US health care Mentality

[Mcupobob]

This. I don't want to be dependent on the government, in any way, shape, or form.

It pains me to use this argument twice, but it got flatly ignored last time, so here goes.

You'd turn away police help then?

I would turn away police. The police are just as corrupt as the government, or should I say a tool...
Anyways I use a gun its quicker.

*munches popcorn*

So... how many dudes have you killed so far, Mcupobob? I'm imagining you walking round town like Judge Dredd blasting shoplifters and taking out the tyres of speeding cars...

-Nick

Lol
you got me there, I don't police around my town theres no one who live here anyways im saying if someone tried to break into my House wouldn't you defend youself too?

 

[Siegreich]

It is completely, at least for me, about freedom. If you want to or do receive medicine from your government, you are a serf. I'm not saying serfs are bad people, but they are not (in the full sense) free people. They have a patron government to whom they trade freedom for comfort.

In the American Republic as it started (it has gone downhill since) one was free. They looked to the government for nothing but to handle the things of the people (res publica) and owed the government virtually nothing. Remember that the US Constitution originally banned federal income tax; that took an amendment.

I oppose the expansion of any government program as a default position. I do this not because I am daft, ignorant, or indoctrinated. I do so because I am free, would like to be more free, and would like all to be free. I do not look to the government to personally help me; I am not a serf.

I the serfs of the world really want to stay that way, that is their business. I just remind them that all of their property the then by definition not theirs; neither is there health, work, money, children, and choices. You have given that to your patron for a decently comfortable shackle. I hope you are happy with your choice, because it is a very hard one to recant.

This. I don't want to be dependent on the government, in any way, shape, or form.

You already are because they are the reason that we don't live in a jacked up anarchy

 

[jpoon]

And what does the health care plan, mixed with the "You must have health care" law do? It means illegal immigrants are not covered AT ALL (Save for the ones who have done a damn good job forging certificates and such) AND will be fined for not having health care that they cannot recieve which means less tax payer money going into health care and some more illegal immigrants hard earned cash paying for everyone instead. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! Illegal is in the fucking name! Meaning they are not meant to be here! This is like claiming someone posing as a citizen but is actually a terrorist means America supports terrorism XD

How the fuck do you fine someone who doesn't have a social security number in this country? Please tell me. They can't even find the fuckers to kick them out.

Actually just wait, "comprehensive" immigration reform is next on the list. They will be covered cause our socialist leader so loves everyone that he's gonna make them all magically "legal". Hooray for bankruptcy!

I can hardly wait...

Well lets see. Denied coverage, lack of social security number, a fine, and deportation... yeah I think that kinda solves the problem...

And I love the bankruptcy statement, it is SO cute ^.^ People act like a .1% increase in taxes, or even 1% tax increase would cause bankruptcy. Not at ALL the oversaturation of the job market, or the war draining billions in government reserves to the point we are now in a trillion dollar deficet due 95% to the war draining resources like mad... nope.. can't be that at all it MUST be Obama.. even though he just joined recently and hasnt enacted shit yet yet somehow we are still in bankruptcy before this idea even came out... hmm...

I really don't blame Obama for this situation, I do blame him for furthering the agenda. Bush is every bit as guilty and was easily one of the worst presidents we've had (at least in my lifetime). The wars we are in should have never been engaged, and were completely unlawful as congress did declare war as so stated in our constitution. I agree there. This country is damn close to bankruptcy, and we're getting closer daily the more we bail out corporations and the further we devalue our dollar. Basically we have been forced between a rock and a hard place as i see it.

Choose either, a completely obliterated economy or a weimar republic type dollar. Either way we are fubar in the long run.

But really if you look at the healthcare plan, heres what I am seeing. giving the people who DON'T have healthcare, government run healthcare, allows them to stop spending their money on expensive medications, and to start spending their money on luxury items and luxuries (A tad different, weird, I know XD) by spending such things, this spreads the money about more then just to the medical companies. This would also aid in stimulating the enconomy as we would see toy stores, car dealerships, jewelers, coffeshops, etc gaining more buisness with the money the lower class and even upper middle class in some cases save instead of throwing at medications. And really, I have to agree, we have to stop bailing out companies. Look at the great depression in the 20's. We bailed out individuals at times, but never did we save companies. letting larger companies die may lose jobs, but it also allows the smaller and average sized companies that survive the plight to grow, expand, and offer new jobs. Buisness needs to remain survival of the fittest. Treat buisness' like a nature show. You watch as the small lion tears aparts the dying mammoth of an elephant, but you don't butt in and save the elephant, you just watch nature take it's course.

