UK pedo caught by DSi. Confesses to sex (multiple times) with girl (9-11), Gets 3.5 years. Wat.

[mattttherman3]

Actually, a lit of the western world doesnt punish harshly for anything other than first or second degree murder. Budget reasons methinks.

 

[ProtoChimp]

Oy...my granpa convinced the (literally) retarded girl who came to clean his house to give him a BJ, and all he got was five years plus probation. Sex offenses always seem to be sentenced lightly unless it's like, full-on hard core rape.
Then again, usually it seems like they give light sentences so they don't have to protect them from the rest of the prison's population for very long. Because that's probably the harshest part of any rapists, especially pedos, sentences: the other prisoners.

They put pedo's in special places. Mate of mine's dad went to prison for robbing a car, every time a pedo was being taking through the cells everyone shouted "monster". Even the rapists who weren't pedos, so they put them in a special place to not get murdered. I swear to God I am leaving England fucking as soon as possible.

 

[Treblaine]

Well I did hear a rationalist argument to reserve the harsher punishments.

Consider a justice system where rape was given the highest punishment: capital punishment. A rapist would then be in a position where he would be better off if he killed his victim than to let her live as there would be no witness. Over centuries justice systems have adapted by pure pragmatism to have lower sentences for lower offences. There was a time when pick-pocketing was a crime that could have you hanged...

Now in this case it appears it was not as bad as it could have been, it seem the criminal did not actually rape the poor girl. For those calling for the maximum punishment for this assault, don't they realise that there is then no deterrent for his criminal to go far further, doing all sorts of horrible things and then killing and destroying the body to reduce witness/evidence against them.

Yes, this extends to murder. I don't think the death sentence should be applied for a single murder by decision of snap judgement. But those who repeatedly and calculatingly kill. So, for example, if in a bank robbery a robber panics and shoots a hostage that is murder but they are surrounded by the police. If he faced the death penalty for that callous but rash act then he has every incentive to try to shoot his way out as he is DEFINITELY dead if he is captured and sentenced, but could live in a shootout with police.

I think most people can appreciate the idea of punishment as a deterrent that goes beyond "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth".

But it's academic in the UK as our government is incapable of administering the death sentence any more, repeatedly the Parliament has been given a free vote to bring it back and rejected it. It doesn't help that the UK's chief executioner of the 1960's spoke out against it as even with the most despicable child torturers and killers he found it unbearable to kill.

In the UK the highest penalty is a whole-life-sentence, which means 15 years before parole but the likelihood to spend the rest of their life in prison. That is for the worst horror movie shit the sickest mind could possibly come up with.

Now considering the full breadth of criminal barbarity that psychopaths have committed against children, that would face the highest penalty is 15 years before parole consideration, you could say what he did was 3.5/15th as bad as the worst he could have done. I think the 3.5-number is most likely 3.5 at a minimum which would be before the parole considerations.

An alternative to criminal prosecution is to section the perpetrator under the Mental Health act and declare his Paedophilia a mental-disorder than must be cured before he can ever be released. But realise, he might never be "cured" and live the rest of his life in a mental hospital, or he may be completely cured in 6 months and released. Is that preferable? Could his considering even be classified as a mental disorder, I mean we don't section men who rape women trying to "cure their heterosexuality" we recognise that regardless of their desires they followed them regardless of their victim's feelings.

Don't doubt that 3.5 years in prison will be HELL for a convicted pedophile, and he'll have to live with that for the rest of his life (if he even survives) and won't get any sympathy for it and even if he is released at the parole opportunity. No chance of any job and likely no government or family/friends support. Considering the grand scheme of things I think this verdict is acceptable.

 

[Seanfall]

Isn't 9-11 a little old for it be actual paedophilia?

Its actually in the right age range for pedophilia. Pedophilia is the attraction to children who had not yet gone through puberty.

....What happened to the good old days when we use to Hang these mother fuckers?

We kinda grew the fuck up and stopped being barbarians and decided "Ya know, it probably would be a tad hypocritical to fucking hang people over a mental defect." :/

Again explain to me, and give me some cited example of how it is a mental Defect? Cause so far people saying it is doesn't make it so. And rather it is or isn't. Means jack. If it IS, which I don't think it is, that means that no amount of self control can or will fix him, meaning he needs to be separated or put down. This isn't some guy like Rain man or Forrest Gump this is a guy who raped and molested a kid. Big freaking difference.

