VALVE!!!!!......STOP IT!!!!!

[Nehari]

And here I was hoping someone was going to brave the forums and call Valve bad names and say they're really bad at what they do.

they're excelent at what they do

 

[Blind Sight]

Thats still my not my point though. My point is that time spent does not equal quality. I specifically mentioned that other developers seem to be able to release polished games in a much shorter amount of time. Mass Effect 2 came out just over 2 years after Mass Effect, and while plenty of people still prefer ME1 there are few arguments to be made that ME2 was lacking in polish. We're talking a full sequel here, not just an expansion.

Well Mass Effect was meant from square one to be a trilogy, Bioware's been making the games in conjection with each other. I'm not saying that time equals quality either, what I'm saying is that the way Valve studies and analyzes their games before release ensures that they're far more likely to be well done. Every company's got their own style, Valve happens to use heavy playtesting. It takes awhile, sure, but so did the Pyramids, Valve takes their time in order to ensure quality...how is that a bad thing?

and look what issues it causes, in half life 2 you're able to jump on objects you're holding causing you essentailly to be able to fly, also if you time your jumps you're able to gain enough speed to travel faster than any other object. half life 2 had loads of problems and loads of issues no matter how much play testing they did to prevent it.

Hey, I'm not saying Valve's perfect, I'm just saying they have very good quality control. Half-life 2 was also the first time they used the Source engine in a full game, always bound to have a few bugs. Look up a copy of Half-life 2: Raising the Bar and you'll see the ton of ideas they had for the game that they ultimately dropped because they felt it made gameplay or the narrative worse.

 

[Treblaine]

LET THE SNIP FLOOW THROUGH YOU

2) It's Half-Life 2 episode 3, not Half-Life 3. By the time that comes around, there will be 13 games set in the HL universe overall. I don't imagine Valve would milk their games to that extent, they'd be on par with Final Fantasy.

Hmm,

Half Life
Half Life Opposing Force
Half Life Blue Shift
Half Life 2
Half Life 2: Episode One
Half Life 2: Episode Two
Portal
Portal 2
Half Life 2: Episode 3

Err...
Half Life 2: lost Coast? (more a Tech demo, the game is free)
Half Life 2: Deathmatch? (surely you aren't counting that)
Half Life: Decay (hmm)

Best I can count is 9 games. How do you get 13 games in the Half Life universe?

Left 4 Dead doesn't count, no indication it's in the same universe, nor Team Fortress or Counter-strike.

 

[DazZ.]

You seem to be misunderstanding me, I never promote a game company to just force a game out the door. However, there comes a point where you just have to call a game done and move on. Making people wait this long for an adventure that can be completed in a day hardly seems worthwhile.

What's the difference between forcing the game out the door and calling something done when it isn't?

They don't need to give up HL2 to move on anyway, the company is big enough to handle more than one project at a time.

Thinking of it like an engineering concept. When you're building a bridge, do you make it structurally sound so you'll please your investors and the people who will drive on it, or do you try to reinvent the Golden Gate every time? Spending 3+ years with no information on a game that can be completed in a few hours isn't wise resource management, and it stinks of neglect.

Valve makes great games. However, they've released a title every year since the Orange Box came out, and there isn't so much as a whiff of information on episode 3. Either they're overworking on the title, or they've got a skeleton crew working on it.

That's a lovely way of thinking if we were talking about bridges.

No one is going to be forced to play through this game every day, like the people who live near the bridge and don't care what it looks like after the first week. 99% of people are going to play through it once, they aren't going to look at it and go "Hey it works!", they are going to be wanting a reinvention of the Golden Gate.

If I have a bridge I'm paying to go over once, I want it to be the best damn fecking bridge possible. I don't need the bridge, it's not a matter of importance that means I can't get out of my town until it's done, I'm only there sight seeing, so I want it to be good, not boring and mundane like every other bridge I've ever seen.

I really couldn't care less how much information there is on Episode 3, as long as when I get it it's good.

 

[Nehari]

LET THE SNIP FLOOW THROUGH YOU

2) It's Half-Life 2 episode 3, not Half-Life 3. By the time that comes around, there will be 13 games set in the HL universe overall. I don't imagine Valve would milk their games to that extent, they'd be on par with Final Fantasy.

but the two are not comparable, because Final Fantasy was supposed to be the Final game that company ever made becuase they were on the verge of going broke. aswell as the fact that Final Fantasy can stop whenever they please because each of thier games has an end including 10 which had the greatest ending and there is no 10/2, there never was. and if they've spent 3 years developing an EPISODE they're just pathetic. absolutely pathetic.