Oh I agree, I think if the government could actually come and COMPETE with the free market and NOT take over the free market down the road this would work. However there are many who don't believe the government can control themselves like this. The free market will likely run circles around anything the government can offer but I'm willing to give this a shot. The major problem lies in the laws that need to be removed before the process will work effectively. Tort reform is a MUST, removal of state insurance boundaries are a MUST. This is only fair and will only further decrease cost and increase quality for everyone. I'm all for the government playing fair, I just don't trust that they CAN play fair.

 

[Sparrow]

It's just that the mass American public has been brainwashed into believing that Socialized Medicine is the tool of the devil thanks to a multi-billion dollar campaign by the Republican Party and HMO's.

Go watch "Sicko." by Michael Moore. That explains it.

PS. I'm from Britain .

Job done. Thread done. Reply done.

No, seriously. This post covers everything I was going to say. I'm even English too.

 

[Cliff_m85]

It is completely, at least for me, about freedom. If you want to or do receive medicine from your government, you are a serf. I'm not saying serfs are bad people, but they are not (in the full sense) free people. They have a patron government to whom they trade freedom for comfort.

In the American Republic as it started (it has gone downhill since) one was free. They looked to the government for nothing but to handle the things of the people (res publica) and owed the government virtually nothing. Remember that the US Constitution originally banned federal income tax; that took an amendment.

I oppose the expansion of any government program as a default position. I do this not because I am daft, ignorant, or indoctrinated. I do so because I am free, would like to be more free, and would like all to be free. I do not look to the government to personally help me; I am not a serf.

I the serfs of the world really want to stay that way, that is their business. I just remind them that all of their property the then by definition not theirs; neither is there health, work, money, children, and choices. You have given that to your patron for a decently comfortable shackle. I hope you are happy with your choice, because it is a very hard one to recant.

This. I don't want to be dependent on the government, in any way, shape, or form.

Thats nice dear, but some people don't have that luxury.

Cut a ton of taxes and what happens? People have more money to afford shit.

cut a ton of taxes, and we lose out on police forces, fire fighting forces, medical cutbacks (Government funded), loss of funds to fix roads which aid greatly in public transportation as well as other government maintenance funds. See, what you are arguing is not anti healthcare. It seems more Anti-Government really. Which I did see coming, because I remember back when green peace was anti destruction of nature, and quickly got warped into white youth elitists to vent their anger about "Corporations" and "Government" .

Oh, sorry. I forgot that all of our taxes are necessary and go to working institutions that help.

Oh wait, how about cutting the "war on drugs" nonsense? Cutting public education taxes? Lowering taxes on social security since it's in the death rattle as it is?

I'm not against helping people, I'm against being forced to help people. Add that you focused primarily on LOCAL GOVERNMENT again.

 

[Imat]

And what does the health care plan, mixed with the "You must have health care" law do? It means illegal immigrants are not covered AT ALL (Save for the ones who have done a damn good job forging certificates and such) AND will be fined for not having health care that they cannot recieve which means less tax payer money going into health care and some more illegal immigrants hard earned cash paying for everyone instead. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! Illegal is in the fucking name! Meaning they are not meant to be here! This is like claiming someone posing as a citizen but is actually a terrorist means America supports terrorism XD

How the fuck do you fine someone who doesn't have a social security number in this country? Please tell me. They can't even find the fuckers to kick them out.

Actually just wait, "comprehensive" immigration reform is next on the list. They will be covered cause our socialist leader so loves everyone that he's gonna make them all magically "legal". Hooray for bankruptcy!

I can hardly wait...

Well lets see. Denied coverage, lack of social security number, a fine, and deportation... yeah I think that kinda solves the problem...

