US health care Mentality

[WhiteTiger225]

It is completely, at least for me, about freedom. If you want to or do receive medicine from your government, you are a serf. I'm not saying serfs are bad people, but they are not (in the full sense) free people. They have a patron government to whom they trade freedom for comfort.

In the American Republic as it started (it has gone downhill since) one was free. They looked to the government for nothing but to handle the things of the people (res publica) and owed the government virtually nothing. Remember that the US Constitution originally banned federal income tax; that took an amendment.

I oppose the expansion of any government program as a default position. I do this not because I am daft, ignorant, or indoctrinated. I do so because I am free, would like to be more free, and would like all to be free. I do not look to the government to personally help me; I am not a serf.

I the serfs of the world really want to stay that way, that is their business. I just remind them that all of their property the then by definition not theirs; neither is there health, work, money, children, and choices. You have given that to your patron for a decently comfortable shackle. I hope you are happy with your choice, because it is a very hard one to recant.

This. I don't want to be dependent on the government, in any way, shape, or form.

Thats nice dear, but some people don't have that luxury.

Cut a ton of taxes and what happens? People have more money to afford shit.

cut a ton of taxes, and we lose out on police forces, fire fighting forces, medical cutbacks (Government funded), loss of funds to fix roads which aid greatly in public transportation as well as other government maintenance funds. See, what you are arguing is not anti healthcare. It seems more Anti-Government really. Which I did see coming, because I remember back when green peace was anti destruction of nature, and quickly got warped into white youth elitists to vent their anger about "Corporations" and "Government" .

 

[jpoon]

This. I don't want to be dependent on the government, in any way, shape, or form.

It pains me to use this argument twice, but it got flatly ignored last time, so here goes.

You'd turn away police help then?

I would turn away poilce. The police are just as currupt as the goverment, or should I say a tool...
Anyways I use a gun its quicker.

The police in America are well known to be about as smart as your average street thug. I would easily trust myself with a gun before I'd ever trust an "officer of the law" barking bullshit at me. Police are generally corrupted and cannot be trusted. I choose to protect myself and my family, I don't need this state governments "service".

 

[jpoon]

It is completely, at least for me, about freedom. If you want to or do receive medicine from your government, you are a serf. I'm not saying serfs are bad people, but they are not (in the full sense) free people. They have a patron government to whom they trade freedom for comfort.

In the American Republic as it started (it has gone downhill since) one was free. They looked to the government for nothing but to handle the things of the people (res publica) and owed the government virtually nothing. Remember that the US Constitution originally banned federal income tax; that took an amendment.

I oppose the expansion of any government program as a default position. I do this not because I am daft, ignorant, or indoctrinated. I do so because I am free, would like to be more free, and would like all to be free. I do not look to the government to personally help me; I am not a serf.

I the serfs of the world really want to stay that way, that is their business. I just remind them that all of their property the then by definition not theirs; neither is there health, work, money, children, and choices. You have given that to your patron for a decently comfortable shackle. I hope you are happy with your choice, because it is a very hard one to recant.

This. I don't want to be dependent on the government, in any way, shape, or form.

Thats nice dear, but some people don't have that luxury.

Cut a ton of taxes and what happens? People have more money to afford shit.

cut a ton of taxes, and we lose out on police forces, fire fighting forces, medical cutbacks (Government funded), loss of funds to fix roads which aid greatly in public transportation as well as other government maintenance funds. See, what you are arguing is not anti healthcare. It seems more Anti-Government really. Which I did see coming, because I remember back when green peace was anti destruction of nature, and quickly got warped into white youth elitists to vent their anger about "Corporations" and "Government" .

All road fixes are covered by excise taxes as I'm sure you should know. You pay this every time you fill your car up.

 

[The Bandit]

This. I don't want to be dependent on the government, in any way, shape, or form.

It pains me to use this argument twice, but it got flatly ignored last time, so here goes.

You'd turn away police help then?

I would turn away poilce. The police are just as currupt as the goverment, or should I say a tool...
Anyways I use a gun its quicker.

The police in America are well known to be about as smart as your average street thug. I would easily trust myself with a gun before I'd ever trust an "officer of the law" barking bullshit at me. Police are generally corrupted and cannot be trusted. I choose to protect myself and my family, I don't need this state governments "service".