 

[repeating integers]

LET THE SNIP FLOOW THROUGH YOU

2) It's Half-Life 2 episode 3, not Half-Life 3. By the time that comes around, there will be 13 games set in the HL universe overall. I don't imagine Valve would milk their games to that extent, they'd be on par with Final Fantasy.

Hmm,

Half Life
Half Life Opposing Force
Half Life Blue Shift
Half Life 2
Half Life 2: Episode One
Half Life 2: Episode Two
Portal
Portal 2
Half Life 2: Episode 3

Err...
Half Life 2: lost Coast? (more a Tech demo, the game is free)
Half Life 2: Deathmatch? (surely you aren't counting that)
Half Life: Decay (hmm)

Best I can count is 9 games. How do you get 13 games in the Half Life universe?

Left 4 Dead doesn't count, no indication it's in the same universe, nor Team Fortress or Counter-strike.

OK, at the moment, there are 11 games in the HL universe, according to the mighty wikipedia:

Half-life

Half-Life: Opposing Force

Half-Life: Blue Shift

Half-Life: Decay

Half-Life 2

Half-Life 2: Episode One

Half-Life 2: Episode Two

Codename: Gordon (I'll admit this is a bit of a stretch)

Half-Life 2: Lost Coast

Portal

Portal 2 (Cheating perhaps, but they're in the HL universe)

By the time Half-Life 3 comes out, Valve will presumably have also released Half-Life 2 episode 3. Which will make 13 games in the universe overall.

That count dates back to a flamewar with a Halo hater. Don't ask.

 

[Delusibeta]

Three years? Half Life 2 took twice that. No reason to expect Half Life 3 to be any quicker. In the words of the Heavy, cry some more.

 

[Wolfenbarg]

You seem to be misunderstanding me, I never promote a game company to just force a game out the door. However, there comes a point where you just have to call a game done and move on. Making people wait this long for an adventure that can be completed in a day hardly seems worthwhile.

What's the difference between forcing the game out the door and calling something done when it isn't?

They don't need to give up HL2 to move on anyway, the company is big enough to handle more than one project at a time.

Thinking of it like an engineering concept. When you're building a bridge, do you make it structurally sound so you'll please your investors and the people who will drive on it, or do you try to reinvent the Golden Gate every time? Spending 3+ years with no information on a game that can be completed in a few hours isn't wise resource management, and it stinks of neglect.

Valve makes great games. However, they've released a title every year since the Orange Box came out, and there isn't so much as a whiff of information on episode 3. Either they're overworking on the title, or they've got a skeleton crew working on it.

That's a lovely way of thinking if we were talking about bridges.

No one is going to be forced to play through this game every day, like the people who live near the bridge and don't care what it looks like after the first week. 99% of people are going to play through it once, they aren't going to look at it and go "Hey it works!", they are going to be wanting a reinvention of the Golden Gate.

If I have a bridge I'm paying to go over once, I want it to be the best damn fecking bridge possible. I don't need the bridge, it's not a matter of importance that means I can't get out of my town until it's done, I'm only there sight seeing, so I want it to be good, not boring and mundane like every other bridge I've ever seen.

I really couldn't care less how much information there is on Episode 3, as long as when I get it it's good.

It doesn't matter if it's software engineering or industrial engineering, the principle is the same. Perfect is the enemy of good enough. They're dangerously bordering on Final Fantasy intervals of development. And those are games that people put between 30 and 100 hours into and have a pristine level of polish. That's going into a single episode of Half Life 2 that will completed by most in a single day. I really find it surprising that there are so many people that will wait so long for a pittance of content. Even if it's good, proportionally to other game studios, they would have a ridiculous amount of good and polished content in the same amount of time.

 

[repeating integers]

LET THE SNIP FLOOW THROUGH YOU

2) It's Half-Life 2 episode 3, not Half-Life 3. By the time that comes around, there will be 13 games set in the HL universe overall. I don't imagine Valve would milk their games to that extent, they'd be on par with Final Fantasy.

but the two are not comparable, because Final Fantasy was supposed to be the Final game that company ever made becuase they were on the verge of going broke. aswell as the fact that Final Fantasy can stop whenever they please because each of thier games has an end including 10 which had the greatest ending and there is no 10/2, there never was. and if they've spent 3 years developing an EPISODE they're just pathetic. absolutely pathetic.

