UPDATED: Wisconsin preteen girls seek to invoke Slender Man: Stab a 12 year old friend 19 times

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Mossberg Shotty

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krazykidd said:
Except their logic wasn't " let's murder this girl", but " let's summon slenderman". Their intent wasn't to murder somebody. If they thought the needed to throw daisies at someone, that's what they would hav done. They were using children logic ( where they most likely thought no one would get hurt , let alone die).

It was an act of cruelty, and should be punished, but they were just dumb kids.
Actually that's exactly what their intent was. They were planning it for months, and their objective was to kill her. Whatever source they were drawing from clearly stated that killing someone was the goal.

Child logic only excuses so much, you must be incredibly gullible if you think they didn't want to hurt anyone. No matter how old you are, you have some concept of life and death, and you sure as fuck don't stab someone 19 times without realizing what you're doing. I'm sure all of the screaming, flailing and bleeding was some indication of what they were doing. And regardless of they were trying to accomplish, wanting to summon Slender Man doesn't justify attempted murder.

Imagine how that girl's parents must feel. Her daughter was stabbed 19 times and left for dead, but it's somehow fine because the two girls who did it are either sadistic or delusional? Why don't you use some 'adult logic' to think about.

The Plunk said:
I heard that they're both getting 60+ years in jail. What the fuck? 12 year olds can't be held responsible for their actions, that's why they are not entitled to the same rights as adults. Help is what they need.
They don't need help, they need to be kept away from other potential victims. Their age does not excuse this kind of thing. They were 1 millimeter away from stealing this girl's entire life from her, why shouldn't the be subjected to the same punishment they put the victim through?
 

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It's stories like these that make me wonder if someone would turn this into a movie in the [near] future...

OT: Clearly, these girls didn't read the instructions "carefully"... There were also suppose to place pieces of paper with vague messaging on them around the forest, give their friend a semi-working flashlight, and THEN... uh... not try to kill her, I guess?

This is just terrible that they not only believed something from the internet, but also misinterpreted it almost completely once they decided that stabbing their friend was part of the whole ordeal...
 

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The Plunk said:
I heard that they're both getting 60+ years in jail. What the fuck? 12 year olds can't be held responsible for their actions, that's why they are not entitled to the same rights as adults. Help is what they need.
and this.
McElroy said:
Could someone also explain just *how* can they be charged as adults and face 65 years in prison? That's almost more effed up than the act itself!
Like really, sure it's fucked up. Yes, they're terrible people, yes there's something wrong with them, yes they should be treated. But shoving them in prison for more or less the rest of their life isn't exactly going to help them learn anything will it? It'll just teach them, "oh the world hates me so I'm just going to stab more people cause this is what real life is like so why should I bother?" when they already show problems with processing information.
Plunk made a good point, they're 12, but they're also suffering from something as I'm sure you can all agree. They need something to help tell the difference of reality, and a cell isn't going to help.
Nor will the padded one.

Slight offnote, is it possible that you know, the girls were making an excuse to get out of trouble?(Not that it justify the action, but they could've had another thought process compared to the slender man one.)
 

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What? Violence with a knife? Ban all the guns!! Quick, call it an assault knife!!
<.<

On a serious note, I'm glad people realize that this was an act of insanity. This makes the "party game" where one person pushes on the chest of another (was kinda big with girls about a decade ago) until they passed out look sane.

If they wanted to vanish so badly that they'd kill, I gotta wonder how bad their home lives were. Was home, and society so cruel to them? I just hope they get some help, and figure it out.

All my best wishes to the victim, too.
 

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At least someone found her, before she died... this could've been even more tragic.

Those kids are sick in the head, I hope no mercy is shown, due to age.
 

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I don't think that prison would be the best way to help these would-be murderers. But at the very least they should be incarcerated for a prolonged time in a mental institution. Say what you want but the fact that they planned this murder months before shows that they had the explicit desire to senselessly and brutally murder another child.

Childlike innocence can only shelter them so far.
 

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We really need to look at the parents here. Even when I was that age, I knew that knives were dangerous to myself and others, and that weird stories like this probably weren't true.

Excludos said:
How do you stab someone 19 times without killing them..?
I bet that if we trace her lineage, we'll find that she's related to Rasputin.
 