And suddenly, a mildly intelligent debate about the government turns into Republicans ranting about their guns. No thanks. Not interested.

 

[Imat]

OK here is where I stand. I am Canadian and I enjoy all the benefits of the free public health care here in my country. I believe that every one should have a similar system. But when Obama suggested such a system the American public when nuts and attacked his ideal. I might be on the other side of the fence here but, I here it cost 10 000$US to have a baby in an American hospital. ( WTF) Now y would a public system be so bad? I ask you my American escapist formers what do you say about all this.

You do realize that you have to pay money for your health care too, right? Something about if the government provides it, they have to pay for it, and the only source of income for a government is taxes. So...You have to pay higher taxes whether you're sick or not...I'll leave it at that...

Of course we have ridiculous taxes too, because of all the nonsense government programs that are destined for failure. Like Social Security. Nuff said.

 

[Mcupobob]

Without the people who take time to learn the skills to give them there so called "extension of life" then they would not get healthcare at all. What i'm trying to say is that someone deserves the money and credit for providing medican and healthcare, they essentail own the right to there own skills and discoverys not the people.

I understand your concern that the doctors get paid for their very necessary work, and I agree; they should be paid. With a public option they still would be. Doctors themselves have to spend a great deal of time working with insurance companies to make sure they are paid what they are owed.

The problem as I see it is that the insurance companies are essentially free to charge and/or pay whatever they want, choosing when and where to pay for customer bills. If they decide, for whatever reason to refuse to pay for a customer's procedure and the patient cannot pay for it themselves then the doctors won't get paid anyway. It's a very tricky situation.

Did you read my first post? I'm pretty sure I had soultions in there.

 

[WhiteTiger225]

Because I don't want to have to pay your bills, you cant afford it to bad

Here here! Why the fuck should I pay for someone else? This just makes no sense to me. Not in America buddy, leave that shit on the other side of the pond.

You do realize what the fuck your taxes are for right? Yuo do realize when your house is burgled and you call the police that you are spending other peoples money? Maybe if your house catches fire people don't want to pay for the bill the fire service gives to the government who uses tax payer money to pay the firemen for their work...

Actually I am one of those individuals who loves their second amendment. There will likely be no phone call to the worthless cops as I will have shot the shit out of anyone who thinks they can rob me. See this is case in point, don't rely in the government because you get shit service. Do it yourself! =D

And when your neighbors call because they heard gunshots from your residence and police are sent to investigate your residence, and then afterwards have to clean up the body, as well as call an ambulance for the now dead man, then they have to pay someone via government (Taxpayer) money to file this man as deceased, as well as the doctors that confirmed him dead, as well as the cleaning service that is government mandated for murder/homocide/suicide/self defense cleanup where the victim has died being sent to your home.. yep... I don't see ANYWHERE where other peoples tax payers dollars are going towards this scenario...

You are still considering local (state) taxes as a government run operation. These aren't one and the same, you know...

The same exact thing. Where do the states get funding from? The government (And private donators). Where does the Government get money? Well they sure as hell don't hold a huge bake sale, so obviously it is from taxes.

You just proved your ignorance.

Oh? Please elaborate rather then claim ignorance and show actual evidence or claims to defend your side rather then taking the Cartman approach "Screw you guys! I'm, goin home!"

I don't see how I can. If you honestly believe local and national governmental systems are the exact same thing then I don't know how exactly to convince you otherwise. It's basic civics. National government costs more and covers alot more of an area, local has taxes as well which are gotten from the citizens of the local area or state (not from the national government). The area of corruption grows as the sphere of power grows.

and local taxes are WHAT!? Let me hear it! come on! you can do it They are GOVERNMENT. The state is parto of the United states which is ran by the GOVERNMENT. States have local taxes which are collected (Just in a smaller sense) the same way the government collects taxes. Again, the point still stands. Maybe if I live in the same state as you I don't want to pay for your right to use medical, law enforcement, fire prevention services. Infact, maybe I don't care about my offroad vehicle driving through potholes and broken sections of road so I don't want to fund the state just so they can pay for a road that lesser vehicles need to drive smoothly, safely, and efficently.