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, or paedophilia, is defined as a psychiatric disorder... [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#cite_note-dsm4-0]

If you don't like Wikipedia, may I suggest Encylopedia Britannica, which says the exact same thing in the very first line. I don't know who you're talking to, but they're wrong. It is a disorder of the brain.

And again, no! They can not be killed or lose their right to liberty without due process. Its a basic fundamental right that all men and woman have. Even then, just because he suffers from said disorder, its no reason to send him off to a deserted island. There are several people who have been diagnosed with Pedophilia that don't act on the urges, including several celebrities.

Its honestly bad enough that you push for the fucking death sentence, now you wanna deny people civil liabilities?

I know people life with pedophilic urges and don't act on them. BUT HE DID! And Yes I think Pedophiles should get the Death Sentence.

I stopped reading right here. I don't give a fuck what you have to say anymore. I'm not arguing with someone who thinks that a man who actually got a harsher sentence then the national average for his crime should be put the death. You have no grasp of what the purpose of law and punishment is if you think the death sentence is a reasonable punishment.

News Flash: The Death Sentence is used in a lot of states. It's legal. We just need to broaden who can be given it.

News Flash: This happened in the UK, where the death sentence is illegal. Even then, it doesn't even fucking matter because the death sentence doesn't fucking work. It doesn't rehabilitate the detained (How can you when they're dead?) and it doesn't intimidate (States with the death sentence actually have far higher crime rates then most who don't.) Even then, the supreme court ruled you can't give the death sentence for those guilty of rape, which is what this is! Statutory Rape!

Look up Kennedy v. Louisiana and see for yourself.

Never said I cared about Rehabilitation. And again I said it should be expanded on.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

Isn't 9-11 a little old for it be actual paedophilia?

Its actually in the right age range for pedophilia. Pedophilia is the attraction to children who had not yet gone through puberty.

....What happened to the good old days when we use to Hang these mother fuckers?

We kinda grew the fuck up and stopped being barbarians and decided "Ya know, it probably would be a tad hypocritical to fucking hang people over a mental defect." :/

Again explain to me, and give me some cited example of how it is a mental Defect? Cause so far people saying it is doesn't make it so. And rather it is or isn't. Means jack. If it IS, which I don't think it is, that means that no amount of self control can or will fix him, meaning he needs to be separated or put down. This isn't some guy like Rain man or Forrest Gump this is a guy who raped and molested a kid. Big freaking difference.

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, or paedophilia, is defined as a psychiatric disorder... [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#cite_note-dsm4-0]

If you don't like Wikipedia, may I suggest Encylopedia Britannica, which says the exact same thing in the very first line. I don't know who you're talking to, but they're wrong. It is a disorder of the brain.

And again, no! They can not be killed or lose their right to liberty without due process. Its a basic fundamental right that all men and woman have. Even then, just because he suffers from said disorder, its no reason to send him off to a deserted island. There are several people who have been diagnosed with Pedophilia that don't act on the urges, including several celebrities.

Its honestly bad enough that you push for the fucking death sentence, now you wanna deny people civil liabilities?

I know people life with pedophilic urges and don't act on them. BUT HE DID! And Yes I think Pedophiles should get the Death Sentence.

I stopped reading right here. I don't give a fuck what you have to say anymore. I'm not arguing with someone who thinks that a man who actually got a harsher sentence then the national average for his crime should be put the death. You have no grasp of what the purpose of law and punishment is if you think the death sentence is a reasonable punishment.

News Flash: The Death Sentence is used in a lot of states. It's legal. We just need to broaden who can be given it.

News Flash: This happened in the UK, where the death sentence is illegal. Even then, it doesn't even fucking matter because the death sentence doesn't fucking work. It doesn't rehabilitate the detained (How can you when they're dead?) and it doesn't intimidate (States with the death sentence actually have far higher crime rates then most who don't.) Even then, the supreme court ruled you can't give the death sentence for those guilty of rape, which is what this is! Statutory Rape!

Look up Kennedy v. Louisiana and see for yourself.

Never said I cared about Rehabilitation. And again I said it should be expanded on.

Well too fucking bad, because without rehabilitation, we'd be up to our motherfucking eye balls in prisoners. And again, too fucking bad, its already been ruled as unconstitutional by the supreme court of the US. To expand it, you'd either have to become president and replace at least 5 members of the supreme court or you'd have to get rid of the constitution, both of which aren't reasonable options. And even then, you couldn't do anything to this man because he is in the UK.

