Vampires, how should they be?

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Avida

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Sparkling is a must.

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Got your attention didnt i? :p

I personally vouch for the semi-immortal, superhuman, burned-by-daylight onces which many others in this thread have posted a better description for. The traditional onces, minus turning into a bat and sleeping in coffins. I think blood should be essential to them but not their only source of sustinance - they should need to drain a dude from time to time but between those fairly normal meals are ok but they'll get weaker.

That said, Hellsing vampires kick ass.
 

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I really think if vampires were conventally in the real world they would be ALOT like 30 days of Night vampires, meaning Crosses, holy water..ppft!
Day, decapitation/head blow'n off, or just destroy his body would be the only way to kill them.

They can stand a few months without blood however they go on frenzies afterwards and must drink 2-3 people worth of blood to not going without blood for 2-3 months, a person a month.

They can be nice or evil, but the usual vampire just sees humans as food.

Things vampires should not do: Fall in love with humans,(Edward was drawing Bella away from her family, so he could taste the blood of virgins again, and not draw any suspicion from him when they found a dead body out in the wilderness).

I like the lost boys perspective of Vampires, invite them in, garlic and holy water won't work, but no invite, they are hella vunerable in your house.
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
SomeBritishDude said:
Vampires can be whatever they want, as long as its intresting. Appart from one thing. They must be killed by day light. This is what makes vampires vampires. End of.
You know that in Bram Stoker's novel, Dracula strolls around in daylight no bother, right?
I remember that- although, he did have fewer powers during the day, right?

....I can't quite remember what the book said on that part......
 

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First of all, the accent is Romanian, not German :p

Here's my list of vampire traits, in descending order of importance:
- They suck blood. They can turn you into a vampire in this way, leaving you under their control. Slaying the master vampire will kill, free or de-vampirise his underlings.
- They are evil.
- They're incredibly charming and/or able to hypnotise.
- Very strong.
- They flinch at or are repelled by garlic or holy symbols (not just crosses, a star of David would suffice)
- They can fly, turn into mist, turn into a bat or many bats, or any combination of the above.
- They have no reflections.
- They cannot cross running water.
- They cannot enter a building unless invited.

Here are ways to kill a vampire:
- Drive a wooden stake through its heart. As long as the stake remains, the vampire remains dead. To finish the job you need to chop its head off and stuff holy wafers in its mouth.
- Exposure to sunlight will kill a vampire. It will not, under any circumstances sparkle.
- Submerging a vampire in running water can kill it.
- Holy water will hurt a vampire, sufficient quantities may kill it.

While not all of these are necessary for your vampire, vampires are more than just people who live on blood. They are monsters, plain and simple. You can take creative license with your vampires, (Terry Pratchett's vampires, for example), but you have to at least do your fucking homework.
This!

But really, im not that fussed if someone using a vampire doesnt include the cross running water or cant enter a house thing. As long as they dont fucking sparkle!!
 

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Joss Whedon pretty much nailed it. evil, powerful, vulnerable to sunlight, stakes, crosses and holy water. It really pisses me off when people take a known archetype and warp it to fit their own means. If you wanna write a story about highschool romance and teen angst, dont use hundred year old monsters to do it. Bram Stroker would be appalled by twilight.
 

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While I understand a stake through the heart killing, I just don't think "holy" water would work. Holy water has no inherent value that makes it powerful. I'd rather say vulnerable to sunlight, stakes through the heart, beheading, and faith.
 

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Drake the Dragonheart said:
I too like the white wolf concept of a vampire. Stronger, and more agile than the average human. Sunlight if it doesn't kill them outright within the first couple of seconds severely damages them, they can heal and channel powers called disciplines through their stolen blood. Holy water and garlic don't do squat, although religious symbols brandished by one of exceptional faith can affect them. Can be killed with conventional means, but bullets only do bashing unless they target the head, then they do full lethal. Oh, and werewolves are sworn enemies of them so they avoid the wolves forests like the plague.
Are you referring to nWoD?
If so then they've butchered a lot since oWoD.
Thin bloods could walk in the sun.
Holy water and garlic affect some vamps.
Bullets did lethal no matter what unless you had fortitude.
And the wolves weren't the sworn enemies of vamps.

That and I sort of like the True Blood vampires.
 

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Vampires shouldn't be "Oh look he glows and sparkles ooh let's have sex" they should be "Holy shit that vampire just turned into a bat and flew into my closet, then turned into a vampire and kicked the door down, fuck now I need a new door. Also, he's eating me."
I've always been scared of the idea of a vampire, the batform (batmobile?) thing would let them fly into windows, the they'd bite me and I'd become one of them, just a mindless shell looking to satisfy a craving of blood, every night of my (eternal? not sure how it works with vampires) life.
In short: Fear, not lust, please.
 