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The Plunk said:
Mossberg Shotty said:
The Plunk said:
I heard that they're both getting 60+ years in jail. What the fuck? 12 year olds can't be held responsible for their actions, that's why they are not entitled to the same rights as adults. Help is what they need.
They don't need help, they need to be kept away from other potential victims. Their age does not excuse this kind of thing. They were 1 millimeter away from stealing this girl's entire life from her, why shouldn't the be subjected to the same punishment they put the victim through?
An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind etc. Using your logic, we should stab both these 12 year olds 19 times for good measure. Would you like to be the one that carries it out?
Idioms that adults use on children don't really apply here. And no, I never proposed that they deserve to be stabbed, in fact if you paid any attention to my post you would find that it's generally anti child-stabbing in tone.

But they absolutely deserve to be locked away for the rest of their lives. If this is the kinda shit they do when they're 12 or so, I would hate to see the stuff they do in their adult life. Luckily, it doesn't look like that will be an issue.
 

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Ubiquitous Duck said:
I'm a bit confused.

So is Slender Man more than just the simple horror game where you collect pages in a wood?

Is there some sort of ongoing fake-blog or something? Seems to be what this is suggesting. I've not heard of this before.
he's bascially a monster in our popculture along side werewolves, zombies and vampires

the difference is unlike drawing from hundreds of years of myths folklore and films he was "created" in a shorter amount of time (I'm assuming) by the power of the internet, with lots of people adding to the "slenderman mythos"
 

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It's important to keep in mind that as far as first-world countries go this kind of shit is more likely to happen in USA than anywhere else. I don't mean any offense to Americans but...yeah, there is an abnormal number of children and parents in USA that were/are raised under strange conditions with strange mindsets (or developing over time).
 

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These kids didn't even get the Slender Man mythos right. It's like they glossed the creepy pastas and then made up their own shit. Invoke Slender Man? :facepalm:

To quote that lady from the esurance commercial- "That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works."

You definitely don't want to tell these kind of kids campfire ghost stories.

SadisticFire said:
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The Plunk said:
I heard that they're both getting 60+ years in jail. What the fuck? 12 year olds can't be held responsible for their actions, that's why they are not entitled to the same rights as adults. Help is what they need.
and this.
McElroy said:
Could someone also explain just *how* can they be charged as adults and face 65 years in prison? That's almost more effed up than the act itself!
Like really, sure it's fucked up. Yes, they're terrible people, yes there's something wrong with them, yes they should be treated. But shoving them in prison for more or less the rest of their life isn't exactly going to help them learn anything will it? It'll just teach them, "oh the world hates me so I'm just going to stab more people cause this is what real life is like so why should I bother?" when they already show problems with processing information.
Plunk made a good point, they're 12, but they're also suffering from something as I'm sure you can all agree. They need something to help tell the difference of reality, and a cell isn't going to help.
Nor will the padded one.
I read somewhere that they are being charged as adults to make more conviction options available. It's highly unlikely they will be put away to those extremes. I disagree with the whole prison system as well and it would only make matters worse.

Slight offnote, is it possible that you know, the girls were making an excuse to get out of trouble?(Not that it justify the action, but they could've had another thought process compared to the slender man one.)
That's possible. This was pre-meditated far in advance so maybe they thought up a scapegoat type plan too.

So with Slender Man being a Video game too, I hope typical sensationalist media don't try and link this whole ordeal to Video Games. It's bad enough people are trying to pin this on the internet and are beginning to cry for more nanny-like oversight. At least in the comments from other sites I've read.
 

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-Ezio- said:
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Am I the only one who's awed at the fact she survived 19 stab wounds?
No, you are not.

Either the wanna be murderers are as inept as they are warped or that little girl is fucking tough. Maybe both.

But at least pretty much any turn her life takes is an improvement from here.
on the plus side she can now win any argument with the words "well i survived being stabbed 19 times so fuck you."

there is no comeback for that.
I see your 19 stab wounds and raise you One Frozen Christopher Lloyd!


On topic, my sister is about to turn 10. Her and her friends are very...odd compared to me at that age, 15 years ago. It's very odd.
 

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This is REALLY stupid.

But, sad to say, it's really no different than hearing an angel or demon talk to you.

Replace 'Slender Man' with 'Lucifer' or 'Gabriel' and I think some folks would react differently.
 

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I've just been marathoning Supernatural, and this seems like an episode of it, rather than real life.
 

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12-year olds are very impressionable. Sounds like someone intentionally encouraged them to do this, or at least acted the part and they took it way too seriously. Fact is though, this was a website, nothing to do with videogames or movies or anything. Whatever the source, some people are going to be influenced to this extent. Anyway, I feel sorry for the girl who was stabbed, that's horrible.
 