And I love the bankruptcy statement, it is SO cute ^.^ People act like a .1% increase in taxes, or even 1% tax increase would cause bankruptcy. Not at ALL the oversaturation of the job market, or the war draining billions in government reserves to the point we are now in a trillion dollar deficet due 95% to the war draining resources like mad... nope.. can't be that at all it MUST be Obama.. even though he just joined recently and hasnt enacted shit yet yet somehow we are still in bankruptcy before this idea even came out... hmm...

I really don't blame Obama for this situation, I do blame him for furthering the agenda. Bush is every bit as guilty and was easily one of the worst presidents we've had (at least in my lifetime). The wars we are in should have never been engaged, and were completely unlawful as congress did declare war as so stated in our constitution. I agree there. This country is damn close to bankruptcy, and we're getting closer daily the more we bail out corporations and the further we devalue our dollar. Basically we have been forced between a rock and a hard place as i see it.

Choose either, a completely obliterated economy or a weimar republic type dollar. Either way we are fubar in the long run.

But really if you look at the healthcare plan, heres what I am seeing. giving the people who DON'T have healthcare, government run healthcare, allows them to stop spending their money on expensive medications, and to start spending their money on luxury items and luxuries (A tad different, weird, I know XD) by spending such things, this spreads the money about more then just to the medical companies. This would also aid in stimulating the enconomy as we would see toy stores, car dealerships, jewelers, coffeshops, etc gaining more buisness with the money the lower class and even upper middle class in some cases save instead of throwing at medications. And really, I have to agree, we have to stop bailing out companies. Look at the great depression in the 20's. We bailed out individuals at times, but never did we save companies. letting larger companies die may lose jobs, but it also allows the smaller and average sized companies that survive the plight to grow, expand, and offer new jobs. Buisness needs to remain survival of the fittest. Treat buisness' like a nature show. You watch as the small lion tears aparts the dying mammoth of an elephant, but you don't butt in and save the elephant, you just watch nature take it's course.

Couple things, not all directed at you: Unnecessary social programs probably consume as much if not more money that the actual war part of our spending. Research and Development for the armed forces is pretty big, but not anywhere near as big as the drain of these social programs (This all at the 95% goes to war guy).

For you: Not really. Socializing healthcare will increase taxes and put the country as a whole further into debt. So they may have a tiny bit more money to spend on luxuries, but they will also be paying for expensive medications whether they receive them or not. Plus you're looking at this RECESSION as if it is going to last many, many more years. Way to be optimistic. I have a feeling once people start spending their cash instead of storing it under mattresses because they don't want Walmart to get any more money this RECESSION will end pretty quickly. Also, we need to stop bailing out companies. Unlikely to work.

 

[sneakypenguin]

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Just like if I am on the same medical coverage plan as you are (Private) My money goes to pay for you everytime you visit a doctor. See? Same shit, just different runner of it.

But in a private system you have options if X is to high or not providing good service I can chose Y. Throw in a government system and i'm paying that but no option to get out of it. And if I want private care then I have to pay on top of what I already pay for taxpayer funded healthcare.

 

[jpoon]

It's just that the mass American public has been brainwashed into believing that Socialized Medicine is the tool of the devil thanks to a multi-billion dollar campaign by the Republican Party and HMO's.

Go watch "Sicko." by Michael Moore. That explains it.

PS. I'm from Britain .

Job done. Thread done. Reply done.

No, seriously. This post covers everything I was going to say. I'm even English too.

It's hardly that simple or we'd all be agreeing. Or so I would believe. Maybe if you guys sent me a few pounds to help me change my mind... =D

 

[Cliff_m85]

I've gone through a few years of private insurance trying left and right to deny me the coverage they're being paid to give me. They wanted me to foot the bill on 250 dollar medication that they cover because they would change their policy and expectations of what I had to do to be covered MONTHLY.

You know what? I don't give a shit if public health care is lower quality on average. Put simply, public health care couldn't in any way be worse then what I'm already going through with a health care plan that costs near thousands a month a month to cover a family.

I also have friends who simply can't afford private health care and they're dying without medication they should be getting but can't afford. Its not through any fault of their own; pharmaceutical companies charge ludicrous ammounts of money for medications they need and they don't have jobs that supply health care to them.

Why do they do it? I think its less based on the fact of how much it costs to produce and more on the fact that they can say 'What? You're not gonna pay for it? Have fun dying then.' when someone refuses to buy.