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Here is perhaps the least accepted theory of vampires ever set forth in a a boring day's pondering that is agreeable.
All vampires dont simply burst into flames and disintegrate when exposed to the sun they simply expiereance something akin to radiation poisoning. So as long as they didn't lurk in the sun for to long it was not immediately fatal but, its a vampires natural instinct to enter a death-like sleep during the day.
Holy Objects do not repel them and they can enter holy ground but, a few of them possess an irrational fear of holy objects and places that have to do with their faith in life.
Stakes are not fatal but they can not be regenerated from because they keep the wound from closing as long as their impaling.
Garlic is a myth
Moving water is mostly a myth but as with holy objects some possess irrational fears of it.
They do not need to feed on blood but like drugs or alchohol it is simply addictive to them.
The powers they are thought to possess are both fictional and true. Because while some are super strong others may be able to transform and still others may be able to possess humans by making eye contact.
The families or better said lineages are each named after one of the deadly sins and each with their own strengths,weaknesses,methods of creating new vampires,and blasphamies or otherwise known as powers that can be learned as opposed to those that are known by instinct.
Vampires are a very rare race as so many groups are obsessed with their destruction.
Perhaps they are also capable of creating lesser servitors by botching the ritual to make a new vampire and these would be called revenants. While having a great blood thirst they also thirst most for vampire blood and so can be controlled.
Well there you go.
 

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I've read a lot of vampire books and I am quite flexible about my vampire mythology however their are key points needed to even be a vampire:

Drink blood, they need to drink blood to live, they try to stop drinking blood they ether go crazy or fall into a coma or something similar

Weak to sunlight, it doesn't matter if the die burn or just become pitifully weak sunlight is bad and needs to be avoided

A stake through the heart kills, Some may be picky and can only be killed with a stake from a certain tree carved by some holy monks or others can only die form a stake while being exposed to sunlight (usually the ones that become weak and don't die) but somehow they can die from it

Weak to religion, crosses can repel them or it can be the belief in the cross and not the actual cross itself but religion weakens them, however they can usually regain their energy by draining someones blood so a vampire entering a church could just become thirsty

Of course their are way more like how humans become vampires but those main 4 make a vampire unless its a human with the vampirism disease (googled the actual name and came up Porphyria)
 

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jhonka said:
My thoughts of a vampire
1) NOT SPARKLING!!!!!

They are like psychopaths with tendency to the dark arts and cannibalism.

Add no. 1 and take away the rest and you got a motherfucking emo rocker who likes raw meat.

Bram Stoker got it right and since he made the original creature, i think it should be honored at least to an extend!

They do not age, but they do learn from experience thus they are cunning and wise. Since they learn they probably do not go to school and why the fuck would they?? It's not like they actually need to have a job or something. They have pointy teeth so that they can drink blood FROM HUMANS!!!

The original vampire was not burnt by the sun, but it did take away his inhuman strengths and abilities. Vampires are part necromancers and as such do possess the ability to control lesser undead and nocturnal creatures. Dracula could not enter a home unless invited and he did manage to control Mina after making her drink some of his blood. Dracula also could transform into a nocturnal beast and make himself invisible.

Vampires are soulless and lack all the emotions of a human, thus making them act more primal and vicious. Psychopaths do not care for others as rest of people do so they do not form communities since it serves no purpose. This also would most likely make baseball unappealing to them.
Nice, way to destroy your own arguments. Dracula was a feeble, old man when Jonathan Harker first went to Transylvania. He later regained his youth after feeding on a ship's entire crew.

Secondly, as the have different innate traits that regular humans, they become a different species and feeding on humans would then no longer make them cannibals.

Thirdly, am I a psychopath for eating pig? No. Thus vampires are not all psychopaths and can form a separate society, like many modern lore places them in.

Edit: Forgot this one tidbit of information, Bram Stoker did not create the vampire myth; he simply exploited it. The myth can be traced back to the middle ages.
 

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Vampires should be menacing, cold-blooded, malevolent blood suckers who live in dark, unlit hideaways (i.e. castles, caves, etc.) and who live to terrify their victims. After all, vampires are a horror in Western fiction and should be treated as such. They should be wicked and lustful creatures who prey on human blood for nurishment yet handsome and eloquent enough to seduce them into a comatose state. They should be vulnerable to holy water and crosses, both engineered with special, hard-to-find ingredients and imbued by the light and holyness of Christ. They should not be mune to silly material world crafts like stakes, garlic, or even blades and bullets crafted from silver or any other precious material.

