Vegan Superiority complex

[dvd_72]

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so, I'm not saying you are less of a person than me, perhaps less ethical, or perhaps just less willing to sacrifice for such a cause, but that doesn't make you a bad person, you just have another opinion than me, and people aren't bad or evil for their opinions, just stay a little more well informed about your choosen subject and arguments

Maybe I'm being nit picky, but I think its that kind of word choice that's bugging the OP.

Unless ofc, you don't mean it that way. There is no real "right" and "wrong" ethics. no "better" or "worse". just different. You can try to change peoples ethical views through discussion and debate, but that doesn't make one right and the other wrong.

 

[adamtm]

Way to twist words there buttercup.

An argument against eating meat twisted into an illegal act of forced sex, yep I see a similarity ..... oh wait...

Now does your comment make my argument look weak or does it make you look like a sick jackass for thinking it up.

Swings and roundabouts my friend.

See I aimed my post to be a bit light hearted and you twist it in your little perverse mind. Seek help, seek it soon.

Are the two comparable? No, not really, rape is far worse than killing animals. Was my example applying the exact same logic as yours to a different topic? Absolutely. The point of my post was that the argument you were using simply didn't work, and since you've not managed to come up with any rebuttal other than ad hominem I'll assume that you agree.

By the way, I mentioned rape because it's one of the few things that very nearly nobody supports and even fewer people will admit to supporting - I considered murder instead, but decided against it on a whim.

I.E. you made a strawman that you can easily beat up.

Your argument is -the- definition of a strawman argument.

 

[Zyntoxic]

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so, I'm not saying you are less of a person than me, perhaps less ethical, or perhaps just less willing to sacrifice for such a cause, but that doesn't make you a bad person, you just have another opinion than me, and people aren't bad or evil for their opinions, just stay a little more well informed about your choosen subject and arguments

Maybe I'm being nit picky, but I think its that kind of word choice that's bugging the OP.

Unless ofc, you don't mean it that way. There is no real "right" and "wrong" ethics. no "better" or "worse". just different. You can try to change peoples ethical views through discussion and debate, but that doesn't make one right and the other wrong.

exactly, that is what I've meant, I don't say choosing to eat meat is wrong, it is another choice, I point towards an interest for the ethics in question not whether they are right or wrong, but the choice of eating meat is rarely based in an ethical consideration of choice.

btw, for comical relief, have any one thought about the fact that you can't spell meat without eat? =P

 

[Neverhoodian]

No i'm better then you because I choose not to kill animals. Deal with it.

Incidentally, you can get more then enough protein from a vegetarian diet, about half of the martial artist I train with are vegetarians and all of them are far stronger then most other fighters, never mind your average person.

*Gnaws on chicken leg*

Yeah, I think I can "deal with it."

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

 

[fenrizz]

If you need vitamin supplements to your diet, you're doing it wrong.

Anybody else notice that 98% of all vegans live in a city?
Go figure.

 

[renegade7]

It's because Vegans have psychic powers. Scientifically speaking, they ARE superior people

No really, it's just because when some people have an opinion, they think theirs is better (same with religion, fanboy-ism, politics, etc.) especially when it's a lifestyle choice.

Whether killing the rabbits was necessary is another story entirely. Why not try repellent next time? You can also go to any hardware/home improvement store and by a 6-8 inch fence sort of thing you can put around your garden that works surprisingly well at keeping rabbits out. They both have the added benefit of not requiring you to go out and bury a corpse, and you won't have to worry about evangelist vegetarians thinking you're a trigger happy gun nut who likes to shoot little animals.

 

[Ampersand]

No i'm better then you because I choose not to kill animals. Deal with it.

Incidentally, you can get more then enough protein from a vegetarian diet, about half of the martial artist I train with are vegetarians and all of them are far stronger then most other fighters, never mind your average person.

*Gnaws on chicken leg*

Yeah, I think I can "deal with it."

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

 

[renegade7]

No i'm better then you because I choose not to kill animals. Deal with it.

Incidentally, you can get more then enough protein from a vegetarian diet, about half of the martial artist I train with are vegetarians and all of them are far stronger then most other fighters, never mind your average person.

How exactly does that make you a better person? Sounds to me like you're being a bigot about it. And also, don't you need to take supplements for iron? It's necessary to build muscle and carry oxygen to the brain. You only get significant amounts of it from red meat (because that itself is muscle tissue) Now, I know it's against your beliefs, but personally I'd rather eat a burger or something than choke down a nutrient drink or a pill. Both of those are a LOT more expensive than meat too.