 

[WhiteTiger225]

I've gone through a few years of private insurance trying left and right to deny me the coverage they're being paid to give me. They wanted me to foot the bill on 250 dollar medication that they cover because they would change their policy and expectations of what I had to do to be covered MONTHLY.

You know what? I don't give a shit if public health care is lower quality on average. Put simply, public health care couldn't in any way be worse then what I'm already going through with a health care plan that costs near thousands a month a month to cover a family.

I also have friends who simply can't afford private health care and they're dying without medication they should be getting but can't afford. Its not through any fault of their own; pharmaceutical companies charge ludicrous ammounts of money for medications they need and they don't have jobs that supply health care to them.

Why do they do it? I think its less based on the fact of how much it costs to produce and more on the fact that they can say 'What? You're not gonna pay for it? Have fun dying then.' when someone refuses to buy.

The current system in America is sick and needs to change. I hope that these companies don't get their way for my health and the health of my friends.

I suffer from depression that gets so bad, I tried to kill myself on numerous occasion, the depression is caused by an inbalance in a certain chemical in my brain which prevents my body when it becomes unbalanced from producing endorphines (Meaning I cannot feel true happyness sometimes) this expensive medication I take fixes this... but I havent had it for 6 weeks because I have a choice of having medication and living on the streets, or having a home...

Is there any way I can help you? I personally give to charity all the time. I like doing so. It makes me feel good about myself.

But what we're talking about is not charity. It's not "should I give this young man some money to help?" and deciding yes and tossing some cash your way or saying no and walking off. It's forced. I would legally be obligated to give you money or get thrown in jail. That is not charity and you should not be proud of someone robbing for you.

Just like if I am on the same medical coverage plan as you are (Private) My money goes to pay for you everytime you visit a doctor. See? Same shit, just different runner of it.

I don't have insurance. I am getting a HSA though, much more logical and prevents government interferance.

And if you become terminally Ill and your HSA funds deplete? Who pays then? (I know its not very likely to happen, but it does happen.)

 

[jpoon]

And what does the health care plan, mixed with the "You must have health care" law do? It means illegal immigrants are not covered AT ALL (Save for the ones who have done a damn good job forging certificates and such) AND will be fined for not having health care that they cannot recieve which means less tax payer money going into health care and some more illegal immigrants hard earned cash paying for everyone instead. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! Illegal is in the fucking name! Meaning they are not meant to be here! This is like claiming someone posing as a citizen but is actually a terrorist means America supports terrorism XD

How the fuck do you fine someone who doesn't have a social security number in this country? Please tell me. They can't even find the fuckers to kick them out.

Actually just wait, "comprehensive" immigration reform is next on the list. They will be covered cause our socialist leader so loves everyone that he's gonna make them all magically "legal". Hooray for bankruptcy!

I can hardly wait...

Well lets see. Denied coverage, lack of social security number, a fine, and deportation... yeah I think that kinda solves the problem...

And I love the bankruptcy statement, it is SO cute ^.^ People act like a .1% increase in taxes, or even 1% tax increase would cause bankruptcy. Not at ALL the oversaturation of the job market, or the war draining billions in government reserves to the point we are now in a trillion dollar deficet due 95% to the war draining resources like mad... nope.. can't be that at all it MUST be Obama.. even though he just joined recently and hasnt enacted shit yet yet somehow we are still in bankruptcy before this idea even came out... hmm...

I really don't blame Obama for this situation, I do blame him for furthering the agenda. Bush is every bit as guilty and was easily one of the worst presidents we've had (at least in my lifetime). The wars we are in should have never been engaged, and were completely unlawful as congress did declare war as so stated in our constitution. I agree there. This country is damn close to bankruptcy, and we're getting closer daily the more we bail out corporations and the further we devalue our dollar. Basically we have been forced between a rock and a hard place as i see it.

Choose either, a completely obliterated economy or a weimar republic type dollar. Either way we are fubar in the long run.