Just face it dude, you have an unreasonable sense of justice and seem harbor far too much of a grudge for a man who got the right punishment for his crime.

 

[ProtoChimp]

Oy...my granpa convinced the (literally) retarded girl who came to clean his house to give him a BJ, and all he got was five years plus probation. Sex offenses always seem to be sentenced lightly unless it's like, full-on hard core rape.
Then again, usually it seems like they give light sentences so they don't have to protect them from the rest of the prison's population for very long. Because that's probably the harshest part of any rapists, especially pedos, sentences: the other prisoners.

They put pedo's in special places. Mate of mine's dad went to prison for robbing a car, every time a pedo was being taking through the cells everyone shouted "monster". Even the rapists who weren't pedos, so they put them in a special place to not get murdered. I swear to God I am leaving England fucking as soon as possible.

You want to leave because convicted pedophiles are kept separate so they don't get murdered?

No, that was an overeaction, there's just a lot of things that piss me off about politics and the legal system in England. Plus there's some good prospects for me in America, or Japan if I turn full on weeaboo.

 

[Zorg Machine]

Wow. There are a lot of damn savages in this thread. Personally, I believe that the people who want to kill this asshole are every bit as monstrous as he is...almost as much anyway. I believe in rehabilitation because I think that maybe, just maybe it would be a good idea to stop killing each other and calling it "the right thing to do" or saying "he/she deserved it" because whoever does that is a murderer. I strongly believe that any jury or judge that has sentenced a person to death is committing an action as atrocious as the murder of an innocent man. Of course, I am in no way saying that they should be punished because the law currently allows murder in some places of the world.

Sorry if my words caused offense but I consider the death penalty to be the most despicable thing "modern civilization" still keeps around from the stone age.

OT:That's a really low prison sentence but it seems like they are continuing treatment outside the prison so I guess that's fine as long as they keep him under strict surveillance. Best of luck to everyone involved.

Edit: after looking through the threads some more I realized that some people are saying "I don't believe in/care about rehabilitation and the criminals should just be punished more severely"...this is not only fundamentally wrong but stupid on so many levels. It takes a very special outlook on life to think like that and I'm starting to wonder if common decency and goodwill towards your fellow man (yes that sounds like something from an especially preachy children's show, deal with it) is actually making progress or not.

 

[omega 616]

3.5 years.

And when he gets out, he'll fucking do the exact same thing again.

Justice? What justice?

I give him a year before he gets killed, unless he gets put in a special section where they can swap abuse stories.

Yeah, it's disgusting but the OP says "Don't a few people here seem to rail against the US justice system for being ridiculous a lot?" we know our justice is messed up, we don't defend it ... police shoot and kill X is 90% of the time defended by Americans.

Yes, I did pull 90% out of my ass, what of it?

 

[Bloodstain]

I can understand that as well, especially considering that this is the Japan-loving internet...I just ask that people judge me differently once I explain that I am not an otaku or Japan-fanboy.
With that logic, any avatar could be extrapolated from...oh Lord, just think about the people who have bloody avatars.

which is why I chose a totally neutral 100 percent non-offensive avatar

Maybe I should follow suit. But some people already recognise me on the forums. I think that if I changed my avatar, they wouldn't recognise me anymore.

 

[Cheery Lunatic]

I have to say this thread is filled with some very irritating people on both extreme sides of the spectrum.

We got psychopaths with a very extreme sense of justice, and then we have hippies who want to hold the criminal's hand.

Oh Escapist.

 

[Robert Ewing]

Erm, no actually, I was thinking more Japan, China, India, South Korea, America. Not a country that doesn't freaking exist any more...

I'm sure we all secretly wish we were born in China or India.

I mean, deep down, you just know not being able to browse google would be awesome, or how pleasant sweatshops are.

I'm pretty sure I wrote that they were swell places to live. OH WAIT. I never said anything about the standard of life. But as we're on the subject.

South Korea and Japan enjoy some of the best qualities of life in the world. While India and China are terri- oh, quite in the middle actually. The only reason you think so lowly of them is because the west is so pants wettingly terrified of them, not to say they shouldn't be. Problem?

You called countries like India and China "advanced" and "civilized". I hope you realize how fucking stupid that sounds.

And China and India are in the middle? Well, thats astounding. Its not like we have hundreds of small African countries pushing up their ranks, is it? No, they dont exist.

