Vague case warrens The death penalty

[zehydra]

He's been killed.

I think some degree of justice reform is needed, at least where the death penalty is concerned. The only real justification I can think of for having a government use the death penalty on its citizen is in the name of Justice, which I am beginning to think is not a very good reason to imprison or kill someone.

 

[RaikuFA]

I am sad to announce that Mr troy Davis has been executed even though they put the execution on hold at 7pm to wait for the news from the supreme court. apparently it did not go through and they executed him....so yeah in Georgia no matter how doubtful your case is u can still get the death penalty apparently....and there goes my respect in the US justice system

you mean you had some respect before?

may God give him a perfect place in heaven

 

[alik44]

I am sad to announce that Mr troy Davis has been executed even though they put the execution on hold at 7pm to wait for the news from the supreme court. apparently it did not go through and they executed him....so yeah in Georgia no matter how doubtful your case is u can still get the death penalty apparently....and there goes my respect in the US justice system

you mean you had some respect before?

may God give him a perfect place in heaven

When I heard about this case i though that "well with all this doubt the justice system would have to be really stupid to execute him when there is a good 40-50% that the man may be innocent" but no they kill him. and thats when my respect for them Drops to a painfully new low.

 

[Agayek]

You sir, and people who think as you do, need to be deported.
I don't want to even live in the same country as people that think the same way as you.
The fact that you vote disturbs me.
America has only one way to go and that is forward. If you cannot also move in this direction, and wish to believe and say things like that, then you should get out of the way.
You wouldn't be talking so tough if you had to see death up close.

How is it not moving forward to want criminals to be punished?

Society exists as a social contract. Those that violate the contract must be punished or society becomes meaningless.

You can wax philosophic about mercy and redemption and all that, but there's one basic fact that that doesn't take into account. Some people are simply beyond redemption. They do terrible things and they aren't even apologetic for it. Allowing these people any leeway does a terrible disservice to their victims, society and the perpetrators themselves. They made the choice to act as they did, they must be punished for it.

 

[Tselis]

Speaking as someone who agrees with the death penalty, I have to say I find this case iffy. With no weapon, no DNA, no video, no solid evidence and seemingly no eye witness willing to stand by their testimony, this case has all the makings of the case that will 'break the justice system', as so many opponents of capital punishment have been saying for years. Up until now (to my knowledge) there has never been an innocent person executed because death penalty cases are so exhaustively reviewed. Up until now opponents of capital punishment have only had moral ground to stand on, saying that there would come a case where an innocent person would be executed. This may be that case, I don't know.

 

[WolfThomas]

My last meal would be comprised mostly of prunes, then I'd drink a gallon of water... my final revenge on the world.

My last meal would be a litre of olive oil and a kilo of uncooked pop corn. Then I'd request the electric chair.

 

[WolfThomas]

I'm not an opponent to the death penalty in theory, there are indeed some people out there that are practically rabid dogs needing to be put down. (Here comes the) but I think if even one innocent person is wrongfully executed that it defeats the entire purpose, to that end I object to the system in the United States, not commenting on this case in particular but the whole system seems like it's open to significant flaws.

To that end in my perfect society only war criminals and unrepentant confessed serial killers and mass murders would be exectued.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/15/texas-executions-controversial-cases?intcmp=239

read that article and tell me how you could possible support the death penalty

Simply chilling.

 

[Tselis]

Speaking as someone who agrees with the death penalty, I have to say I find this case iffy. With no weapon, no DNA, no video, no solid evidence and seemingly no eye witness willing to stand by their testimony, this case has all the makings of the case that will 'break the justice system', as so many opponents of capital punishment have been saying for years. Up until now (to my knowledge) there has never been an innocent person executed because death penalty cases are so exhaustively reviewed. Up until now opponents of capital punishment have only had moral ground to stand on, saying that there would come a case where an innocent person would be executed. This may be that case, I don't know.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/15/texas-executions-controversial-cases?intcmp=239

read that article and tell me how you could possible support the death penalty

I don't need to read it. I believe in punishment, plain and simple. Society is a series of social contracts. When those contracts are breached then punishment needs to occur. Not just for the criminal in question, but also for everyone else. Family and friends of victims need to know that the people responsible will be punished, and people considering committing a crime need to know that there will be serious repercussions to their actions. Beyond that, I believe in monsters. Not the kind that your mother always told you weren't under the bed or in your closet. No, these are the kind of monsters that sneak into an elderly woman's home to rape her. These are the kind of monsters that take a child, abuse them horribly and leave them mangled in a ditch somewhere. These are the monsters that would murder their fellow man for his ipad. These are the monsters that walk around us everyday. They look human, they speak like a human does, and they are monsters inside. These are the kind of monsters that you won't discover until they have you alone, until it's far, far too late. They do not deserve mercy, they deserve to be put down. It's really just that simple. There are points in time when a human surrenders their humanity to do something so horrible that both they and the act are inhuman. There is a point where redemption should no longer be considered beyond what they themselves can find with whatever spiritual body they believe in. To do otherwise is a grave disservice both to society and to the forgotten victims these monsters leave in their wake. There is so much talk about death penalty, when do people talk about the dead? People disappear when they die, they become forgotten to the public memory, living on only in the hearts and minds of the people who loved them most. What lingers is the horror that took them. Monsters fascinate. They always have and they always will. Humans have always been both drawn too and repelled by the dark. If we are going to achieve justice, we might want to try to remember the victims as more than just statistics. That's what I believe anyway.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