 

[Low Key]

And what does the health care plan, mixed with the "You must have health care" law do? It means illegal immigrants are not covered AT ALL (Save for the ones who have done a damn good job forging certificates and such) AND will be fined for not having health care that they cannot recieve which means less tax payer money going into health care and some more illegal immigrants hard earned cash paying for everyone instead. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! Illegal is in the fucking name! Meaning they are not meant to be here! This is like claiming someone posing as a citizen but is actually a terrorist means America supports terrorism XD

How the fuck do you fine someone who doesn't have a social security number in this country? Please tell me. They can't even find the fuckers to kick them out.

Well lets see. Denied coverage, lack of social security number, a fine, and deportation... yeah I think that kinda solves the problem...

Yeah, because that's what's gonna happen. /sarcasm

That doesn't really fit Obama's image. He wants to make every illegal immigrant in this country a citizen.

 

[WhiteTiger225]

It is completely, at least for me, about freedom. If you want to or do receive medicine from your government, you are a serf. I'm not saying serfs are bad people, but they are not (in the full sense) free people. They have a patron government to whom they trade freedom for comfort.

In the American Republic as it started (it has gone downhill since) one was free. They looked to the government for nothing but to handle the things of the people (res publica) and owed the government virtually nothing. Remember that the US Constitution originally banned federal income tax; that took an amendment.

I oppose the expansion of any government program as a default position. I do this not because I am daft, ignorant, or indoctrinated. I do so because I am free, would like to be more free, and would like all to be free. I do not look to the government to personally help me; I am not a serf.

I the serfs of the world really want to stay that way, that is their business. I just remind them that all of their property the then by definition not theirs; neither is there health, work, money, children, and choices. You have given that to your patron for a decently comfortable shackle. I hope you are happy with your choice, because it is a very hard one to recant.

This. I don't want to be dependent on the government, in any way, shape, or form.

Thats nice dear, but some people don't have that luxury.

Cut a ton of taxes and what happens? People have more money to afford shit.

cut a ton of taxes, and we lose out on police forces, fire fighting forces, medical cutbacks (Government funded), loss of funds to fix roads which aid greatly in public transportation as well as other government maintenance funds. See, what you are arguing is not anti healthcare. It seems more Anti-Government really. Which I did see coming, because I remember back when green peace was anti destruction of nature, and quickly got warped into white youth elitists to vent their anger about "Corporations" and "Government" .

All road fixes are covered by excise taxes as I'm sure you should know. You pay this every time you fill your car up.

Again, why should I pay that bit of extra cash to fund your roads just so your car can drive more safely? My all terrain jeep can handle broken up roads, so I am fine with the roads being broken. Infact, if the law didn't force me to use this service of "Roads" when driving through the city, I wouldn't...

Starting to see a pattern here? I gain no real benefit from the road with my vehicle that I can say I care for. The same goes with one mans prior "I don't need the police, I will just shoot the burgler" I can just as easily drive on bare dirt as I can on the road. So why am I funding the upkeep of something I do not need, nor do I need to use at all?

 

[Mcupobob]

And what does the health care plan, mixed with the "You must have health care" law do? It means illegal immigrants are not covered AT ALL (Save for the ones who have done a damn good job forging certificates and such) AND will be fined for not having health care that they cannot recieve which means less tax payer money going into health care and some more illegal immigrants hard earned cash paying for everyone instead. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! Illegal is in the fucking name! Meaning they are not meant to be here! This is like claiming someone posing as a citizen but is actually a terrorist means America supports terrorism XD

How the fuck do you fine someone who doesn't have a social security number in this country? Please tell me. They can't even find the fuckers to kick them out.

Actually just wait, "comprehensive" immigration reform is next on the list. They will be covered cause our socialist leader so loves everyone that he's gonna make them all magically "legal". Hooray for bankruptcy!

I can hardly wait...

Well lets see. Denied coverage, lack of social security number, a fine, and deportation... yeah I think that kinda solves the problem...

And I love the bankruptcy statement, it is SO cute ^.^ People act like a .1% increase in taxes, or even 1% tax increase would cause bankruptcy. Not at ALL the oversaturation of the job market, or the war draining billions in government reserves to the point we are now in a trillion dollar deficet due 95% to the war draining resources like mad... nope.. can't be that at all it MUST be Obama.. even though he just joined recently and hasnt enacted shit yet yet somehow we are still in bankruptcy before this idea even came out... hmm...