OK that was an offhand comment on my part, I was just making a tiny joke about how many games there are in the FF series. Of course the two game series will never be comparable anyway, they're completely different.

Also Valve have a lot more than Half-Life to work on, I wouldn't call them "pathetic". They're just prioritising how the fans don't want them to.

 

[DazZ.]

I really find it surprising that there are so many people that will wait so long for a pittance of content.

We haven't paid for it.
Say they did a Talltale way of paying for the whole season even though you only get episode 1 right away, then that's fair enough, complain about not having the content you've paid for.

But we have no reason to be pissed off about it not being here "right nao!" apart from being immensely spoilt and impatient.

As with the amount of hours I'm going to put into it, I'll say "Quality over quantity".

I'm amazed you still can't grasp why someone would want a game to be the best it possibly can instead of on my doorstep tomorrow.

 

[Wolfenbarg]

I really find it surprising that there are so many people that will wait so long for a pittance of content.

We haven't paid for it.
Say they did a Talltale way of paying for the whole season even though you only get episode 1 right away, then that's fair enough, complain about not having the content you've paid for.

But we have no reason to be pissed off about it not being here "right nao!" apart from being immensely spoilt and impatient.

As with the amount of hours I'm going to put into it, I'll say "Quality over quantity".

I'm amazed you still can't grasp why someone would want a game to be the best it possibly can instead of on my doorstep tomorrow.

Because that's not what I'm saying at all? Games can settle and still be groundbreaking. Mass Effect 2 came out pretty much a year and a half after the first teaser. It wasn't bug free, but it was highly refined and exceptionally well made. Not to mention that it's a game that you can put a lot of hours into.

A lot of people throw out the quality over quantity argument. But you know what? The proportionality of fun to gameplay time speaks a lot about the quality of the game. The fact of the matter is that games need to balance the ratio of quantity and quality if they want to bring the best product possible to the market. Portal was a very short, but fun and well wrapped up game. Half Life 2: Episode 2 was finished and back in the box the same day, leaving me quite unsatisfied all things considered. It had the 'quality' I expect from a game of Valve's caliber, but it lacked the hours to leave me satiated.

Long story short, better games with full contained stories have been made in less time than episode 3 is taking them. Nobody spent hours talking about episode 2 and raving about its quality, they raved about Portal. I'm sure Valve will make it up to their fans with another Orange Box type deal, but it still smacks of shoddy resource management.

 

[DazZ.]

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Sure they can settle and still be good, but it's not the best they can do. I'll happily wait whilst someone who is making something does the best they can do with it if that's what they want to do.

I'm not going to throw a hissy fit and ***** about them taking too long, whatever it is, unless I've paid for them to do something.

Also I prefer short single player games, as they don't hold my attention for long because A.I killing is boring, and wasn't dissatisfied with Episode 2 at all.

 

[Wolfenbarg]

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Sure they can settle and still be good, but it's not the best they can do. I'll happily wait whilst someone who is making something does the best they can do with it if that's what they want to do.

I'm not going to throw a hissy fit and ***** about them taking too long, whatever it is, unless I've paid for them to do something.

Also I prefer short single player games, as they don't hold my attention for long because A.I killing is boring, and wasn't dissatisfied with Episode 2 at all.

Whether the medium is creative or physical, doing the best you can do takes too long and alienates your consumers and investors. Besides, look at the quality of Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2. With the space they created and polished those games in, do you really think it should be taking them so long to make episode 3?

What do you mean you haven't paid them to do something? By paying for an interim title like episode 2, you voted with your money for an episode 3.

More than valid. I enjoy short single-player games as well. They offer a nice contrast to games that run 30+ hours. I just prefer it when they expedite the production of the titles.

 

[DazZ.]

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Sure they can settle and still be good, but it's not the best they can do. I'll happily wait whilst someone who is making something does the best they can do with it if that's what they want to do.

I'm not going to throw a hissy fit and ***** about them taking too long, whatever it is, unless I've paid for them to do something.

Also I prefer short single player games, as they don't hold my attention for long because A.I killing is boring, and wasn't dissatisfied with Episode 2 at all.