The way I see it, vampires are designed to be satanic, malicious creatures who were somehow forsaken by Hades and banished to the human world where the sunlight is their natural enemy. However, they have survived for thousands of years and have evolved enough to understand their limitations. So they hide from the sunlight, waiting until the moon rises up in the sky to sneak into villages, kidnap your daughters in their sleep, and feast on their blood for nutrition. Of course, they don't exclusively target females. They'll accept males as a suitable alternative but they prefer women - young women over old - because their blood is fresher.

Coming from a world not our own, they should have several abilities that differ distinctly from humans. They can transform into bats, read minds, and blend into perfectly with any shade of darkness though there must be a limit to its index. They must also carry some sort of blade with them in case of an emergency; daggers, claymores, knives, as long as it's sharp and pierce flesh, it works. To me, vampires are supposed to be one of the many agents of darkness in folk and Christian lore. Coming from a Christian background, it makes sense to me regardless of what some people might think.
 

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Personally I found the onion, holy water and even the cross concept somewhat pointless. The Buffy series had a decent unique flair to their vampires however the alteration of your facial appearance was off putting along with having to be invited into someone's home. I favor the vampires depicted in Interview with the Vampire (the film) myself.

Do not even allow me to begin on the absolute idiocy of Twilight. That has to be most horrendous varitation of vampires I have ever had the misfortune to know exist. Worst yet that god awful film was a fantastic success and with a planned sequel. And they say guys only watched Underworld because Kate Beckinsale was in leather... speaking of which, another good vampire movie.
 

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SomeBritishDude said:
Auron555 said:
I have to wonder... sunlight kills vampires, right? So doesn't that make moonlight deadly as well?
Yep, thats why vampires don't actually excist. They became exstinct a long time ago.
are you serious? Vampires have actually never existed >_>
the myth of "the vampire" came to Europe from some european scientist going south, who discovered the Vampire Bats. People misunderstood at first and thought the blood-sucking bats could do more than suck blood: turn into human form, live forever, etc. Back then people were very superstituous.
 

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I randomly clicked on this thread, and now this is my first post =)

Anyway, I can't say I'm a vampire expert but twilight version of vampires is a vomit inducing romanticized fantasy. For a bunch of immortal vampires who have lived for centuries, they act like kids from the OC or Dawson's creek. In fact it is very possible to reproduce the entire setting within a high school playground, with vampires being the cool kids, the werewolves being the other cool kids of a different ethnicity. Perhaps I'm being too simplistic, I haven't even really read it. But I at least can say with Anne Rice's version of vampires, albeit a bit depressive at times, at the very least they acted their own age. Immortality was a curse for them, and the reader could feel it. I most likely feel negatively towards Twilight, because it wasn't really well written at least in comparison to what I normally read.
 
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Well, for God's sake they don't fucking sparkle. They are genetically addicted to humaglobin (hope I spelled that right) and don't ingest it, rather tranferring it to a totally separate organ because they can't produce enough of it themselves. They have their teeth, generally pale skin due to the various deficiencies that come from not eating regular food. Their cells reproduce at the same rate that their metabolism allows, but genetic differences make their bodies superior to humans in the sense that they are stronger and typically have a much faster nervous response system. They heal rapidly due to the efficiency of their metabolism, and they rely on their feral senses heavily. They don't like garlic because it screws with their sense of smell. They have an advanced endocrine system that pumps them full of chemicals when they get hurt, so they are harder to take down than a linebacker on PCP.

They are anthing but romantic, but can secrete a pheromone that can either mesmerize or completely paralyze their victims. They feed on humans only, because other animals don't produce a genetically similar form of humaglobin.

Best I could come up with.
 

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Pretty much Dracula. He's more clever and less badass instead of the other way around which is a portrayal that is really bugging me. I mean spiritual energy like in DBZ or Yu-Yu-Hakusho I can get but seriously can we have a vampire that isn't all flashy and slick and one that gets his way through trickery?
 

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Vmpires have to drink blood, be super stong, super fast, combust in sunlight/turn to stone, a wooden stake though the heart kills them and so does beheading.

But basicly being a total badass
 

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Vampires have to be like the ones in Vampire - The Masquerade: Bloodlines
Basically they should have a lot of factions.
It doesn't make that humans, Some are white, Some are black some are Chinese and some are Jewish.
Vampires should be represented as such, only with their super-natural abilities.
Some should be able to fly, Some should be able to climb walls, Some should be able to do magic, etc
They all should suck blood, That's the main thing we've learned about vampires.
Vampires should evolve like we do, And like everything does, Evolution shouldn't skip vampires just because their dead.
We see it pretty good in Legacy of Kain, Where vampires actually evolve.
Some should be hideous and some should be gorgeous just like humans.
And they should all be stronger than the average human, but the strength they have between them should vary.
Same goes for speed and other traits.