The current system in America is sick and needs to change. I hope that these companies don't get their way for my health and the health of my friends.

I suffer from depression that gets so bad, I tried to kill myself on numerous occasion, the depression is caused by an inbalance in a certain chemical in my brain which prevents my body when it becomes unbalanced from producing endorphines (Meaning I cannot feel true happyness sometimes) this expensive medication I take fixes this... but I havent had it for 6 weeks because I have a choice of having medication and living on the streets, or having a home...

Is there any way I can help you? I personally give to charity all the time. I like doing so. It makes me feel good about myself.

But what we're talking about is not charity. It's not "should I give this young man some money to help?" and deciding yes and tossing some cash your way or saying no and walking off. It's forced. I would legally be obligated to give you money or get thrown in jail. That is not charity and you should not be proud of someone robbing for you.

Just like if I am on the same medical coverage plan as you are (Private) My money goes to pay for you everytime you visit a doctor. See? Same shit, just different runner of it.

I don't have insurance. I am getting a HSA though, much more logical and prevents government interferance.

And if you become terminally Ill and your HSA funds deplete? Who pays then? (I know its not very likely to happen, but it does happen.)

HSA's cover terminal items, the funds are primarily for little things. Checkups, slight sicknesses, whatnot. It prevents over consumption.

 

[Mcupobob]

And what does the health care plan, mixed with the "You must have health care" law do? It means illegal immigrants are not covered AT ALL (Save for the ones who have done a damn good job forging certificates and such) AND will be fined for not having health care that they cannot recieve which means less tax payer money going into health care and some more illegal immigrants hard earned cash paying for everyone instead. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! Illegal is in the fucking name! Meaning they are not meant to be here! This is like claiming someone posing as a citizen but is actually a terrorist means America supports terrorism XD

How the fuck do you fine someone who doesn't have a social security number in this country? Please tell me. They can't even find the fuckers to kick them out.

Actually just wait, "comprehensive" immigration reform is next on the list. They will be covered cause our socialist leader so loves everyone that he's gonna make them all magically "legal". Hooray for bankruptcy!

I can hardly wait...

Well lets see. Denied coverage, lack of social security number, a fine, and deportation... yeah I think that kinda solves the problem...

And I love the bankruptcy statement, it is SO cute ^.^ People act like a .1% increase in taxes, or even 1% tax increase would cause bankruptcy. Not at ALL the oversaturation of the job market, or the war draining billions in government reserves to the point we are now in a trillion dollar deficet due 95% to the war draining resources like mad... nope.. can't be that at all it MUST be Obama.. even though he just joined recently and hasnt enacted shit yet yet somehow we are still in bankruptcy before this idea even came out... hmm...

The war actully made put money back into the country
some one needed to make the bullets so the goverment paid a company for that who then needed to hire more people to increase production. The list goes on with the same secnior unfiorms, guns, gun parts, and so on and so on. The people who got out of the military are far more likey to go to colleg now.
The money obama spent is more money then bush spent in 8 years and has not at all given back to the people.

There is so much bullshit here that I need a tractor to uncover the truth that got buried under it...

Yes the bullet making company put money back in the community.. but when the government runs low on money, who do they charge? Go on! Say it! SAY IT! lol

Also, bushes little war has cost us TRILLIONS in total.. Obama has not spent near that much bailing out companies (While I admit that is retarded, you are wrong in it costing more the bushes war AND you have yet to show how the health care plan will be bad in the long run)

And what does the health care plan, mixed with the "You must have health care" law do? It means illegal immigrants are not covered AT ALL (Save for the ones who have done a damn good job forging certificates and such) AND will be fined for not having health care that they cannot recieve which means less tax payer money going into health care and some more illegal immigrants hard earned cash paying for everyone instead. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! Illegal is in the fucking name! Meaning they are not meant to be here! This is like claiming someone posing as a citizen but is actually a terrorist means America supports terrorism XD

How the fuck do you fine someone who doesn't have a social security number in this country? Please tell me. They can't even find the fuckers to kick them out.

Actually just wait, "comprehensive" immigration reform is next on the list. They will be covered cause our socialist leader so loves everyone that he's gonna make them all magically "legal". Hooray for bankruptcy!