How uneducated can you be. I thought I was bad.

Have you ever actually been to China or India? I fucking have. Hong Kong, Beijing and Shanghai are some of the most advanced places I've ever fucking been, don't just start spitting some uneducated guesses about places you've only heard about from a two-bit news article claiming that a China-man has done something unspeakable, or that China are going to nuke the world or some bullshit. And yeah India is kinda a shit hole, but that's just because it's always been a shit hole. China is one of the nicest places I've ever been, yes of course they have their share of atrocities, but you forget that 1/5 of the human population are Chinese. I'd be fucking surprised if their atrocities ever dipped below any western CONTINENTS let alone countries. Of course there are fucking areas of India and China that are shit holes. India is still going through it's industrial revolution, what the shit do you expect!? But there are even more places that are waaay better than what you hear in the news.

It's like that with every country that is deemed to be 'civilized.' America has shitholes like Detroit. That could be mistaken for Chernobyl.

England has the black county, which looks like everyone's going to die from consumption.

Australia is a country that is 95% untamed wasteland that will kill you if you decide to go for a walk. And your body will never be found. Ever.

I advise you not to complain about stuff you don't understand.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

Erm, no actually, I was thinking more Japan, China, India, South Korea, America. Not a country that doesn't freaking exist any more...

I'm sure we all secretly wish we were born in China or India.

I mean, deep down, you just know not being able to browse google would be awesome, or how pleasant sweatshops are.

I'm pretty sure I wrote that they were swell places to live. OH WAIT. I never said anything about the standard of life. But as we're on the subject.

South Korea and Japan enjoy some of the best qualities of life in the world. While India and China are terri- oh, quite in the middle actually. The only reason you think so lowly of them is because the west is so pants wettingly terrified of them, not to say they shouldn't be. Problem?

You called countries like India and China "advanced" and "civilized". I hope you realize how fucking stupid that sounds.

And China and India are in the middle? Well, thats astounding. Its not like we have hundreds of small African countries pushing up their ranks, is it? No, they dont exist.

How uneducated can you be. I thought I was bad.

Have you ever actually been to China or India? I fucking have. Hong Kong, Beijing and Shanghai are some of the most advanced places I've ever fucking been, don't just start spitting some uneducated guesses about places you've only heard about from a two-bit news article claiming that a China-man has done something unspeakable, or that China are going to nuke the world or some bullshit. And yeah India is kinda a shit hole, but that's just because it's always been a shit hole. China is one of the nicest places I've ever been, yes of course they have their share of atrocities, but you forget that 1/5 of the human population are Chinese. I'd be fucking surprised if their atrocities ever dipped below any western CONTINENTS let alone countries. Of course there are fucking areas of India and China that are shit holes. India is still going through it's industrial revolution, what the shit do you expect!? But there are even more places that are waaay better than what you hear in the news.

It's like that with every country that is deemed to be 'civilized.' America has shitholes like Detroit. That could be mistaken for Chernobyl.

England has the black county, which looks like everyone's going to die from consumption.

Australia is a country that is 95% untamed wasteland that will kill you if you decide to go for a walk. And your body will never be found. Ever.

I advise you not to complain about stuff you don't understand.

Ya,but how often have you gone into the rural areas where the majority of the citizens of China live? Its fucking awful out there dude. No jobs, no luxeries like electricity or running water in some areas and its just full of poverty. Do you know how many people are constantly migrating to those cities to work long hours for little pay in dangerous work areas? Around 200 million.

Yes, China looks nice, but its going through its own little gilded age. It only looks nice within the more commercial parts of the cities which are meant to attract tourists, just like how New York would seem nice if you were to stay in Times Square.

 

[Robert Ewing]

Erm, no actually, I was thinking more Japan, China, India, South Korea, America. Not a country that doesn't freaking exist any more...

I'm sure we all secretly wish we were born in China or India.

I mean, deep down, you just know not being able to browse google would be awesome, or how pleasant sweatshops are.

I'm pretty sure I wrote that they were swell places to live. OH WAIT. I never said anything about the standard of life. But as we're on the subject.

South Korea and Japan enjoy some of the best qualities of life in the world. While India and China are terri- oh, quite in the middle actually. The only reason you think so lowly of them is because the west is so pants wettingly terrified of them, not to say they shouldn't be. Problem?

