US health care Mentality
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Some people consider health care a right because illness can be seen as part of the human condition, so treatment should be based off of acknowledgement of that fact rather then ability to pay. Health care would therefore be a right in itself or, more convincingly an extension of the right to life.Mcupobob said:
Call me petty but as someone who is going to lose his health care in a few months and without any foreseeable way to pay for a new plan I will say that I am very much opposed to health care as a business where the goal is monetary profit.
I've gone through a few years of private insurance trying left and right to deny me the coverage they're being paid to give me. They wanted me to foot the bill on 250 dollar medication that they cover because they would change their policy and expectations of what I had to do to be covered MONTHLY.
You know what? I don't give a shit if public health care is lower quality on average. Put simply, public health care couldn't in any way be worse then what I'm already going through with a health care plan that costs near thousands a month a month to cover a family.
I also have friends who simply can't afford private health care and they're dying without medication they should be getting but can't afford. Its not through any fault of their own; pharmaceutical companies charge ludicrous ammounts of money for medications they need and they don't have jobs that supply health care to them.
Why do they do it? I think its less based on the fact of how much it costs to produce and more on the fact that they can say 'What? You're not gonna pay for it? Have fun dying then.' when someone refuses to buy.
The current system in America is sick and needs to change. I hope that these companies don't get their way for my health and the health of my friends.
You know what? I don't give a shit if public health care is lower quality on average. Put simply, public health care couldn't in any way be worse then what I'm already going through with a health care plan that costs near thousands a month a month to cover a family.
I also have friends who simply can't afford private health care and they're dying without medication they should be getting but can't afford. Its not through any fault of their own; pharmaceutical companies charge ludicrous ammounts of money for medications they need and they don't have jobs that supply health care to them.
Why do they do it? I think its less based on the fact of how much it costs to produce and more on the fact that they can say 'What? You're not gonna pay for it? Have fun dying then.' when someone refuses to buy.
The current system in America is sick and needs to change. I hope that these companies don't get their way for my health and the health of my friends.
Because you mention "Change" In america, and the politicians see a chance to fear monger to get themselves elected for another term.meglathon said:OK here is where I stand. I am Canadian and I enjoy all the benefits of the free public health care here in my country. I believe that every one should have a similar system. But when Obama suggested such a system the American public when nuts and attacked his ideal. I might be on the other side of the fence here but, I here it cost 10 000$US to have a baby in an American hospital. (WTF) Now y would a public system be so bad? I ask you my American escapist formers what do you say about all this.
A government loving individual?jpoon said:
Christ, I sware you people don't live on the same planet as me. Enough with your childish Goverment Vs The People and Centralization vs Liberty binaries. The world is not so simple.
And also, enough with this free market dogma. If you want to talk about the free market, you need to look at early industrial England. A right economic Libertarian's paradise it was.
It was also an utter hellhole for most of the population.
I, also, couldn't care less if poeple profit off saving my life. Hell, actually, I'd encourage it! What I would not, ecourage, however, would be an organization putting their profits, over my life.
Firstly, lol at the "to intellectual". Childish maybe, but tis the internet, I can be as juevenile as I like.Cliff_m85 said:
Also, you're not putting much against my argument that most peole think in rediculous binary modes of thought when engaging with this debate.
I really don't understand why republicans and their sheep are so afraid of communism. Communism has been in decline since the turn of the millenium.Skeleon said:
The soviet union broke up two decades ago, Cuba and Korea are shit poor and China uses the worlds free market system to make more money than Uncle Sam, Adam smith and wall street put together.
TRUST ME! THE COLD WAR IS OVER! COMMUNISM IS DYING! OBAMA IS NOT GOING TO GROW DEVIL HORNS AND START PREACHING ABOUT SOCIAL EQUALITY! YOU ARE ALL PARANOID!
Or so my rant goes.
I suffer from depression that gets so bad, I tried to kill myself on numerous occasion, the depression is caused by an inbalance in a certain chemical in my brain which prevents my body when it becomes unbalanced from producing endorphines (Meaning I cannot feel true happyness sometimes) this expensive medication I take fixes this... but I havent had it for 6 weeks because I have a choice of having medication and living on the streets, or having a home...sevenrings said:
Without the people who take time to learn the skills to give them there so called "extension of life" then they would not get healthcare at all. What i'm trying to say is that someone deserves the money and credit for providing medican and healthcare, they essentail own the right to there own skills and discoverys not the people.BladesofReason said:
The new plan Obama is pitching is everyone is required by law to have health insurance. If that passes, I will be one of the first people to start a class action lawsuit against the government. If I could afford health insurance, I'd already have it. I don't need a law to tell me to get it.
As far as universal health care, it's not that people don't want it. It's the fact that we have tens of millions of illegal immigrants in America who don't pay taxes, therefore should not receive free health care. If anyone thinks we should, they are wrong. Go ***** at the Mexican president about that. Plus, our welfare system is already totally fucked. I can't imagine any other free government program not being taken advantage of.
As far as universal health care, it's not that people don't want it. It's the fact that we have tens of millions of illegal immigrants in America who don't pay taxes, therefore should not receive free health care. If anyone thinks we should, they are wrong. Go ***** at the Mexican president about that. Plus, our welfare system is already totally fucked. I can't imagine any other free government program not being taken advantage of.
You do realize what the fuck your taxes are for right? Yuo do realize when your house is burgled and you call the police that you are spending other peoples money? Maybe if your house catches fire people don't want to pay for the bill the fire service gives to the government who uses tax payer money to pay the firemen for their work...jpoon said:
Haha, I find this pretty entertaining. He's already "preaching" about social equality. Hell watch that video of the little kids singing about Barack in place of Jesus in "Jesus loves the little children". Thats just weird and Orweillian shit, IMO.aebonhawk said:
Actually I am one of those individuals who loves their second amendment. There will likely be no phone call to the worthless cops as I will have shot the shit out of anyone who thinks they can rob me. See this is case in point, don't rely in the government because you get shit service. Do it yourself! =DWhiteTiger225 said:
The bill DOES NOT COVER illegal immigrants. The only people covered in an illegal immigrants family is any children that they bore in the US.paypuh said:
THIS RIGHT HERE is a good example of why people whine about the bill. Panic, Slander, Misinterpretation, Lies... and not reading the damn bill for yourself before bitching.
You do realize that about 95% of taxes are unnecessary, right?WhiteTiger225 said:
You do realize there is a difference from the national government and the local government, right?
Police, fire department = local. It's easy to fix a problem of having an inept police department. It's not quite to easy to fix a problem of having an inept army.
Think.
And when your neighbors call because they heard gunshots from your residence and police are sent to investigate your residence, and then afterwards have to clean up the body, as well as call an ambulance for the now dead man, then they have to pay someone via government (Taxpayer) money to file this man as deceased, as well as the doctors that confirmed him dead, as well as the cleaning service that is government mandated for murder/homocide/suicide/self defense cleanup where the victim has died being sent to your home.. yep... I don't see ANYWHERE where other peoples tax payers dollars are going towards this scenario...jpoon said:
Is there any way I can help you? I personally give to charity all the time. I like doing so. It makes me feel good about myself.WhiteTiger225 said:
But what we're talking about is not charity. It's not "should I give this young man some money to help?" and deciding yes and tossing some cash your way or saying no and walking off. It's forced. I would legally be obligated to give you money or get thrown in jail. That is not charity and you should not be proud of someone robbing for you.