US(and a bunch of other places) vs Libya, GO!

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Baradiel

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xXxJessicaxXx said:
I think they'll be doing hte most, what to clean up that mess they started.
What mess we started?

I live a few miles nearby to Lockerbie and can remember when the 747 was blown up theres no love lost between Libya and the North of England let me tell you.
I think he's referring to the West in general, or Blair's deals with Gadaffi over oil.
 

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Baradiel said:
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I don't get how they can go after Libya, and continue to ignore North Korea.
North Korea has the backing of China and, to some extent, Russia. Either of those countries could veto any UN action, and it could easily escalate if one of those super powers decided to help their ally. Libya is a international pariah.

Also, if your cynical, North Korea doesn't have any oil...
Baradiel:1 Souplex:0
 

Baradiel

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SPARTANXIII said:
Baradiel said:
Souplex said:
I don't get how they can go after Libya, and continue to ignore North Korea.
North Korea has the backing of China and, to some extent, Russia. Either of those countries could veto any UN action, and it could easily escalate if one of those super powers decided to help their ally. Libya is a international pariah.

Also, if your cynical, North Korea doesn't have any oil...
Baradiel:1 Souplex:0
Did not expect that when I saw the quote. Thought I'd have a disagreement on my hands :D

Glad to know someone's keeping track :p
 

BENZOOKA

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Here's a very good documentary on the subject, especially on the backstory of it all:

 

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Baradiel said:
Souplex said:
I don't get how they can go after Libya, and continue to ignore North Korea.
North Korea has the backing of China and, to some extent, Russia. Either of those countries could veto any UN action, and it could easily escalate if one of those super powers decided to help their ally. Libya is a international pariah.

Also, if your cynical, North Korea doesn't have any oil...
Even china is growing sick of North Korea and the reason why korea has been quite of late is because china told them to stand down, so I doubt china or russia would object to UN action if North Korea started making noise again.

And being cynical on subjects like this, I'd go as far to say that they have been waiting for lybia to go into civil war or maybe even initiated it for the oil, though that might be going too far. But we all know the UN has a history of being free of corruption, backing up just causes for no profit, bringing peace wherever they go and not being biased...
 

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I think i would like to give this one to the UN and say they are just trying to protect the civilians, are we going to expect a big conspiracy every time a country with oil has internal problems?

As for the US helping out you are pretty much the most powerful nation in the world and I think it's good that you get involved and I think the international community is better for it.
 

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Jack and Calumon said:
You could just put "UN vs Libya" much easier.

Either way, Libya is crumbling and this will make this worse for everyone there.

Calumon: Why do people have to fight... :s
Because humans like killing stuff. And until some aliens appear for them to kill, they'll just keep killing each other instead.
 

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I think this is a good thing.
Ghadafi (spelling of his name varies, i know) must not be allowed to commit genocide.

I applaud the US and France (with the rest of the UN ofc.) for this initiative.
How can we sit back and watch while this goes on?
His is a dictator and must be brought to justice by the Libyan people.

And yes, I know there are places in the world that needs just as much intervention by the world society as Libya, but that is besides the point.

We have an obligation (in my opinion) to intervene when there is a possible genocide looming.

I watch with pride the revolutions going on in the middle east.
I do not care what religion or economic system they follow, as long as it is a democracy.

LIBERTY FOR THE PEOPLE!
 

Moonlight Butterfly

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MartianWarMachine said:
Jack and Calumon said:
You could just put "UN vs Libya" much easier.

Either way, Libya is crumbling and this will make this worse for everyone there.

Calumon: Why do people have to fight... :s
Because humans like killing stuff. And until some aliens appear for them to kill, they'll just keep killing each other instead.
but but we have computer games for that! :3 We just have to get the military types hooked :D
 

Baradiel

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Dark Knifer said:
Baradiel said:
Souplex said:
I don't get how they can go after Libya, and continue to ignore North Korea.
North Korea has the backing of China and, to some extent, Russia. Either of those countries could veto any UN action, and it could easily escalate if one of those super powers decided to help their ally. Libya is a international pariah.

Also, if your cynical, North Korea doesn't have any oil...
Even china is growing sick of North Korea and the reason why korea has been quite of late is because china told them to stand down, so I doubt china or russia would object to UN action if North Korea started making noise again.

And being cynical on subjects like this, I'd go as far to say that they have been waiting for lybia to go into civil war or maybe even initiated it for the oil, though that might be going too far. But we all know the UN has a history of being free of corruption, backing up just causes for no profit, bringing peace wherever they go and not being biased...
To your first point; true, China does seem to be getting tired with their little brother, but I believe that they would still step in to help. Removing the "Communist" system in North Korea would lead to a unified Korea, backed (most likely) by the US. Sino-American relations may be pretty steady, but I doubt they would be willing to allow their historic enemy another foothold closer to China.

To your second; I hope your last sentence is tongue-in-cheek. Seriously. It can't not be. Please tell me its sarcastic. PLEASE!
 

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The issue the past 30 or so years of Gaddafi's reign was the issue of sovereignty. One country can't interfer with the running of another. But when that country has a rebellion or uprising or treats its people unfairly, it's within another nation's right to raise the alarm, and for the UN to protect the people.

While I'm glad my country isn't involved in this (we don't have an army, we have a defence force, so humanitarian aid is all we can offer), I'm concerned by the repercussions after this. While its clear Gaddafi has lost support and is an absolute mental case, there will always be traces of his regime. After 30-whatever years of a bat-barking crazy totalitarian leader, how can Libya look after itself?
 

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Colonel Melty-face is clearly insane. If he'd crushed the rebels while the world sat back and watched the regime would've come down on the populace like a ton of bricks.
 

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Good. Also, people are blowing this out of proportion. I don't think this "war" is going to last long. At all. Especially since Libya is divided and that 3 countries make up the coalition.

Also, the name of the operation is apparently "Odyssey Dawn", the most kickass name ever.

yaik7a said:
I hope Gaddafi Wins in this conflict.
Care to..elaborate?
 

Ham_authority95

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Once a cease-fire is drawn, the UN should GTFO of Libya and let them set up the country themselves.

EcksTeaSea said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12796972

I can see this ending well for the rebellion.
This belongs in the Religion and Politics section, by the way.
 

2xDouble

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Screw it, lets just blow them all up. Everyone, on all sides. Mass extinction = problem solved.