Objectively? Ascribing an emotionally based attribute to something is the opposite of an objective view.Xzi said:
Update: I GOT a refund for DNF
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I just cancelled my order from Amazon and played some Serious Sam instead. Shame that was, I actually thought Duke Nukem was kinda cool given that I never played anything outside a demo...
I just cancelled my order from Amazon and played some Serious Sam instead. Shame that was, I actually thought Duke Nukem was kinda cool given that I never played anything outside a demo...
Being able to get lost is not bad level design if you make the level segments memorable.Gralian said:
But that takes actual effort, so we end up with hallways instead.
I miss the days when the environments were part of the level, rather than the level being part of a big CGI backdrop. Then Halo and Half Life 2 popularized the Hallway-approach, converting level design into something resembling a CGI theme park ride.
Are gamers really becoming so lazy and stupid that they cannot navigate anything other than a straight line? Or is it because the developers have tied their own hands in trying to shove as much bling into one level as possible (que scripted battle on left at 50m, then que explosion at 200m further down the line)?
Even Deus Ex mixed up the elements, alternating between Linear objectives and free-roaming segments. It really helped the pacing and kept the game fresh, rather than rushing the player between nothing but a string of cutscenes.
DNF: $30 is about what you should spend on this game. If you liked Doom 3, Bulletstorm, Leisure Suit Larry and bad 80s and 90s movies there is actually some fun to be had. You don't spend $80 on this game, and if you just want a good modern shooter or even a regular oldschool shooter you look somewhere else.
Have you played Duke Nukem 3D? Because that game is pretty damn fun (Moreso with mods that allow proper mouse support and keybinding changes).SageRuffin said:
Yeah... I'm not a PC gamer nor do I plan on becoming one - hell, this whole "dumbing down for consoles" nonsense is still rather alien (and nigh insulting) to me. I played the demo of Manhattan Project and 3D on XBLA, but the former didn't hold my interest too long outside of the zippy one-liners, and something just seemed "wrong" about the controls for the latter.AlternatePFG said:
Ah well... guess I'll have to wait until Serious Sam 3 for some balls-to-the-cheese-grater "here's a gun, go fuck shit up" action.
This is the longest argument over an analogy of a pie I have ever seen.
Anyway, I'm pretty confused at the reception of the game myself. Of course the humour will be crude. That was actually a selling point. And as far as mechanics go, it's no different to most Shooters these days. Not saying you have to like them, but it means they're certainly not inferior. It's campaign was also a fair bit longer and more varied than most shooters I've played recently, although admittedly that's very few.
My only criticism with it is the criticism that applies to FPS's as a whole: Just not enough gameplay to justify the price tag when game like most RPGs will offer hundreds of hours for the same price, usually less thanks to the wonders of pre-owned sales. Though I'm also just not much of a FPS fan so that's probably subjective.
Guess the regenerating "ego" wasn't all that Duke, but I found the level design sufficient to discourage heavy use of cover, with the only parts of the game I found myself having to hide for prolonged periods of time were the fights against the Queen and the giant Octobrain.
Short version: Wasn't bad. Backlash definitely excessive. Wasn't quite £40 good though, although I feel that way about most FPSs. Will trade in for LA Noire probably.
Anyway, I'm pretty confused at the reception of the game myself. Of course the humour will be crude. That was actually a selling point. And as far as mechanics go, it's no different to most Shooters these days. Not saying you have to like them, but it means they're certainly not inferior. It's campaign was also a fair bit longer and more varied than most shooters I've played recently, although admittedly that's very few.
My only criticism with it is the criticism that applies to FPS's as a whole: Just not enough gameplay to justify the price tag when game like most RPGs will offer hundreds of hours for the same price, usually less thanks to the wonders of pre-owned sales. Though I'm also just not much of a FPS fan so that's probably subjective.
Guess the regenerating "ego" wasn't all that Duke, but I found the level design sufficient to discourage heavy use of cover, with the only parts of the game I found myself having to hide for prolonged periods of time were the fights against the Queen and the giant Octobrain.
Short version: Wasn't bad. Backlash definitely excessive. Wasn't quite £40 good though, although I feel that way about most FPSs. Will trade in for LA Noire probably.
I think so far, the only good that's come of this game is an enormous, forehead-branding lesson about how you should never ever buy a game solely based off the fact that "I think it looks cool and is going to be really good."
That's probably the same rationale that the Trojans had when someone left a nice bit of "Equus ferus caballus" woodwork on their front lawn.
That's probably the same rationale that the Trojans had when someone left a nice bit of "Equus ferus caballus" woodwork on their front lawn.
Gearbox did not make the game they just polished it, DNF is what 3drealms was going to give you.Sonic Doctor said:
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/02/09/duke-nukem-forever-being-completed-as-3d-realms-envisioned/
the genius of the owners of 3drelams is they waited long enough for the company to go belly up, so that get none of the blame they deserve.
I just hope he never tries to play Fallout 3... he'd never find his way out of the metros.TU4AR said:
Nope, I can easily lay blame on Gearbox, if DNF the way it is now, was the game they were handed two years ago.JJMUG said:
I don't see how Gearbox wasn't smart enough to know that the direction that was put forward for the game was totally wrong. I have said this many times before as well, what they should have done was scrap the game they were given, take the Duke Nukem license and make a game that is a worthy of its predecessors of the Nineties. They should have just copy pasted the style of Duke Nukem 3D, make new levels with better graphics of this generation, keep the health pack system of 3D, keep the being able to carry all weapons and changed to what you need or want to experiment with, keep the non-linear levels where the player has to explore to find the end of the level and find secrets and not be lead in a straight path right to the end, and keep the properly done mature content.
The game would have been a success if they had done that, because that is what true fans of the franchise were expecting. The followers of the meme it became for taking so long, aren't important, only fans of the franchise were important in this case(which this is usually always the answer when looking to revive a dead series, don't change the core of the game mechanics and style, just update the graphics and it will be a success).
Gearbox could have easily started from scratch and done that in two years. Now if they were told they couldn't do that and had to stick with what they were given from 3D Realms, then they should have said "screw this, we aren't going to let your piece of crap drivel game get released because it is an affront to what the Duke Nukem franchise was in the Nineties".
Yeah 3D Realms was moronic if this was the game they wanted to have released and thought it is what fans wanted. But as the situation laid and has come about at the end, the majority of the blame lays on the hands of Gearbox, because they had the ability to correct other people's errors and make a game that was true and proper to the franchise and brought back the classic style of shooters to this time period, but instead, they decided to be lazy and do next to nothing patch work on a game that shouldn't have been released, just to make a quick buck on the hype, the franchise name, and the knowledge that many fans were going to be naive and pre-order on faith and rack up money that if it was a no name new IP it would have sold only a few thousand copies and then get forgotten.
I don't care what anybody says on the matter further; I know what Gearbox was given. I know how long they had; don't come to me trying to rationalize how this obvious blunder and travesty is not Gearboxes fault. I can easily lay 100% blame on Gearbox, because they could have easily taken and fixed it to go the right direction.
Fallout 2 would be more amusing.MiracleOfSound said:I just hope he never tries to play Fallout 3... he'd never find his way out of the metros.TU4AR said:
