Valve is a bunch of hirers.

[=HCFS=Discoman]

its a win-win when you think about it the game gets released Valve works out the bugs and both get a share of the profit

and what better way to endear a company to the mod crowd?
'oh hey, nice game you guys made. well hire you onto dev staff, paychecks, and fully create that game you had in mind when you started the mod.'
seems a good reason to create good game ideas and show them around-even if it isn't valve, someone will want to make it. valve just seems more willing to bring in the creators of the game/mod than other companies.

 

[benderinTime]

Whats with all the Valve bashing going on today. Seriously they're like one of the best game deelopers out their and actually seem to care about their products before and after release. Oh and who cares if they haven't always developed a game from the ground up, part of all the media industry is recognising a good idea and having the guts to follow it through.

Seriously this thread is like having a go at Peter Jackson for just directing and not writing the Lord of the Rings.

I've noticed this as well. It seems like a group of people have decided to all but spam this forum with Valve hate. I'm not sure what's spurred this assault, but pretty much every thread I've seen in this regard is a blatant attempt at trolling. (and yes, I mean trolling.) They're just threads created to insult Valve and anyone who likes them. None have had any real discussion value at all. Not to mention most of the OPs that start them make personal attacks at anyone who posts a differing view from theirs.

Now while that is true, you can't just suddenly complain about it because the posts are attacking a thing that you like.
Every day this forum is filled with threads such as this one, where they talk about their dislikes for something. A company, a game, whatever, but it always happens, just about different things. It may be trolling, but then this site has had trolls for years, because threads such as these can make up a decent amount of the threads here.
I'm not disagreeing with you on Valve, and I'll hold my opinions about them to myself, but on a general level, you can't just suddenly call out these types of threads when they have been around forever, just on topics that might not always relate to you.
That's just how I see it, anyways.

 

[IamQ]

But you're also missing out on the fact that while TF and CS WERE mods, they WERE mods for a Valve game. So, really, they had every right to buy them off

Correction: Team Fortress was a Quake mod, Valve got them to port it to the GoldSrc engine after buying them out.

That's my bad. Wasn't entirely sure about the history of TF.
In any case, they're mainly helping people who obviously have talent. TF and CS wouldn't have become nearly as popular if Valve hadn't hired them.

]I think the people are fed up with valves bullshit and how they have a worse release calender than blizzard.

Meh. I like Valve (mostly).
And nobody's is as bad as Blizzard. Seriously, how long since Diablo 2? It was released ten and a half years ago....
Nah. Blizzard's is definitely worse.

Well, in Blizzards defense, it took them three different versions of Diablo 3 before they could even officially begin.

 

[Josh123914]

So you're complaining that the company is able to recognize talent when it sees it and is willing to give newcomers a chance?

Those [small]amazing[/small] BASTARDS! How dare they help the world of gaming by funding good ideas!

Someone should punch Gabe Newell in his fat face for encouraging such monsterous behaviour.

thanks Rhombus,thanks to Gabe taking clarvoyancy lessons, he heard that and now you just delayed episode 3 an extra month. there, are you happy?

 

[Lem0nade Inlay]

I think you forget that when they "bought" the TF and CS mods, they also hired all of the mod creators to work on it with them. I'd rather a company spend more time hiring talent and paying attention to it's mods, instead of making a game, moving on, and never looking back at the development or mods made for it.

 

[[.redacted]]

And your point is?

Valve are a good, high quality developer - they deliver good games, regardless of how they do it, they do.

For example, I was really glad they recently announced that they're going to be making DotA 2, because it means it will be balanced, not buggy, and hopefully well polished.

 

[teebeeohh]

so what?
it's better than buying a studio with an almost complete game, make the developers change the primary platform and than milk said franchise for over ten years

 

[Richard Hannay]

so what?
it's better than buying a studio with an almost complete game, make the developers change the primary platform and than milk said franchise for over ten years

You forgot the part where the buying company forced the studio to either release another half-finished game or simply abandon it forever (all for the sake of the game that was almost complete anyway).

 

[Firetaffer]

I don't dislike valve, actually they're one of my favourite companys . I just find it interesting that unlike developing most of their own games from scratch such as Blizzard or Bioware, they only join them partway through development. I created this thread just to point out that I found this rather interesting and so that I can get opinions on it.

snipsnip

Thanks for that well thought out post! It cleared a few stuff up, I don't know everything behind valve's history but what I did know made me start this thread.

 

[Zero_ctrl]

How dare they not release a game when I want it! My self entitled ass needs their games, damnit.

This is full of win.
...
You ninja.

 

[Something Amyss]

It's not lik4e they stole these ideas though, they bought them out. At least that's how I see it. The people on the other end could have said no, but here we are with the mountains of yes. ;P

Yeah, but all things considered, the point seems to be more that for all the claims of their brilliance, the ideas are all borrowed. Not stolen, but still not theirs.

 

[LandoCristo]

Just an FYI for those of you who haven't played TF2 recently: Valve has been taking the community-designed weapons and hats, and putting them in an in-game store, where the creators receive a cut of the profits. Also, you can now buy "Stamps" which gives a stamp from one of the maps, and the creators of that map get a cut, too.

It's not like Valve has any plans to change their "Assimilation" policy.

 

[Gaz6231]

if they are so good other people claim they are, where are the games?

If Orson Welles is as good as people say he is, where's Citizen Kane 2: Kane Harder?

Yet another anti-Valve kid with an entitlement complex. There is no difference between hiring a team who are already working on a game and hiring a team and having them develop a game.

 

[Daedalus1942]

Really I've been thinking about this for the pass few months, the only game series they have really made is the half-life series. Their other games seem to be taken from someone else in one form of the other.

Counter-strike and Team Fortress were both mods that they bought.
Alien swarm was bought partway in development as well.
Portal was aquired from some students.
Left 4 Dead was originally made by Turtle Rock Studios.
Didn't they recently aquire the Dota IP?

Sure you could argue that without their aid the games would not be like they are today, but I would just like to point out they they seem to just buy ideas off of people :O.

Edit: I don't dislike valve, actually they're one of my favourite companys . I just find it interesting that unlike developing most of their own games from scratch such as Blizzard or Bioware, they only join them partway through development. I created this thread just to point out that I found this rather interesting and so that I can get opinions on it.

It just means Gabe newell's a very shrewd businessman.
Why fix something that isn't broke? They're giving up and coming developers (like the narbacular drop guys) a headstart. Good on them, they truly do care about the industry.
Just not Freeman >.<
-Tabs<3-

 

[Gaz6231]

if they are so good other people claim they are, where are the games?

Yet another anti-Valve kid with an entitlement complex.

See I know all those words but non of that makes sense.

Yeah, it took me a few seconds to figure out the message behind the mangled syntax.