Speaking as someone who agrees with the death penalty, I have to say I find this case iffy. With no weapon, no DNA, no video, no solid evidence and seemingly no eye witness willing to stand by their testimony, this case has all the makings of the case that will 'break the justice system', as so many opponents of capital punishment have been saying for years. Up until now (to my knowledge) there has never been an innocent person executed because death penalty cases are so exhaustively reviewed. Up until now opponents of capital punishment have only had moral ground to stand on, saying that there would come a case where an innocent person would be executed. This may be that case, I don't know.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/15/texas-executions-controversial-cases?intcmp=239

read that article and tell me how you could possible support the death penalty

I'm still reading the article, but I have to say that the Nichols case is...wrong on so many levels. Fuck the justice system, it seems.

Edit: The first Nichols case, with the store robbery. I wasn't expecting two different Nichols cases.

 

[WolfThomas]

LeSNIP

You should probably read the article it's not about whether the death penalty is right or wrong (well there is an underlying ant-execution vibe). It's about cases that are straight up dubious. Like two seperate people get the death penalty for the same murder, not like accomplices, each trial saying that the defendant shot the person. One bullet, two executions. Or someone getting executed on the basis on one Fire Marshel's unsupported thinking a fire might have been intentional. And many more. If half of what they say is true, it's pretty darn disturbing.

 

[Tselis]

LeSNIP

You should probably read the article it's not about whether the death penalty is right or wrong (well there is an underlying ant-execution vibe). It's about cases that are straight up dubious. Like two seperate people get the death penalty for the same murder, not like accomplices, each trial saying that the defendant shot the person. One bullet, two executions. Or someone getting executed on the basis on one Fire Marshel's unsupported thinking a fire might have been intentional. And many more. If half of what they say is true, it's pretty darn disturbing.

I'm not going to say that there aren't flaws. Where there are humans there are flaws. It's always going to be that way. That in no way should undermine that fact that punishment still needs to be laid out. Me personally, I feel that any death penalty case should be refereed to a wholly separate judicial system. One with loads more staff, specially trained lawyers and judges and prosecutors (to limit appeals on technicalities) and impartial investigators (not local police). Not only would it ensure an impartial collection and review of the materials and facts at hand, but it would provide more security to the system and everyone involved. It would also provide more jobs to a lagging economy. I believe in the Death Penalty, but I also believe we should be executing the right people. To execute the innocent is both useless and makes a mockery of the entire affair.

 

[ShindoL Shill]

In cases where the victim is a member of law enforcement, the military or emergency services, if the death penalty is an available punishment, it's almost universally the sentence handed down with a guilty verdict.

the OP is wondering why he's guilty because there is literally fuck all evidence. all they have is one witness. 7 changed testimony and one had already left the scene, and had 7 people accusing him.

 

[cookyy2k]

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Well they delay did him no good, the supreme court rejected a stay and he was executed.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/us-supreme-court-refuses-spare-troy-davis-013708947.html

 

[InfiniteSingularity]

Is this cause he was a policeman? Fuck that.

 

[thevillageidiot13]

These 7 witnesses, when did they decide to change what they saw? In 20 years it's quite easy to forget what you saw or what happened, especialy if it's quite dramatic.
Earlier this year, I was involved in something quite horrific, and I can't quite remember what happened that night, my dad and his partner both say diffrent things about what happened that night. The 8 months in between haven't helped us remember, now our recounts of what happened that night have blended into one, and I can't remember what I thought back then.
So imagine this but over 20 years, lots of stories, and diffrent opinions, and you will soon forget what you saw, and what happened, and pretty soon start to doubt yourself.

A few of the witnesses were basically coerced/pressured by police to point the finger at Troy Davis (i.e.: "Tell us who did it or we'll have you arrested on aiding and abetting" even when they couldn't say for sure.)

 

[Aerodyamic]

In cases where the victim is a member of law enforcement, the military or emergency services, if the death penalty is an available punishment, it's almost universally the sentence handed down with a guilty verdict.

the OP is wondering why he's guilty because there is literally fuck all evidence. all they have is one witness. 7 changed testimony and one had already left the scene, and had 7 people accusing him.

Unfortunately, that's the US judicial system; quick to find fault, and unwilling to admit that any mistakes were made.