even then, just because he suffers from said disorder, its no reason to send him off to a deserted island. There are several people who have been diagnosed with Pedophilia that don't act on the urges, including several celebrities.

Its honestly bad enough that you push for the fucking death sentence, now you wanna deny people civil liabilities?

I know people life with pedophilic urges and don't act on them. BUT HE DID! And Yes I think Pedophiles should get the Death Sentence. And while the link and suggestion's you have provided do give evidence and credence to the defect idea. I don't think that should excuse what's he done. Cause there is none, and if it is that starts a slippery slope. What's next? We excuse robbery, murder, manslaughter cause the guy had a headache? And the thing is there are some abusers who aren't mentally defected like this.

It's just such a henius evil crime that I can't wrap my mind around it. And the idea that it can be labeled as a defect just seems....like an excuse to me where their shouldn't be one. Like we as humans can't handle that people would do this of their will so we decide that we simply can't unless something was wrong. And in some cases like you've provided it may very well be. But it strikes me more as a failing of the human soul then the human mind.

What he did was wrong, I think you agree with me in that. He deserves to be punished and the punishment should fit the crime.

 

[MammothBlade]

I'm sorry, please elaborate on this. It sounds like you're saying the victim has a right to torture and do exactly as the person did to them. But that can't be, everything else you said sounded so intelligent and actually made sense.

It's not that the victim has a right to torture the offender - and they definitely shouldn't - but that the punishment for infringing a victim's rights comes before the prospect of rehabilitation.

 

[Bloodstain]

Your responses to people were the parts that seemed arrogant... I know the point was that its a put down but it ended up being less of a zing and more of a: "That bloodstain dude sounds like a douche". its better to actually insult them while criticising them than to insinuate you might insult them, which is what you mostly seemed to be doing.
(On an unrelated note, while I disagree with them I can see why its easy for some people ((Who don't have a concept of reading a post properly)) to jump to the conclusion of someone "Defending" pedophilia if they have an anime avatar, but then it could be said people with comic icons must be sexist. Or shout alot.)

I don't like outright insulting people...to me, openly insulting people is what people do when they don't have any actual arguments to give. I.e., a sign of argumentative weakness. But that's only my view, it seems.

I can understand that as well, especially considering that this is the Japan-loving internet...I just ask that people judge me differently once I explain that I am not an otaku or Japan-fanboy.
With that logic, any avatar could be extrapolated from...oh Lord, just think about the people who have bloody avatars.

 

[waj9876]

It's not that the victim has a right to torture the offender - and they definitely shouldn't - but that the punishment for infringing a victim's rights comes before the prospect of rehabilitation.

Ah, right, sorry about the confusion. In complete agreement with you there.

 

[Terramax]

3.5 years.

And when he gets out, he'll fucking do the exact same thing again.

Justice? What justice?

Counciling?

 

[maddawg IAJI]

Isn't 9-11 a little old for it be actual paedophilia?

Its actually in the right age range for pedophilia. Pedophilia is the attraction to children who had not yet gone through puberty.

....What happened to the good old days when we use to Hang these mother fuckers?

We kinda grew the fuck up and stopped being barbarians and decided "Ya know, it probably would be a tad hypocritical to fucking hang people over a mental defect." :/

Again explain to me, and give me some cited example of how it is a mental Defect? Cause so far people saying it is doesn't make it so. And rather it is or isn't. Means jack. If it IS, which I don't think it is, that means that no amount of self control can or will fix him, meaning he needs to be separated or put down. This isn't some guy like Rain man or Forrest Gump this is a guy who raped and molested a kid. Big freaking difference.

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, or paedophilia, is defined as a psychiatric disorder... [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#cite_note-dsm4-0]

If you don't like Wikipedia, may I suggest Encylopedia Britannica, which says the exact same thing in the very first line. I don't know who you're talking to, but they're wrong. It is a disorder of the brain.

And again, no! They can not be killed or lose their right to liberty without due process. Its a basic fundamental right that all men and woman have. Even then, just because he suffers from said disorder, its no reason to send him off to a deserted island. There are several people who have been diagnosed with Pedophilia that don't act on the urges, including several celebrities.

Its honestly bad enough that you push for the fucking death sentence, now you wanna deny people civil liabilities?

I know people life with pedophilic urges and don't act on them. BUT HE DID! And Yes I think Pedophiles should get the Death Sentence.

I stopped reading right here. I don't give a fuck what you have to say anymore. I'm not arguing with someone who thinks that a man who actually got a harsher sentence then the national average for his crime should be put the death. You have no grasp of what the purpose of law and punishment is if you think the death sentence is a reasonable punishment.