Whether the medium is creative or physical, doing the best you can do takes too long and alienates your consumers and investors. Besides, look at the quality of Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2. With the space they created and polished those games in, do you really think it should be taking them so long to make episode 3?

What do you mean you haven't paid them to do something? By paying for an interim title like episode 2, you voted with your money for an episode 3.

More than valid. I enjoy short single-player games as well. They offer a nice contrast to games that run 30+ hours. I just prefer it when they expedite the production of the titles.

When I paid for Episode 2, I didn't feel as though they owed me any more than what I paid for. I don't feel as though they now owe me Episode 3 as well, because when Ep 3 is here I'll pay for that as well. I didn't "vote for an episode 3" at all.

Also 3 years is hardly alienating people, I much prefer it to people making sequels every year.

You can feel as though they owe you Episode 3 because you paid for 2, I don't and I'm happy to wait. I'm not alienated or feel as though they're taking too long and I don't want them rushing something just because the game isn't going to be of epic proportions.

 

[Wolfenbarg]

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When I paid for Episode 2, I didn't feel as though they owed me any more than what I paid for. I don't feel as though they now owe me Episode 3 as well, because when Ep 3 is here I'll pay for that as well. I didn't "vote for an episode 3" at all.

Also 3 years is hardly alienating people, I much prefer it to people making sequels every year.

You can feel as though they owe you Episode 3 because you paid for 2, I don't and I'm happy to wait. I'm not alienated or feel as though they're taking too long and I don't want them rushing something just because the game isn't going to be of epic proportions.

Oh come on. By that logic, you're saying that they don't owe you episode 3? So if they decided tomorrow that they're going to scrap the project and work on new IPs like they have been with Portal and Left 4 Dead exclusively, you wouldn't feel at all jipped? Because I seriously doubt that. You just seem like a more patient and reasonable gamer rather than one who feels zero entitlement.

How is 3 years not alienating? Four years of development alienated people who waited for Final Fantasy XII despite that having a bigger hype machine than XIII near its release. Not to mention the fact that people aren't really talking about Half Life these days unless they're quoting our respective opinions on the issue of episode 3 still not being out. You don't think that's an alienated fanbase? Remember that 3 years is the average development time for a full game. Heck, Blizzard put together Starcraft 2 (which is a full, stand-alone game) in four, and that's a company that also prides itself in taking an incredible amount of time in polish and balancing. Valve is nearing that for just an episode of content... not a full campaign.

 

[Treblaine]

LET THE SNIP FLOOW THROUGH YOU

2) It's Half-Life 2 episode 3, not Half-Life 3. By the time that comes around, there will be 13 games set in the HL universe overall. I don't imagine Valve would milk their games to that extent, they'd be on par with Final Fantasy.

Hmm,

Half Life
Half Life Opposing Force
Half Life Blue Shift
Half Life 2
Half Life 2: Episode One
Half Life 2: Episode Two
Portal
Portal 2
Half Life 2: Episode 3

Err...
Half Life 2: lost Coast? (more a Tech demo, the game is free)
Half Life 2: Deathmatch? (surely you aren't counting that)
Half Life: Decay (hmm)

Best I can count is 9 games. How do you get 13 games in the Half Life universe?

Left 4 Dead doesn't count, no indication it's in the same universe, nor Team Fortress or Counter-strike.

OK, at the moment, there are 11 games in the HL universe, according to the mighty wikipedia:

Half-life

Half-Life: Opposing Force

Half-Life: Blue Shift

Half-Life: Decay

Half-Life 2

Half-Life 2: Episode One

Half-Life 2: Episode Two

Codename: Gordon (I'll admit this is a bit of a stretch)

Half-Life 2: Lost Coast

Portal

Portal 2 (Cheating perhaps, but they're in the HL universe)

By the time Half-Life 3 comes out, Valve will presumably have also released Half-Life 2 episode 3. Which will make 13 games in the universe overall.

That count dates back to a flamewar with a Halo hater. Don't ask.

Decay was annoying (and I am not sure if it is even canon). Only on PS2, only playable with split screen co-op. No one wants to play an entire split-screen campaign with an obscure Half Life spin-off on PS2. I tried playing it by myself swapping from one controller to another... of fuck.

Lost Coast should not count. It's not canon. Not sold. It is officially just a tech demo.