The war actully made put money back into the country
some one needed to make the bullets so the goverment paid a company for that who then needed to hire more people to increase production. The list goes on with the same secnior unfiorms, guns, gun parts, and so on and so on. The people who got out of the military are far more likey to go to colleg now.
The money obama spent is more money then bush spent in 8 years and has not at all given back to the people.

 

[jpoon]

Actually, I am anything but republicrat. Constitutionalist here, I generally don't associate with either the left or the right, I see both of them as 2 wings of the same bird. Fakes.

 

[IceStar100]

The new plan Obama is pitching is everyone is required by law to have health insurance. If that passes, I will be one of the first people to start a class action lawsuit against the government. If I could afford health insurance, I'd already have it. I don't need a law to tell me to get it.

As far as universal health care, it's not that people don't want it. It's the fact that we have tens of millions of illegal immigrants in America who don't pay taxes, therefore should not receive free health care. If anyone thinks we should, they are wrong. Go ***** at the Mexican president about that. Plus, our welfare system is already totally fucked. I can't imagine any other free government program not being taken advantage of.

here here I could not say my thoughs better.

 

[WhiteTiger225]

And what does the health care plan, mixed with the "You must have health care" law do? It means illegal immigrants are not covered AT ALL (Save for the ones who have done a damn good job forging certificates and such) AND will be fined for not having health care that they cannot recieve which means less tax payer money going into health care and some more illegal immigrants hard earned cash paying for everyone instead. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! Illegal is in the fucking name! Meaning they are not meant to be here! This is like claiming someone posing as a citizen but is actually a terrorist means America supports terrorism XD

How the fuck do you fine someone who doesn't have a social security number in this country? Please tell me. They can't even find the fuckers to kick them out.

Actually just wait, "comprehensive" immigration reform is next on the list. They will be covered cause our socialist leader so loves everyone that he's gonna make them all magically "legal". Hooray for bankruptcy!

I can hardly wait...

Well lets see. Denied coverage, lack of social security number, a fine, and deportation... yeah I think that kinda solves the problem...

And I love the bankruptcy statement, it is SO cute ^.^ People act like a .1% increase in taxes, or even 1% tax increase would cause bankruptcy. Not at ALL the oversaturation of the job market, or the war draining billions in government reserves to the point we are now in a trillion dollar deficet due 95% to the war draining resources like mad... nope.. can't be that at all it MUST be Obama.. even though he just joined recently and hasnt enacted shit yet yet somehow we are still in bankruptcy before this idea even came out... hmm...

I really don't blame Obama for this situation, I do blame him for furthering the agenda. Bush is every bit as guilty and was easily one of the worst presidents we've had (at least in my lifetime). The wars we are in should have never been engaged, and were completely unlawful as congress did declare war as so stated in our constitution. I agree there. This country is damn close to bankruptcy, and we're getting closer daily the more we bail out corporations and the further we devalue our dollar. Basically we have been forced between a rock and a hard place as i see it.

Choose either, a completely obliterated economy or a weimar republic type dollar. Either way we are fubar in the long run.

But really if you look at the healthcare plan, heres what I am seeing. giving the people who DON'T have healthcare, government run healthcare, allows them to stop spending their money on expensive medications, and to start spending their money on luxury items and luxuries (A tad different, weird, I know XD) by spending such things, this spreads the money about more then just to the medical companies. This would also aid in stimulating the enconomy as we would see toy stores, car dealerships, jewelers, coffeshops, etc gaining more buisness with the money the lower class and even upper middle class in some cases save instead of throwing at medications. And really, I have to agree, we have to stop bailing out companies. Look at the great depression in the 20's. We bailed out individuals at times, but never did we save companies. letting larger companies die may lose jobs, but it also allows the smaller and average sized companies that survive the plight to grow, expand, and offer new jobs. Buisness needs to remain survival of the fittest. Treat buisness' like a nature show. You watch as the small lion tears aparts the dying mammoth of an elephant, but you don't butt in and save the elephant, you just watch nature take it's course.

