Valve Doesn't Hate Origin

[screwvalve]

Except they weren't the first, they were just the first to stay with it and make the benefits far outweigh the cons(steam sales anyone?). Not to mention that as a company they're much more trustworthy than EA or Activision, so when they say that they will remove steam DRM if they ever shut the servers down one tends to trust them. Well, that and it's pretty easy to strip the DRM if necessary and the server end can be emulated pretty easy worst case scenario. Such is not true for most of the other schemes out there.

Moot points now. Who says they can't offer sales like those steam sales? It's not like others can do anything that Steam does, which includes removing the DRM layer if they shutdown, and using hamachi and such to emulate server ends. You put too much trust on Valve, more than it deserves it. $1 = €1 is not trustworthy.

 

[Metalrocks]

never got anything form origin. but i had to make an account so that i can buy the DLCs for ME2. even though i got them from the bioware page but well, you have to sign in with EA so that you can even use the damn DLCs in the game.
i seriously dont miss EA on my pc but still forcing me to open an account with them that i can play a game which originally comes from bioware.

 

[Baresark]

I'm a bit put off by EA's tactics. There is literally 1 game I give a shit about from them at this point and it's the only game you NEED Origin for (BF3). I have to say, if EA goes back on Steam and I need to sign into Origin through Steam to play any future games, I will lose my mind. This is the sole reason I stopped buying Ubisoft games. There launcher is an atrocious joke.

 

[Baresark]

Except they weren't the first, they were just the first to stay with it and make the benefits far outweigh the cons(steam sales anyone?). Not to mention that as a company they're much more trustworthy than EA or Activision, so when they say that they will remove steam DRM if they ever shut the servers down one tends to trust them. Well, that and it's pretty easy to strip the DRM if necessary and the server end can be emulated pretty easy worst case scenario. Such is not true for most of the other schemes out there.

Moot points now. Who says they can't offer sales like those steam sales? It's not like others can do anything that Steam does, which includes removing the DRM layer if they shutdown, and using hamachi and such to emulate server ends. You put too much trust on Valve, more than it deserves it. $1 = €1 is not trustworthy.

That rate pricing scheme is not determined by Steam, it's determined by the publishers who sell through Steam. You can't blame that on Steam, poor price localization is a fault of the entire industry. Just like Gamestop doesn't determine the prices, neither does Steam. Now, EA determines the prices for their stuff on Origin, so if they aren't the best price around, then that is that. I have bought 2 EA games recently, and only when I got them cheap on Amazon. I have registered them with Origin, but I never have it running, unless I'm playing the BF3 Beta.... still not sure if I'm gonna buy it.

 

[Funkysandwich]

I hope more publishers do it too, competition is great, why should Valve get a piece of the pie with every one of the big publisher releases? Why make Newell even fatter than he is now? Valve dont contribute nothing to those games, they just charge a % to allow people remotely download the games after their rental client remotely logs to their own serverfarms.

Activision having battle.net sell 3rd party games, and making WoW f2p, wow, I'd love to see that. That'd get Gabe Newell really worried. He'd eat even more cake than he does now.

I doubt that battle.net selling other games and WoW going F2P would upset valve at all. Enough people are invested in Steam to the point where they wouldn't see a loss in profit at all. Also, WoW is already huge and caters to a different market then Steam, which does have some MMO's, but I doubt they make up a significant portion of their sales.

What's your problem with Valve anyway? I've never had any problems with them at all. The whole currency issue is not a problem for me, I pay for all of my Steam stuff in US dollars, and that works out roughly $20 cheaper then retail for most AAA titles over here.

 

[Necabo]

I'm a bit put off by EA's tactics. There is literally 1 game I give a shit about from them at this point and it's the only game you NEED Origin for (BF3). I have to say, if EA goes back on Steam and I need to sign into Origin through Steam to play any future games, I will lose my mind. This is the sole reason I stopped buying Ubisoft games. There launcher is an atrocious joke.

so true: Origin and steam is essentially the same thing, right? Two of the same things is just more trouble for the customers. They should just fuse back again, it is not like they will lose any sail because of it.
Personally I was quite pissed I had to download origin to play the BF3beta

 

[DTWolfwood]

can i safely assume the 3 of the 4 million are there because of BF3? XD

Eh, unlike Steam, Origin is stable and doesn't chow down on CPU and RAM until your computer grinds to a halt and bursts into tears under the insane demands of the system.

Just my 2 cents.

Really? What program are you using? Definitely not Orgin, which with the window closed and running in the backround takes 70-90,000k of memory usage, compared to steam in the backround while running an open chat chat window using voice takes up only 13,000k. Please, give me whatever program you're using because I would like it.

I would also like to know actually because im on the same boat as Lillowh

 

[Lukeje]

get a fucking console!!! no DRM or Origin there!