Codename Gordon, also is not canon. Not ever on sale. Same universe, but just a third party promotional title.

Didn't follow your Episode 3/ HL3 distinction. Well I think the next time we will play Gordon Freeman is going to be Half Life 3, Ep 2 wrapped up so much and Borealis starts so much new stuff, a final episode can't do much. Valve are not bound by law or contract, they just suggested their intent was 3 episodes. It's not like everyone paid pre-order copies for 3 episode expansions of Half Life 2.


Interestingly that leaves Halo and Half Life level pegging (3 main trilogy + ODST + Wars + Reach) for number of releases if you exclude Portal which is only incidentally related to the Half Life universe by a few side references to organisations of the same name and of course not including titles that haven't even been released let alone announced (HL2 Ep 3 or HL3).

But somehow I feel we've seen so little of the Half Life universe.

Maybe because the HL expansions were just third party add-ons retreading a lot of ground, and HL2 reached so wide it raised far more questions than it ever came close to answering, even with two additional episodes.

Halo... where else is there to go? And it seems to keep going back to the same things, sure exploring them from a different angle, but I think Reach really was THE LAST you could possible do with the universe. OK, they could adapt Halo: First Strike (especially now Halo Reach ret-conned so many parts of the Novel) to a game, but really I think 343 industries will struggle to find new and relevant game narratives.

Probably best for 343 to adapt the books. Well, can you think of another New York Times Best-Seller that would be more suited to game adaptation?

 

[Treblaine]

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When I paid for Episode 2, I didn't feel as though they owed me any more than what I paid for. I don't feel as though they now owe me Episode 3 as well, because when Ep 3 is here I'll pay for that as well. I didn't "vote for an episode 3" at all.

Also 3 years is hardly alienating people, I much prefer it to people making sequels every year.

You can feel as though they owe you Episode 3 because you paid for 2, I don't and I'm happy to wait. I'm not alienated or feel as though they're taking too long and I don't want them rushing something just because the game isn't going to be of epic proportions.

Oh come on. By that logic, you're saying that they don't owe you episode 3? So if they decided tomorrow that they're going to scrap the project and work on new IPs like they have been with Portal and Left 4 Dead exclusively, you wouldn't feel at all jipped? Because I seriously doubt that. You just seem like a more patient and reasonable gamer rather than one who feels zero entitlement.

How is 3 years not alienating? Four years of development alienated people who waited for Final Fantasy XII despite that having a bigger hype machine than XIII near its release. Not to mention the fact that people aren't really talking about Half Life these days unless they're quoting our respective opinions on the issue of episode 3 still not being out. You don't think that's an alienated fanbase? Remember that 3 years is the average development time for a full game. Heck, Blizzard put together Starcraft 2 (which is a full, stand-alone game) in four, and that's a company that also prides itself in taking an incredible amount of time in polish and balancing. Valve is nearing that for just an episode of content... not a full campaign.

Maybe you can send them a letter and demand they return the ZERO DOLLARS you paid for Episode 3!(sarc)

"You just seem like a more patient and reasonable gamer rather than one who feels zero entitlement."

Oh please, you make this too easy. Are you saying we should all be:
-Impatient
-Unreasonable
-and have a (false) Sense of Entitlement

Those are pretty negative attributes right there.

"Remember that 3 years is the average development time for a full game... Valve is nearing that for just an episode of content... not a full campaign."

Says who? They're a pretty secretive company (especially after Half Life 2 leaked early and almost bankrupted them) and have a habit of not formally announcing games till only months before intended release. It's clear from their development habits they are dynamic in their aims and will shift intentions and plans to whatever is best.

Episode 3 is not dogma. They could mix it up.

They could be working on Half Life 3 and a brand new engine for it. Or they could be trying to get the very very best performance out of the source engine for Episode 3 which could be a Prologue to Half Life 3 to be released within a year with a brand new engine. Who knows, anything is possible. Try to think beyond merely what happened last time, move out of your comfort zone of familiarity.

Rememebr, Valve have officially announced they will have THREE new games in 2011. Portal 2 is one, DOTA 2 is the 2nd... what is the third? Counterstrike 2? Left 4 Dead 3? Episode 3?

Who knows? They could announce nothing, they could annouce another 2. It's up to them.