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I'm really glad that there was no actual murder but at the same time, I'm really sad... can you imagine surviving being stabbed 19 times by a couple of girls you spent the last 15 hours with at a sleep over, girls you thought you could trust and ones you thought were your friends? Forget help for the attempted murderers, someone get this survivor all the help she needs because SHE'S gonna be the one who really has to live with their poor decision-making.

I'm with others on here, this was planned a good deal in advance so they should be tossed WHEREVER as long as it ain't someplace they can leave readily.
 

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Okay, here is the basic backstory on Slenderman.

Slenderman started on the internet humor site Something Awful as part of a photo editing contest. The creator one "Victor Surge" (real name Eric Knudsen) did several pictures and tied them together with some back story about disappearances in the 1980s. Contrary to popular belief, Slenderman is *not* public domain and he actually owns the rights to the character now, and several projects involving it have gotten cease and desist orders. This much can be found on the Wikipedia, and I believe Something Awful still has the original pics for the contest in their galleries somewhere.

There is however a little more to it than this. What really helped catapult Slenderman into a degree of stardom and expand the mythology is one of the projects which apparently got approval, an ongoing ARG known as "Marble Hornets", the wiki for which can be found here:http://marblehornets.wikidot.com/ along with more stuff on Youtube. Basically it's a series of videos about someone who accidently discovers Slenderman during a home film project, abandons it, and then leaves the tapes he made to a friend who then goes investigating. It's included clues leading to side-videos and the like for people who want to elaborate on events and the chronology since the format of seeing recordings means that some of the things you see are supposed to be out of sequence to other events. I still follow it occasionally, but if your interested in checking it out, understand it gets very weird, and you do get to see Slendy a few times, but for the most part it's at atmospheric slow burn kind of thing.

Slenderman also showed up in "Lost Girl" indirectly where one of the bad guys revealed that "Slenderman" was one of the names he was known under.

Creepypasta and other photos showing Slenderman are very common and very popular, to the point where a lot of sites specializing in such things simply won't accept more of them. What's more certain ARG sites give Slendy his own section from other horror works, specifically due to the people wanting to try and duplicate the cult-success of Marble Hornets.

Perhaps most interesting about this case is of course how this one ties into certain conspiracy theories. As I've mentioned before one of the more interesting theories going around right now is that the proliferation of "ghost hunter" shows, "found footage" horror movies, and similar things is specifically encouraged by the government because of almost everyone having a sell phone that doubles as a camera. It means that anyone finding anything and recording it would instantly be doubted, effectively torpedoing the argument that "weird stuff couldn't be out there, otherwise some dude with shoot it with a cell phone and everyone would know". The same can also apply to Creepypasta because after all if someone ever did get on the internet and warn people about a haunted video game cartridge, a curse, monster, or deep dark secret, nobody would take it seriously, especially if it was uploaded anonymously on the internet. Slenderman gets a certain special mention here because of theories that there is a lot of truth to it, but now nobody will take it seriously, whether the original photoshopper is in on this, or not, is a matter of debate. This is why every once in a while you run into Slendy being mentioned as an actual "Cryptid" or an "Urban Legend" rather than as a purely fictional creation. Interestingly some version of the Slenderman mythology (there are several, with perhaps Marble Hornets being the most involved, including an X over a circle symbol used to either ward or invoke Slenderman, I'm not sure if they ever resolved which it does... or both) that posit Slenderman is a creature of subjective reality that exists because belief in him has given him form, and he's not happy about it.

This last point is rather academic as I'm sort of curious as to what specific Creepypasta these girls read, and why, among the thousands of these bloody things out there, did they decide to take that one seriously. Of all the crap that might in theory let you summon Slendy or join his cult (if you think he has one, in Marble Hornets he has this guy in a weird mask that seems to do his will at least part of the time), why would they be convinced that one of the most extreme creepypastas as it involves actually killing someone is for some reason more real than the others. Even 12 year olds are generally going to have reasons, and I have to admit I'm morbidly curious. What's more if nobody can now find a Creepypasta that has such a ritual devoted to Slendy in it, that's probably going to fuel conspiracies for years... at least among a certain crowd.

At any rate, there is more than you probably ever wanted to know about Slenderman. It also makes me wonder how many people have gone to Disney and looked for Gascots, or walked into mental health facilities and such and made the request that is supposed to trigger a challenge to one of the Holders (which incidently always struck me as a cool inspiration for a weird horror-scavenger hunt story if someone wanted to make a movie or whatever out of a Creepypasta series). :)