I can hardly wait...

Well lets see. Denied coverage, lack of social security number, a fine, and deportation... yeah I think that kinda solves the problem...

And I love the bankruptcy statement, it is SO cute ^.^ People act like a .1% increase in taxes, or even 1% tax increase would cause bankruptcy. Not at ALL the oversaturation of the job market, or the war draining billions in government reserves to the point we are now in a trillion dollar deficet due 95% to the war draining resources like mad... nope.. can't be that at all it MUST be Obama.. even though he just joined recently and hasnt enacted shit yet yet somehow we are still in bankruptcy before this idea even came out... hmm...

The war actully made put money back into the country
some one needed to make the bullets so the goverment paid a company for that who then needed to hire more people to increase production. The list goes on with the same secnior unfiorms, guns, gun parts, and so on and so on. The people who got out of the military are far more likey to go to colleg now.
The money obama spent is more money then bush spent in 8 years and has not at all given back to the people.

There is so much bullshit here that I need a tractor to uncover the truth that got buried under it...

Yes the bullet making company put money back in the community.. but when the government runs low on money, who do they charge? Go on! Say it! SAY IT! lol

Also, bushes little war has cost us TRILLIONS in total.. Obama has not spent near that much bailing out companies (While I admit that is retarded, you are wrong in it costing more the bushes war AND you have yet to show how the health care plan will be bad in the long run)

"Obama has spent 36 billion a day since he took office, more than Bush's 7 years on the war etc, Make you mad?
GOP senator said that on CNN, google it!"


Not sure if this is 100% true I went to yahoo answers for this fact if you can find how much obama has spent compared to bush post back. and I never said that the healthcare plan will be bad in the long run I'm saying I just don't want it the less the goverment has to do the better.

 

[Gadeladriel]

My U.S. History teacher usually lists things like his health-care plan as "Socialism/Communism". It's hard to sit through her classes, because she will talk about Obama's plans and at the end say "Soounds like a good idea, right, but... [attempt to debunk].

 

[Low Key]

And what does the health care plan, mixed with the "You must have health care" law do? It means illegal immigrants are not covered AT ALL (Save for the ones who have done a damn good job forging certificates and such) AND will be fined for not having health care that they cannot recieve which means less tax payer money going into health care and some more illegal immigrants hard earned cash paying for everyone instead. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! Illegal is in the fucking name! Meaning they are not meant to be here! This is like claiming someone posing as a citizen but is actually a terrorist means America supports terrorism XD

How the fuck do you fine someone who doesn't have a social security number in this country? Please tell me. They can't even find the fuckers to kick them out.

Well lets see. Denied coverage, lack of social security number, a fine, and deportation... yeah I think that kinda solves the problem...

Yeah, because that's what's gonna happen. /sarcasm

That doesn't really fit Obama's image. He wants to make every illegal immigrant in this country a citizen.

Why not make immgrants illgale easyier for finding them a job and atleast they then need to pay taxs.
I'm not for U.H.C but i'm pro immgration

EDIT:sorry this realy has nothing to do with the thread

Or they could enter this country the correct, LEGAL way. Oh yeah, they can't, not even under amnesty reasons caused by the drug cartels, because a lot of them are felons.

But you are right. This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. If you would like to rebutt, please do. I'll respond privately the next time I'm on here.

 

[Imat]

And what does the health care plan, mixed with the "You must have health care" law do? It means illegal immigrants are not covered AT ALL (Save for the ones who have done a damn good job forging certificates and such) AND will be fined for not having health care that they cannot recieve which means less tax payer money going into health care and some more illegal immigrants hard earned cash paying for everyone instead. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! Illegal is in the fucking name! Meaning they are not meant to be here! This is like claiming someone posing as a citizen but is actually a terrorist means America supports terrorism XD

How the fuck do you fine someone who doesn't have a social security number in this country? Please tell me. They can't even find the fuckers to kick them out.

Actually just wait, "comprehensive" immigration reform is next on the list. They will be covered cause our socialist leader so loves everyone that he's gonna make them all magically "legal". Hooray for bankruptcy!

I can hardly wait...

Well lets see. Denied coverage, lack of social security number, a fine, and deportation... yeah I think that kinda solves the problem...