You called countries like India and China "advanced" and "civilized". I hope you realize how fucking stupid that sounds.

And China and India are in the middle? Well, thats astounding. Its not like we have hundreds of small African countries pushing up their ranks, is it? No, they dont exist.

How uneducated can you be. I thought I was bad.

Have you ever actually been to China or India? I fucking have. Hong Kong, Beijing and Shanghai are some of the most advanced places I've ever fucking been, don't just start spitting some uneducated guesses about places you've only heard about from a two-bit news article claiming that a China-man has done something unspeakable, or that China are going to nuke the world or some bullshit. And yeah India is kinda a shit hole, but that's just because it's always been a shit hole. China is one of the nicest places I've ever been, yes of course they have their share of atrocities, but you forget that 1/5 of the human population are Chinese. I'd be fucking surprised if their atrocities ever dipped below any western CONTINENTS let alone countries. Of course there are fucking areas of India and China that are shit holes. India is still going through it's industrial revolution, what the shit do you expect!? But there are even more places that are waaay better than what you hear in the news.

It's like that with every country that is deemed to be 'civilized.' America has shitholes like Detroit. That could be mistaken for Chernobyl.

England has the black county, which looks like everyone's going to die from consumption.

Australia is a country that is 95% untamed wasteland that will kill you if you decide to go for a walk. And your body will never be found. Ever.

I advise you not to complain about stuff you don't understand.

Ya,but how often have you gone into the rural areas where the majority of the citizens of China live? Its fucking awful out there dude. No jobs, no luxeries like electricity or running water in some areas and its just full of poverty. Do you know how many people are constantly migrating to those cities to work long hours for little pay in dangerous work areas? Around 200 million.

Yes, China looks nice, but its going through its own little gilded age. It only looks nice within the more commercial parts of the cities which are meant to attract tourists, just like how New York would seem nice if you were to stay in Times Square.

I did actually go out into rural areas. And yes there was no luxuries, but there was plenty of jobs. As it's a communist nation, everyone is always working to improve their community. But that didn't matter that the living conditions didn't meet western standards. It was quintessentially Chinese, little luxuries such as toys, and only one television in the entire area. Everybody was very happy living there, everybody lives long, and loves each other. They welcomed me and my friends with open arms anyway.

It's something I've only ever seen Asian countries pull off. They blend High-tech metropolis's with rural quaint communities, not caring about the outside world.

I'd like to go back actually, it was quite an experience. Oh, and the roads... Dear god the roads...

 

[Da Orky Man]

wow, you fucking brits need to shut your ugly pie faces for second.

sure, pedo, pretty disgusting if you ask me but what makes that any wronger than any other criminal, sure his sentenace should have been longer but lifetime imprisonment, torture and death are being suggested, what fucking medieval law system are you employing here? Hes a fucking pedophile not satan you pussys, just shove him in some secluded area where he can work and live with out raping the kids and everythings fine, no reason to blow a fuse as if this dude has ruined humanity.

guess what, this kind of shit probably happend on a regular basis back in the past, happens in the middle east and africa to this DAY and its nothing new.

so you best come up with a better idea for dealing it which isnt backward and barbaric instead of just shouting "KILL THEM HURR DURR", for this so called "civilised" country we live in where we would threaten to kill people who put cats in bins (even though cats/animals fuck young animals and kill them aswell).

>>Insult British people.
>>Expect British people to agree with you anyway.
>>Implies the death penalty doesn't have some merit. Since some of the most advanced and civilized countries to ever exist have it in place.

I'm guessing you're a liberal.

No civilisation has ever been as advanced as ours is now, yet most of the world doesn't have capital punishment. No-one in the EU does.

And the 'You're a liberal' thing? Since when has liberal become an insult? It's just a political stance, nothing more. It's not a byword for Satan, as much as Conservapedia would like.

 

[MammothBlade]

Apparently no-one here has the ability to read secondary sources, because they alone have said that the abuser has borderline learning disabilities, and is getting a whole lot of treatment that goes far beyond 3.5 years.

You don't need to go to jail for hundreds of years to have effective punishment/rehabilitation.

Please, you don't expect people to read, do you? I guess we're lucky people like this fellow aren't the ones making up the rules:

Bloody Hell, this is a complete f**king travesty of justice. He needs to be castrated, painfully.

And we should cut off thieves' hands too, am I right? You know, like a civilised society. Overblown, emotional responses help precisely no one.

