Vague case warrens The death penalty

[Kevak]

Congrats! The US justice system is now worse then NGermany's! Thats really hard to do! Whoever was in charge of this should be ashamed of themself!

 

[Asehujiko]

Good job completely ignoring my point and posting another rant about the same fallacy.

I did address your point, but I guess I need to explicitly spell it out.

Someone commits a crime, they should be punished in a manner befitting the crime. If, after they are released, they commit another crime, they should be punished again, as many times as are necessary. If they can't figure out that some actions are unacceptable, they should be removed from society at large for however long it takes to sink in.

It is not the responsibility of the state to rehabilitate criminals. It is the responsibility of the criminals to rehabilitate themselves. If they cannot do so, they are not worthy of existing in society.

Everyone should be held accountable for their actions and decisions. Nothing more, and nothing less. The criminals made a decision to violate the law. The onus is entirely on them to become productive, or at the very least non-detrimental, members of society. If they can't hack it, they don't deserve to come out of prison.

See previous post. Still missing the point. That's not how human psychology works and your proposes system is terrible.

 

[Agayek]

See previous post. Still missing the point. That's not how human psychology works and your proposes system is terrible.

I don't care how human psychology works. If someone commits a crime, they must be punished for it. It should be a punishment fitting of the crime.

If that means they never learn their lesson, then they never get to be free. It's as simple as that.

 

[Psub Xero]

I am for the idea of the death penalty in that I think that there are some monsters in this world that need to be slain. However I don't think that any government on Earth is currently capable of carrying out the practice of the death penalty. I have heard of a lot of stories in which loose witness testimony was the only thing convicting a person. Not only has witness testimony been scientifically proven time and time again to be total shit but in a lot of those cases the person was CLEARED of the crime by DNA evidence after they died. There is actually an organization dedicated to exonerating the innocent with DNA evidence.

http://www.innocenceproject.org/

 

[Asehujiko]

See previous post. Still missing the point. That's not how human psychology works and your proposes system is terrible.

I don't care how human psychology works. If someone commits a crime, they must be punished for it. It should be a punishment fitting of the crime.

If that means they never learn their lesson, then they never get to be free. It's as simple as that.

Thanks. By admitting that you don't care about the premier factor defining how morality works, we can finally conclude this discussion with the end result being that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Get back to me when your whole idea of "justice" isn't a logical fallacy based on false assumptions anymore.

 

[Agayek]

Thanks. By admitting that you don't care about the premier factor defining how morality works, we can finally conclude this discussion with the end result being that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Get back to me when your whole idea of "justice" isn't a logical fallacy based on false assumptions anymore.

Psychology has nothing to do with morality. Psychology is the study of the function of the human mind. Morality is one of the basic principles of human interaction. Psychology plays a part in acting moral yes, but it does not define it.

We're approaching the concept of criminal justice from two distinct perspectives. Clearly, you believe justice should be about redemption and rehabilitation. I, on the other hand, think it should be about punishment. It's a fundamental difference of opinion. There is no fallacy to be found, in either stance.

I do find it curious though that you never support your argument with anything more sophisticated than "no, you're wrong".