 

[Woodsey]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. . . we need a Chinese-style system of law and order.

Presumably you're either lying about having said that before, or you have an extremely thick skin, because I'm sure its not nice to have people fall off of their chairs laughing at you.

I stopped reading right here. I don't give a fuck what you have to say anymore. I'm not arguing with someone who thinks that a man who actually got a harsher sentence then the national average for his crime should be put the death. You have no grasp of what the purpose of law and punishment is if you think the death sentence is a reasonable punishment.

Doesn't it amaze you that 3-year-old children have a better grasp on seeing the stupidity of the 'eye for an eye' concept, than do people at least 5 times their age?

 

[MammothBlade]

Apparently no-one here has the ability to read secondary sources, because they alone have said that the abuser has borderline learning disabilities, and is getting a whole lot of treatment that goes far beyond 3.5 years.

You don't need to go to jail for hundreds of years to have effective punishment/rehabilitation.

Please, you don't expect people to read, do you? I guess we're lucky people like this fellow aren't the ones making up the rules:

Bloody Hell, this is a complete f**king travesty of justice. He needs to be castrated, painfully.

And we should cut off thieves' hands too, am I right? You know, like a civilised society. Overblown, emotional responses help precisely no one.

Children are taught to react to situations and issues (relative to their age, obviously) better than you just have.

Haha, no. It's a completely different crime. I support forced labour for thieves. They will put their hands to socially beneficial use.

Male sex offenders should be castrated as their corrupted sexuality is the source of their crimes, and their manhood is offensive to their victims.

Rather, provided you're a nice person you're unlucky you don't have people such as I making up the rules, violent criminals and sex offenders would be an endangered species.

And what if they're wrongly convicted? Or does your made up, psychopathic justice system also lay claim to a 100% correct conviction rate?

There would be an evidence threshold. In this case, there is more than enough evidence to secure a definite conviction. With less sturdy convictions, reversible chemical castration could be considered. Nothing psychopathic about it.

A leaning towards remorseless violence and bodily harm. That's psychopathic.

No it's not. It is proportionate to the severity of the crime and the potential suffering of the victim. It takes into account that it is unfair to punish someone beyond the extent of their crimes.

 

[Risingblade]

Yeesh, the amount of calls for castration and execution is pretty disgusting. If you want those kind of sentences for paedophiles there is a place you can go live for that, it's called Iran.

Most people react quite emotionally to these kinds of things, it's not that they really want him to be castrated (mostly) but they are full of rage at the person.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

All I can say, is that I'm glad a lot of people in this thread do not work in the judicial system.

The prospect absolutely terrifies me...

 

[Sean Steele]

Oh for fuck's sake. Yes, it's a pathetically short sentence. But you know what?

Bloody Hell, this is a complete f**king travesty of justice. He needs to be castrated, painfully.

Dude needs to suffer more than two "offences of assault by penetration" while he's doing time.

hopefully he has an "accident" while in prison, and his life slowly ebbs from his rotting corpse.

Should have chopped his hand off then threw him behind bars.

....What happened to the good old days when we use to Hang these mother fuckers?

So lets ignore the fact that pedophilia actually isn't the result of demonic possession, it's a psychological malfunction that can probably be "fixed" with enough effort. And even if he HAD done this just because he's a terrible person who likes making others suffer, how exactly does horribly killing him make the world SUCH a better place then if we just toss him in a cell for the rest of his life? Oh, and then there's this:

Apparently no-one here has the ability to read secondary sources, because they alone have said that the abuser has borderline learning disabilities, and is getting a whole lot of treatment that goes far beyond 3.5 years.

You don't need to go to jail for hundreds of years to have effective punishment/rehabilitation.

Put in bold to get people's attention. Not that it'll help.

You assuming those who posted that give a crap about the abuser. I for one don't. I don't care about 'rehabilitation' I don't care if he was handicapped. I don't care if he gets shanked in prison. I don't care about him period. And as for pedophilia being 'fixed' Where's your source on that? Cause as far as I know there's no cure or fix. I know people who live their life's fighting the urges and don't give in but I have am not now nor was I ever aware of a 'cure' for this. The only cure is a bullet to the head.

Which is why justice is not in your hands, that's revenge, that's the cathartic pleasure you receive in seeing someone you don't like suffer. Justice is not passionate, it is not emotional it is pure and deliberate and methodical. If you wish for revenge go join the dark ages.