 

[Imat]

It is completely, at least for me, about freedom. If you want to or do receive medicine from your government, you are a serf. I'm not saying serfs are bad people, but they are not (in the full sense) free people. They have a patron government to whom they trade freedom for comfort.

In the American Republic as it started (it has gone downhill since) one was free. They looked to the government for nothing but to handle the things of the people (res publica) and owed the government virtually nothing. Remember that the US Constitution originally banned federal income tax; that took an amendment.

I oppose the expansion of any government program as a default position. I do this not because I am daft, ignorant, or indoctrinated. I do so because I am free, would like to be more free, and would like all to be free. I do not look to the government to personally help me; I am not a serf.

I the serfs of the world really want to stay that way, that is their business. I just remind them that all of their property the then by definition not theirs; neither is there health, work, money, children, and choices. You have given that to your patron for a decently comfortable shackle. I hope you are happy with your choice, because it is a very hard one to recant.

This. I don't want to be dependent on the government, in any way, shape, or form.

Thats nice dear, but some people don't have that luxury.

Cut a ton of taxes and what happens? People have more money to afford shit.

cut a ton of taxes, and we lose out on police forces, fire fighting forces, medical cutbacks (Government funded), loss of funds to fix roads which aid greatly in public transportation as well as other government maintenance funds. See, what you are arguing is not anti healthcare. It seems more Anti-Government really. Which I did see coming, because I remember back when green peace was anti destruction of nature, and quickly got warped into white youth elitists to vent their anger about "Corporations" and "Government" .

All road fixes are covered by excise taxes as I'm sure you should know. You pay this every time you fill your car up.

Again, why should I pay that bit of extra cash to fund your roads just so your car can drive more safely? My all terrain jeep can handle broken up roads, so I am fine with the roads being broken. Infact, if the law didn't force me to use this service of "Roads" when driving through the city, I wouldn't...

Starting to see a pattern here? I gain no real benefit from the road with my vehicle that I can say I care for. The same goes with one mans prior "I don't need the police, I will just shoot the burgler" I can just as easily drive on bare dirt as I can on the road. So why am I funding the upkeep of something I do not need, nor do I need to use at all?

That's not true...Roads are far more efficient for driving, especially when it comes to adverse whether conditions. Even in an all terrain vehicle, it's far more efficient to drive on roads. So you can't drive "just as easily" off road. Not by a longshot. Or a hookshot.

 

[Mcupobob]

And what does the health care plan, mixed with the "You must have health care" law do? It means illegal immigrants are not covered AT ALL (Save for the ones who have done a damn good job forging certificates and such) AND will be fined for not having health care that they cannot recieve which means less tax payer money going into health care and some more illegal immigrants hard earned cash paying for everyone instead. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! Illegal is in the fucking name! Meaning they are not meant to be here! This is like claiming someone posing as a citizen but is actually a terrorist means America supports terrorism XD

How the fuck do you fine someone who doesn't have a social security number in this country? Please tell me. They can't even find the fuckers to kick them out.

Well lets see. Denied coverage, lack of social security number, a fine, and deportation... yeah I think that kinda solves the problem...

Yeah, because that's what's gonna happen. /sarcasm

That doesn't really fit Obama's image. He wants to make every illegal immigrant in this country a citizen.

Why not make immgrants illgale easyier for finding them a job and atleast they then need to pay taxs.
I'm not for U.H.C but i'm pro immgration

EDIT:sorry this realy has nothing to do with the thread

 

[jpoon]

It is completely, at least for me, about freedom. If you want to or do receive medicine from your government, you are a serf. I'm not saying serfs are bad people, but they are not (in the full sense) free people. They have a patron government to whom they trade freedom for comfort.

In the American Republic as it started (it has gone downhill since) one was free. They looked to the government for nothing but to handle the things of the people (res publica) and owed the government virtually nothing. Remember that the US Constitution originally banned federal income tax; that took an amendment.

I oppose the expansion of any government program as a default position. I do this not because I am daft, ignorant, or indoctrinated. I do so because I am free, would like to be more free, and would like all to be free. I do not look to the government to personally help me; I am not a serf.

I the serfs of the world really want to stay that way, that is their business. I just remind them that all of their property the then by definition not theirs; neither is there health, work, money, children, and choices. You have given that to your patron for a decently comfortable shackle. I hope you are happy with your choice, because it is a very hard one to recant.

