Upskirt Danger Caused Sex Change in Ico's The Last Guardian
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To those butthurt few individuals that seem to be throwing a feminism fueled temper tantrum over this:
Artists can and will do ANYTHING they want to bring their visions to fruition. This includes changing characters as they see fit. Udea decided that a male lead made more sense and that is fine.
His opinion on what sex would have been better for this game does not make him sexist; it makes him a man of artistic integrity. Chances are there were many reasons for the change.
Grow thicker skin - there is absolutely nothing to be gained by rampant political correctness. It just makes you look like a raving reactionist.
Artists can and will do ANYTHING they want to bring their visions to fruition. This includes changing characters as they see fit. Udea decided that a male lead made more sense and that is fine.
His opinion on what sex would have been better for this game does not make him sexist; it makes him a man of artistic integrity. Chances are there were many reasons for the change.
Grow thicker skin - there is absolutely nothing to be gained by rampant political correctness. It just makes you look like a raving reactionist.
Yeah but Tifa also had tits that mountain expeditionists could get lost in. (not sexist)poiumty said:
As much a fan of skirts as I am, the pants thing seems a lot easier. Or, a compromise, shorts. Or, a skirt, with stockings. But none of those seem to be in the style that Ueda has going. We do have a dearth of female protagonists, after all. Though, as to why they aren't just gonna focus on a girl in her underpants--remember, this is the company that is pretty much holding up the "games as art" debate with their previous title.
Now I'm pissed. I mean, this is a world that he made himself. Why can't girls wear pants as often as skirts in this world, hm? Instead, now we have a character that looks pretty much exactly like Ico without the horns (again).
I would have liked a female main character much better, because god knows they haven't been very powerful in the series so far. One had butterflies in her brain, the other was dead! I'm really, really annoyed at the team now. Especially Fumito Ueda, who I had a vendetta against anyway.
I would have liked a female main character much better, because god knows they haven't been very powerful in the series so far. One had butterflies in her brain, the other was dead! I'm really, really annoyed at the team now. Especially Fumito Ueda, who I had a vendetta against anyway.
It is an adolescent female character, also it's a fictional world and place. It's possible we just aren't getting the whole story and it would have demanded putting the character in skit to better convey that the character is female and keep within the rules setup by this fictional world. Who knows, I still think putting her in some damn pants would have been a better solution then a sex change, but I am open to hearing more before I pass any kind of final judgment.8bitmaster said:
I agree put her in some pants or she could wear some tights underneath her skirt just throwing stuff out there
"Also, how about just putting the lady in pants? Seems like a much easier fix than scrapping the female character altogether."
This.
This.
Jeans, sweatpants, trouser, khakis, skorts, shorts, bell-bottoms, dress pants, etc. etc. Look it up, Team Ico.
I'd like to ask you to look back at all these comments that have been made so far.Fronzel said:
Done? Okay. You have probably noticed that everyone, save a few, has said roughly the same thing as the one before. This makes for a terribly dull discussion. What I'm doing is pointing out that the developer's decision is comparable to other art forms in that his logic is a silly thing to question because the development of such aesthetics is not necessarily a logical process.
You can say that I'm derailing the thread in the same way that Debussy derailed french music. I'm just saying something that no one has said yet. That's what a progressive discussion is about.
Please don't stretch/change the original intent of my post(s) anymore. Or infer it. Anyways, It's rude not to answer someone, so here you go:boholikeu said:
He has a preference for ladies in dresses. I have a similar preference. He rather not put a girl in the game at all if she has to wear pants, at least, that's what we got here. So, what's the problem? This alone is no means 'absolute proof' that he 'views women as simply being weak'. Clothing preferences never will determine his actual views. Or mine. Maybe the original girl had a preference for a dress, but the camera made him go 'Heh, nope'. Maybe it's custom in that world. Maybe he just loves dresses. I ~hope~ I'm not being ironic and stretching your own comment, but are you telling me that he HAS to view women as 'weak beings' for a variable that very easily could suggest otherwise?
You'd also have to lump me into that camp as well, for I'd do the same thing as he did. [Unless they were REALLY cool pants, but the kind of pants I'm thinking don't fit his world much at all.]