 

[Weslebear]

I don't care about Vegans or Vegetarians as long as they don't try to force their thinking onto me and my life. I could not care less what people do or don't put in their bodies but be damned I shall enjoy my life anyhow I choose thank you, and a lack of meat and dairy would certainly make my life just a little bit more bland.

I don't care about any virtues of anyway of life, if I don't enjoy it then I don't care. My golden rule is I would rather shave off 5 years of my life but enjoy it than extend a dull existence. Live your life how you want and don't you dare try to force people into the same lifestyle, show them the pros and cons and let people make their own mind up.

I shall end with this, whatever you do in your life is what defines you, it does not make you superior or inferior. And it never will.

 

[jobu59749]

The best part of this whole thread, nobody will ever win the debate. This keeps coming back to vegan/veggie eater(i'm lazy and don't want to keep spelling it) vs. meat eaters in periodic replies. Ultimately, you reacted to extremists in the mostly herbavore community. Who cares, I didn't read your original article, don't care about your original article. If it is what people are saying, then you did kill needlessly. It's called traps, simply put.

Ultimately, some of the people in the world eat meat, some prefer not to. Nobody is wrong or right, in reallity....we should just not talk about that choice as nobody will ever win the day.

Edit: Ampersand, thanks for being the example to the class of someone who shares their extreme opinion, without facts (other than martial arts people I know do it and are stronger than most other people). I perform martial arts, strength has nothing to do with success unless you guys train to "sweep the leg"...lol. Your better than me? What is that? 3rd grade retoric for a bully? Grow-up and prove your better than me...wait, you can't...food choices don't make the person.

 

[Princess Rose]

But this is something that I have noticed not just on the Escapist but everywhere. Just because you decide to not eat meat doesn't make me a bad person. Animals eat animals all the time and it's a pretty normal thing. Overall it's unhealthy to do because the Human body needs more protein than what can be provided in nuts. If it's your choice to do that then it's fine but remember you aren't any better than anyone else just because you choose not to eat animals.
*rant over*

Ah, but didn't you know, Vegans get psychic pow-

I think this thread is eventually going to turn into a debate about why some vegans act superior to non-vegans. There is a stereotype about that, (in before SCOTT PILGRIM HAS THAT VEGAN SCENE LOLZ!!!)

The Vegan Police

... oh. Never mind then. **pouts**

OT: I've met vegans who would sit with me while I ate a hamburger (and they ate a mushroom burger) and they were totally cool with it.
I've also met vegans who were total ass-hats.

It really comes down to the individual. Some people are cool, some people are ass-hats, and some people are vegan. Members of those groups are bound to overlap in both directions.

But, as happens with ass-hats, the ass-hats are usually the most vocal, particularly on the internet.

 

[Ampersand]

No i'm better then you because I choose not to kill animals. Deal with it.

Incidentally, you can get more then enough protein from a vegetarian diet, about half of the martial artist I train with are vegetarians and all of them are far stronger then most other fighters, never mind your average person.

How exactly does that make you a better person? Sounds to me like you're being a bigot about it. And also, don't you need to take supplements for iron? It's necessary to build muscle and carry oxygen to the brain. You only get significant amounts of it from red meat (because that itself is muscle tissue) Now, I know it's against your beliefs, but personally I'd rather eat a burger or something than choke down a nutrient drink or a pill. Both of those are a LOT more expensive than meat too.

Well morality is subjective isn't it. If he does something that I don't do because I think it's morally objectionable(at the best of times) then obviously I'm gonna think i'm a better person then he is.

No I've never needed any kind of supplement, and neither have any of the vegetarians I know (who ,i've said before, are all very fit people.) so I don't really know where that assumption comes from.

 

[Togs]

Ah militant vegetarians, more delusional than theists and more insufferable than MLP fanboys.

Kill cleanly and quickly, giving repsect to the animal thats giving its life to provide you with sustenance, but eat all the meat you want and ignore the mawkish little children.

 

[Togs]

Well morality is subjective isn't it. If he does something that I don't do because I think it's morally objectionable(at the best of times) then obviously I'm gonna think i'm a better person then he is.

No I've never needed any kind of supplement, and neither have any of the vegetarians I know (who ,i've said before, are all very fit people.) so I don't really know where that assumption comes from.

So basically when confronted with being politely asked to explain yourself you pull out "because I say so!" excuse?

 

[Hollock]

It's kind of annoying but you have to remember that it doesn't matter what anyone does, the loud obnoxious people of any group are the ones people think of.