This. I don't want to be dependent on the government, in any way, shape, or form.

Thats nice dear, but some people don't have that luxury.

Cut a ton of taxes and what happens? People have more money to afford shit.

cut a ton of taxes, and we lose out on police forces, fire fighting forces, medical cutbacks (Government funded), loss of funds to fix roads which aid greatly in public transportation as well as other government maintenance funds. See, what you are arguing is not anti healthcare. It seems more Anti-Government really. Which I did see coming, because I remember back when green peace was anti destruction of nature, and quickly got warped into white youth elitists to vent their anger about "Corporations" and "Government" .

All road fixes are covered by excise taxes as I'm sure you should know. You pay this every time you fill your car up.

Again, why should I pay that bit of extra cash to fund your roads just so your car can drive more safely? My all terrain jeep can handle broken up roads, so I am fine with the roads being broken. Infact, if the law didn't force me to use this service of "Roads" when driving through the city, I wouldn't...

Starting to see a pattern here? I gain no real benefit from the road with my vehicle that I can say I care for. The same goes with one mans prior "I don't need the police, I will just shoot the burgler" I can just as easily drive on bare dirt as I can on the road. So why am I funding the upkeep of something I do not need, nor do I need to use at all?

Well just stop buying gas and you won't have to fund road repair. Being that all road repairs are funded by EXCISE GAS TAX. I don't get the option to defund the government or the state, unfortunately or trust me I would.

 

[Kayevcee]

This. I don't want to be dependent on the government, in any way, shape, or form.

It pains me to use this argument twice, but it got flatly ignored last time, so here goes.

You'd turn away police help then?

I would turn away police. The police are just as corrupt as the government, or should I say a tool...
Anyways I use a gun its quicker.

*munches popcorn*

So... how many dudes have you killed so far, Mcupobob? I'm imagining you walking round town like Judge Dredd blasting shoplifters and taking out the tyres of speeding cars...

-Nick

 

[WhiteTiger225]

And what does the health care plan, mixed with the "You must have health care" law do? It means illegal immigrants are not covered AT ALL (Save for the ones who have done a damn good job forging certificates and such) AND will be fined for not having health care that they cannot recieve which means less tax payer money going into health care and some more illegal immigrants hard earned cash paying for everyone instead. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! Illegal is in the fucking name! Meaning they are not meant to be here! This is like claiming someone posing as a citizen but is actually a terrorist means America supports terrorism XD

How the fuck do you fine someone who doesn't have a social security number in this country? Please tell me. They can't even find the fuckers to kick them out.

Actually just wait, "comprehensive" immigration reform is next on the list. They will be covered cause our socialist leader so loves everyone that he's gonna make them all magically "legal". Hooray for bankruptcy!

I can hardly wait...

Well lets see. Denied coverage, lack of social security number, a fine, and deportation... yeah I think that kinda solves the problem...

And I love the bankruptcy statement, it is SO cute ^.^ People act like a .1% increase in taxes, or even 1% tax increase would cause bankruptcy. Not at ALL the oversaturation of the job market, or the war draining billions in government reserves to the point we are now in a trillion dollar deficet due 95% to the war draining resources like mad... nope.. can't be that at all it MUST be Obama.. even though he just joined recently and hasnt enacted shit yet yet somehow we are still in bankruptcy before this idea even came out... hmm...

The war actully made put money back into the country
some one needed to make the bullets so the goverment paid a company for that who then needed to hire more people to increase production. The list goes on with the same secnior unfiorms, guns, gun parts, and so on and so on. The people who got out of the military are far more likey to go to colleg now.
The money obama spent is more money then bush spent in 8 years and has not at all given back to the people.

There is so much bullshit here that I need a tractor to uncover the truth that got buried under it...

Yes the bullet making company put money back in the community.. but when the government runs low on money, who do they charge? Go on! Say it! SAY IT! lol

Also, bushes little war has cost us TRILLIONS in total.. Obama has not spent near that much bailing out companies (While I admit that is retarded, you are wrong in it costing more the bushes war AND you have yet to show how the health care plan will be bad in the long run)