 

[Treblaine]

Listen guys enough is enough, and I'm getting pretty damn sick of your dancing around. let me give this a context for a moment. The videogame company Valve is the company that developed and created the videogame Half Life and all it's associated titles such as half life blue shift, half life opposing forces, half life 2, and episodes one and two, in that order if I'm correct (don't correct me if I'm not, it's irrelevant) half life was a spectacular game, and was brilliantly fun and challenging and is the kind of title everyone should aspire to become one day. it's almost a legend at this point just because of how spectacularly amazing it and all of it's sequals were, (even though blue shift and opposing forces werent really sequals) but here inlies the issue. It's not over. >>>SPOILER<<< the rocket launched perfectly destroyed the portal, we were ready to board a helicopter to go and find the mysterious ship called the borealis which a big teaser of which was that it was owned by aperture science labratories which is the company in the other valve title Portal. but that's it. We're just left off lying on a concrete floor listening to alyx cry. which is fine because we all know that valve is not quite finished with the half life title. this however brings me to what is making me extremely angry. valve came out with the title Left4Dead probably because they liked the zombie prospect of half life so much that they wanted to play with that a little more. THEN they came out with left4dead 2 because I guess they wanted to expand that zombie playing aspect because they must've felt like they were missing pieces. NOW they're comming out with Portal 2 which is supposed to be an escape of the aperture science labratories. and NOW I find out that the've come out with a game called Vindictus which is an MMO, STOP MAKING OTHER GAMES!!!!!! HALF LIFE 3!!!! MAKE HALF LIFE 3!!!

There was a SIX YEAR gap between the conclusion of Half Life 1 (which ended on a cliffhanger of Freeman going into service for G-Man) and Half Life 2 continuing the story.

It has only JUST turned 3 years, stop being so damn impatient.

All the main story arcs of Half Life 2 have been wrapped up (mainly revolving around the Citadel, City 17 and the fallout from its destruction), the Borealis is just a teaser and sorry my impatient friend but I wouldn't be expecting a sequel till at least 2011.

Half Life 3 likely means a brand new engine, and that is likely to take a long time, probably not till Valve at least have gotten a sniff of the next gen of console hardware so they don't end up unable to perform on the new tech.

they release PC titles

True, but they are clearly also interested in console releases.

It's been years since they made a game that hasn't seen some sort of console release, and Portal 2 Gabe is pushing big time on PS3... with steamworks.

They can't ignore consoles.

 

[Wolfenbarg]

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Maybe you can send them a letter and demand they return the ZERO DOLLARS you paid for Episode 3!(sarc)

"You just seem like a more patient and reasonable gamer rather than one who feels zero entitlement."

Oh please, you make this too easy. Are you saying we should all be:
-Impatient
-Unreasonable
-and have a (false) Sense of Entitlement

Those are pretty negative attributes right there.

"Remember that 3 years is the average development time for a full game... Valve is nearing that for just an episode of content... not a full campaign."

Says who? They're a pretty secretive company (especially after Half Life 2 leaked early and almost bankrupted them) and have a habit of not formally announcing games till only months before intended release. It's clear from their development habits they are dynamic in their aims and will shift intentions and plans to whatever is best.

Episode 3 is not dogma. They could mix it up.

They could be working on Half Life 3 and a brand new engine for it. Or they could be trying to get the very very best performance out of the source engine for Episode 3 which could be a Prologue to Half Life 3 to be released within a year with a brand new engine. Who knows, anything is possible. Try to think beyond merely what happened last time, move out of your comfort zone of familiarity.

Rememebr, Valve have officially announced they will have THREE new games in 2011. Portal 2 is one, DOTA 2 is the 2nd... what is the third? Counterstrike 2? Left 4 Dead 3? Episode 3?

Who knows? They could announce nothing, they could annouce another 2. It's up to them.

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that we're in the world where we don't expect sequels. I'll remember to keep funding interim titles when there won't be any payoff.

Uh, no? I was trying to be civilized and throw in some slight compliments so he didn't get the impression that I was being an insincere little brat about the whole thing. We were having an argument, but I didn't want throw around bits that made me seem unreasonable and uncompromising, just slightly bitter. Those aren't qualities gamers should have, I was just noting that he's a lot more patient than I am.

Yeah, they could roll out an amazing lineup. However, it still doesn't change the fact that their model for episodic content is completely broken and misses the point. They might as well just release full games and leave the other IPs as the interim titles if an appetizer of content is all the payoff fans get for 3+ years of waiting.