That's my 2 cents, Thanks.
 

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Vampires can be traced all the way back to Ancient Greece, if by "Vampire" you mean "Formerly human creature that feeds on human blood or life force to survive".

The way I see it, there are a few major forms of Vampire:

The Gaki is the Asian Vampire, and comes in a relatively wide variety. While many feed directly on blood, others have more esoteric means of feeding. One specific type (actual legend) feeds on the color in a person and all they are wearing, drawing out their imagination, creativity, and life force. This does not occur in a single feeding, but over a period of time where the victim wastes away. When he dies, he eventually becomes a Gaki. Others feed on intelligence, or any other form of quantifiable attribute (prior to RPG's).

Ephemeral vampires such as the Lhiannon Sidhe straddle the line between spirits and corporeal vampires. A Lhiannon Sidhe will seduce a bard or musician, and slowly drain their life away, while simultaneously driving them to new heights of skill and artistry. Others simply slowly drain the life force of their victims, almost never seen until their victim is near death - at which point they, themselves, become visible and corporeal, and possible to kill. Almost all forms of Ephemerals can be affected by holy symbols or water if wielded by a man of faith, as it is an ability of faith and not a vulnerability of the creature. The type of faith doesn't matter - a pious priest has the same chances as a good Buddhist monk, or a noble Rabbi, as long as the strength of their faith is the same.

Pacific Islander vampires, such as the Pennangalan, are among the stranger of corporeal vampires. Often looking and behaving as a normal human during the day, at night their head or upper torso detatches from the rest of their body, and they attack the same type of person they were in life - a former pregnant woman attacks pregnant women, and so on. According to the tales, they are NOT undead - the condition of being a Pennangalan can actually be cured in the myths. Thus many of the 'typical' methods of control do not work, but they can also be killed by sufficient physical trauma.

Vampyr, as I call them, are the Classic Vampires, with the full gamut of weaknesses and powers (NOT SPARKLING!). They burn in the sunlight and at the touch of holy symbols or water, cannot stand the smell of garlic, cannot cross running water, must sleep in the soil of their homeland, cannot enter a home uninvited, and can be killed by beheading or a stake through the heart. If their coffin is nailed shut with silver nails and turned upside down, they cannot escape, and eventually devour themselves. However, they have unnatural strength and speed, a hypnotic gaze, the ability to shapeshift into a wolf or a bat, control lesser creatures such as rats and others that disturb the average human, turn into mist or assume a spiritual or ectoplasmic form, and can turn a victim or not at their pleasure. Older Vampyrs can begin to resist the sunlight, though in sunlight they have no special abilities and are as vulnerable as normal men. A perfect example of a Vampyr is Bram Stoker's Dracula.

Voordalak (a Rumanian word for Vampire) are the monstrous vampires - savage and bloodthirsty, as well as hideously fast and strong. They tend not to have the full gamut of powers as a Vampyr, but also do not have the host of weaknesses (save sunlight, beheading, and a stake - those are always present). Some turn every victim they fully kill, others require special rituals to turn. A good example would be the vampires from Thirty Days of Night.

Nosferatu are demonic vampires a la Buffy - not truly undead, but rather a demon inhabiting a corpse, with access to the host's memories and a facsimile of the original personality. As with Voordalak, some turn every victim they fully kill, others require special rituals to turn. Their powers and abilities can vary, much like the Voordalak, but they show a MUCH stronger vulnerability to faith-based objects, to the point of destruction if the faith is sufficient or the object is inescapable (such as a fire hose pouring out holy water, or being impaled by a sliver of the One True Cross - even if only in the pinky toe).

Nosferatu, Voordalak, and Vampyrs all MUST feed on blood to survive, the amount and frequency carying by the specific sub-type. For example, one Vampyr of the lineage of Vlad Dracul may only require one victim per week, which they slowly drain little by little every night until they fade away, whereas another of the lineage of Varney might kill a single victim every night. Some may be able to get away with animal blood, though at greater quantities, while others must ONLY feed on humans (especially the demonic types).


Now, here's the big deal:

Twilight doesn't have vampires. It has unseelie fae folk. That's right, the frickin' sparkly "vampire" is really a faerie. After all, the Red Caps were unseelie, and they murdered people to drink their blood, and dye their caps red in it. So yeah. Take from that what you will.