And I love the bankruptcy statement, it is SO cute ^.^ People act like a .1% increase in taxes, or even 1% tax increase would cause bankruptcy. Not at ALL the oversaturation of the job market, or the war draining billions in government reserves to the point we are now in a trillion dollar deficet due 95% to the war draining resources like mad... nope.. can't be that at all it MUST be Obama.. even though he just joined recently and hasnt enacted shit yet yet somehow we are still in bankruptcy before this idea even came out... hmm...

The war actully made put money back into the country
some one needed to make the bullets so the goverment paid a company for that who then needed to hire more people to increase production. The list goes on with the same secnior unfiorms, guns, gun parts, and so on and so on. The people who got out of the military are far more likey to go to colleg now.
The money obama spent is more money then bush spent in 8 years and has not at all given back to the people.

There is so much bullshit here that I need a tractor to uncover the truth that got buried under it...

Yes the bullet making company put money back in the community.. but when the government runs low on money, who do they charge? Go on! Say it! SAY IT! lol

Also, bushes little war has cost us TRILLIONS in total.. Obama has not spent near that much bailing out companies (While I admit that is retarded, you are wrong in it costing more the bushes war AND you have yet to show how the health care plan will be bad in the long run)

And this is incorrect...We haven't spent even A Trillion US Dollars on the war. 2010 is set to change that FACT, but so far we haven't passed the $trillion mark.

 

[Berethond]

Obama wants 900 million dollars for health care over the next ten years.

How on earth does it cost three million dollars to insure each person for ten years?

 

[jpoon]

Yeah, Obama has definitely had a major spending spree since he was selected for office. Bush was no angel, he was a moron of epic proportions but Obama is easily going to outspend the last 8 presidents combined if he gets his healthcare "reform".

 

[Starnerf]

Obama wants 900 million dollars for health care over the next ten years.

How on earth does it cost three million dollars to insure each person for ten years?

There's only 300 people in the US?

 

[Berethond]

And what does the health care plan, mixed with the "You must have health care" law do? It means illegal immigrants are not covered AT ALL (Save for the ones who have done a damn good job forging certificates and such) AND will be fined for not having health care that they cannot recieve which means less tax payer money going into health care and some more illegal immigrants hard earned cash paying for everyone instead. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! Illegal is in the fucking name! Meaning they are not meant to be here! This is like claiming someone posing as a citizen but is actually a terrorist means America supports terrorism XD

How the fuck do you fine someone who doesn't have a social security number in this country? Please tell me. They can't even find the fuckers to kick them out.

Well lets see. Denied coverage, lack of social security number, a fine, and deportation... yeah I think that kinda solves the problem...

Yeah, because that's what's gonna happen. /sarcasm

That doesn't really fit Obama's image. He wants to make every illegal immigrant in this country a citizen.

Why not make immgrants illgale easyier for finding them a job and atleast they then need to pay taxs.
I'm not for U.H.C but i'm pro immgration

EDIT:sorry this realy has nothing to do with the thread

Actually, we need to force all employers to pay illegal immigrants minimum wage, with all the benefits they extend to legal workers.

But they still get the same penalties if caught hiring illegal workers.

Hence, removing all the rewards for hiring illegals.

 

[Berethond]

Obama wants 900 million Billion dollars for health care over the next ten years.

How on earth does it cost three million dollars to insure each person for ten years?

There's only 300 people in the US?

Typo.
...
I'm still doing something wrong with my math...
But the point is right, I've got one of my other numbers wrong.

 

[Mcupobob]

Obama wants 900 million dollars for health care over the next ten years.

How on earth does it cost three million dollars to insure each person for ten years?

There's only 300 people in the US?

yes there only seems like there is more due to holograms and illegals.

Do you mean 900 trillon btw?

EDIT: saw the post above

 

[Starnerf]

Obama wants 900 million Billion dollars for health care over the next ten years.

How on earth does it cost three million dollars to insure each person for ten years?

There's only 300 people in the US?

Typo.
...
I'm still doing something wrong with my math...
But the point is right, I've got one of my other numbers wrong.

Well, there's 300 million people in the US, but only 99,880,223 people paid taxes in 2005. SO $900 Billion comes out to around $9,000 per taxpayer.