Did you never think that linking software into a specific hardware was just as bad, if not worse?

 

[Epona]

Anyone notice that Origin takes forever to load. It takes 15 seconds before the log in window even comes up and another 10 seconds to load in the store. So 20-25 seconds from click to ready.

I wonder what it's doing for those first 15 seconds.

Right now Origin is very short on content and so there is no reason for me to use it yet.

 

[KennardKId5]

I definitely think that IN ITS CURRENT STATE Origin is highly inferior to Steam. Especially since I took a look in the kind Task Manager and got all I need to know. Not to mention that the downloading thing is a bit wacky, I've had to redownload BF3 because the progress bar was stuck at 100%. Not to mention I waited for an hour for an EA "expert" to come and do nothing.

 

[Epona]

How can you not remember its name? HALF LIFE 2! And every valve game since then has needed steam and yes valve did force it on consumers but they didn't start out as bad as ea did, which a eula that stated it was spyware. As I said before, steam is more like a store, origin is more like an apple store, you wont see a microsoft product in an apple store, you probably wont find an activision or thq or ubisoft product on origin since they are in direct competition with ea.

Really the big worry is that each publisher will decide they want to have their own proprietary digital distribution store and only sell their own shit though it so everyone needs a ton of the damn things. Activision already has the blizzard store and its the only digital distribution that has bliz games.

I hope more publishers do it too, competition is great, why should Valve get a piece of the pie with every one of the big publisher releases? Why make Newell even fatter than he is now? Valve dont contribute nothing to those games, they just charge a % to allow people remotely download the games after their rental client remotely logs to their own serverfarms.

Activision having battle.net sell 3rd party games, and making WoW f2p, wow, I'd love to see that. That'd get Newell really worried.

Its not competition, competition is between steam and impulse, this is just publisher drm bullshit. Really talking to you is pointless, I just read your name.

Even though I love Steam and I think no other DD service measures up to Steam...

There is no real competition between Steam and Impulse. Maybe in the future Impulse will improve but so far they are no real competition for Steam. Steam is also publisher DRM bullshit, Valve publishes it's own games through Steam. Last time I checked, you could buy Valve games on Origin.

I don't see the difference and frankly neither does Gabe Newell. Origin may turn out to be as crappy as Games for Windows Live, that is at the back of my mind.

I'm really longing to the day every publisher has their own game store client, which they sell their titles and DLC, which require a login and password, and then somebody makes a special one-in-all download client that lets you add all the accounts into it, and makes it freeware. All royalties go to the publishers/developers directly, no middlemen involved.

You mean like now when you need to create an account to activate your product key?

 

[thespyisdead]

get a fucking console!!! no DRM or Origin there!

Did you never think that linking software into a specific hardware was just as bad, if not worse?

to sum up what you said: fuck consoles, because you can pirate on PC so much easier

 

[Lukeje]

get a fucking console!!! no DRM or Origin there!

Did you never think that linking software into a specific hardware was just as bad, if not worse?

to sum up what you said: fuck consoles, because you can pirate on PC so much easier

That... wasn't what I said. Where does piracy come into this at all?

 

[thespyisdead]

That... wasn't what I said. Where does piracy come into this at all?

if you talk about DRM being a bad thing, you have to meant that pirating is hard.

remember Starforce? that hated DRM? why was it hated? IT WAS HARD AS HELL TO PIRATE THE GAMES PROTECTED BY IT!!! i think the same is happening with EAs own DRM (though i do agree that putting EAs DRM on steam was excessive)

 

[Lukeje]

That... wasn't what I said. Where does piracy come into this at all?

if you talk about DRM being a bad thing, you have to meant that pirating is hard.

remember Starforce? that hated DRM? why was it hated? IT WAS HARD AS HELL TO PIRATE THE GAMES PROTECTED BY IT!!! i think the same is happening with EAs own DRM (though i do agree that putting EAs DRM on steam was excessive)

You're the one complaining about DRM, not me.

 

[thespyisdead]

That... wasn't what I said. Where does piracy come into this at all?

if you talk about DRM being a bad thing, you have to meant that pirating is hard.

remember Starforce? that hated DRM? why was it hated? IT WAS HARD AS HELL TO PIRATE THE GAMES PROTECTED BY IT!!! i think the same is happening with EAs own DRM (though i do agree that putting EAs DRM on steam was excessive)

You're the one complaining about DRM, not me.

i am not really complaining about DRM... i am actually kinda for it. devs Have to get their money somehow, so that we will get great games in the future

 

[Techno Squidgy]

Trust me, Gabe knows better than to throw his weight around.

And now you've delayed Episode 3 for another month. Well done0.

Considering how many jokes there are... it's not going to be released until Gabe dies. And then the gaming community will be too busy mourning to play Ep3. We live in sad times.