Children are taught to react to situations and issues (relative to their age, obviously) better than you just have.

Haha, no. It's a completely different crime. I support forced labour for thieves. They will put their hands to socially beneficial use.

Male sex offenders should be castrated as their corrupted sexuality is the source of their crimes, and their manhood is offensive to their victims.

Rather, provided you're a nice person you're unlucky you don't have people such as I making up the rules, violent criminals and sex offenders would be an endangered species.

And what if they're wrongly convicted? Or does your made up, psychopathic justice system also lay claim to a 100% correct conviction rate?

There would be an evidence threshold. In this case, there is more than enough evidence to secure a definite conviction. With less sturdy convictions, reversible chemical castration could be considered. Nothing psychopathic about it.

A leaning towards remorseless violence and bodily harm. That's psychopathic.

No it's not. It is proportionate to the severity of the crime and the potential suffering of the victim. It takes into account that it is unfair to punish someone beyond the extent of their crimes.

Yes, it is. Include your addendum if you wish, it doesn't change the nature of the punishment.

All you're doing is exhibiting a degree of inhumanity and cruelty for which you'd just as quickly denounce someone else for. An advanced society fixes its problems, it doesn't focus on infantile revenge tactics which only serve to exasperate the problem further.

No, it isn't. It only becomes "inhumane" or cruel when it exceeds the boundaries of proportionality. Offenders need to learn a fundamental lesson of human justice. Do not commit acts of evil unless you are prepared to pay the full consequences. I do believe in mercy, and those who are truly sorry can be shown clemency. However, remorseless criminals deserve the full punishment.

 

[Woodsey]

Apparently no-one here has the ability to read secondary sources, because they alone have said that the abuser has borderline learning disabilities, and is getting a whole lot of treatment that goes far beyond 3.5 years.

You don't need to go to jail for hundreds of years to have effective punishment/rehabilitation.

Please, you don't expect people to read, do you? I guess we're lucky people like this fellow aren't the ones making up the rules:

Bloody Hell, this is a complete f**king travesty of justice. He needs to be castrated, painfully.

And we should cut off thieves' hands too, am I right? You know, like a civilised society. Overblown, emotional responses help precisely no one.

Children are taught to react to situations and issues (relative to their age, obviously) better than you just have.

Haha, no. It's a completely different crime. I support forced labour for thieves. They will put their hands to socially beneficial use.

Male sex offenders should be castrated as their corrupted sexuality is the source of their crimes, and their manhood is offensive to their victims.

Rather, provided you're a nice person you're unlucky you don't have people such as I making up the rules, violent criminals and sex offenders would be an endangered species.

And what if they're wrongly convicted? Or does your made up, psychopathic justice system also lay claim to a 100% correct conviction rate?

There would be an evidence threshold. In this case, there is more than enough evidence to secure a definite conviction. With less sturdy convictions, reversible chemical castration could be considered. Nothing psychopathic about it.

A leaning towards remorseless violence and bodily harm. That's psychopathic.

No it's not. It is proportionate to the severity of the crime and the potential suffering of the victim. It takes into account that it is unfair to punish someone beyond the extent of their crimes.

Yes, it is. Include your addendum if you wish, it doesn't change the nature of the punishment.

All you're doing is exhibiting a degree of inhumanity and cruelty for which you'd just as quickly denounce someone else for. An advanced society fixes its problems, it doesn't focus on infantile revenge tactics which only serve to exasperate the problem further.

No, it isn't. It only becomes "inhumane" or cruel when it exceeds the boundaries of proportionality. Offenders need to learn a fundamental lesson of human justice. Do not commit acts of evil unless you are prepared to pay the full consequences. I do believe in mercy, and those who are truly sorry can be shown clemency. However, remorseless criminals deserve the full punishment.

Your punishments offer no compassion, whilst inflicting great amounts of pain and distress. They are the definition of cruel and inhumane, 'proportionality' is irrelevant, because you're not even proportional, you're childishly vengeful. All you have done so far is show you lack compassion (even by way of simply abstaining from humiliating people), and possess an interest only in satisfying the vengeful wants of victims and yourself.

You are so obsessed with the idea of 'getting your own back' that you pay no consideration to the fact that you would hopefully be releasing most people back into society. Degrading and disaffecting people in the ways you think are so brilliant, so wonderfully fair and just, will make them more socially maligned.

Society has improved the more your short-sighted, infantile, so-called "justice" has eroded.