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ellie91 said:
Also prepare for the hate(which i suppose is demonstrated somewhat by some of these responses) seriously i get so much hate for being a vegan it's ridiculous.
See, I don't hate vegans, I just hate the people you allow to represent you. As an unrepentant carnivore I don't go around waving pamphlets in people's faces or hold demonstrations outside of the supermarket. If anybody asks if I eat meat I respond with a yes, but I don't feel the need to wave my dietary values around like I see many vegans/vegetarians do. It's the obsessive and creepy ones within your lifestyle: the ones that think animals are better than people, that firebomb universities in the name of animal rights, the ones that petition Ben and Jerry's to use human breast milk in their ice cream.....those are the ones I hate.
 

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Emmitt_Nervend said:
Eating fish is not part of vegetarianism.
Yea thats what ive heard, but many still eat fish. It just seems a bit strange to me.
well for my mom, she is a vegetarian to avoid high cholesterol, but fish is very lean meat (and yea she makes exceptions for fish)
 

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ThrobbingEgo said:
Cliff_m85 said:
Out of all the things in the world, I would be most disappointed with my kid if they became a vegetarian or (even worse) a vegan.
Okay. Care to explain why?
They'll miss out on some wonderful tastes as well as bland their taste buds. Not to mention possibly developing the holier-than-thou disorder that most veggies have.
 

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JaredXE said:
ellie91 said:
Also prepare for the hate(which i suppose is demonstrated somewhat by some of these responses) seriously i get so much hate for being a vegan it's ridiculous.
See, I don't hate vegans, I just hate the people you allow to represent you. As an unrepentant carnivore I don't go around waving pamphlets in people's faces or hold demonstrations outside of the supermarket. If anybody asks if I eat meat I respond with a yes, but I don't feel the need to wave my dietary values around like I see many vegans/vegetarians do. It's the obsessive and creepy ones within your lifestyle: the ones that think animals are better than people, that firebomb universities in the name of animal rights, the ones that petition Ben and Jerry's to use human breast milk in their ice cream.....those are the ones I hate.
I think that's a fairly unpleasant caricature you're subscribing to. You can't really treat people based on some publicity stunts you've heard about.

I think the message a lot of them are trying to send is not "animals are better than people" but "people aren't so much better than animals that we can just harm them for our enjoyment." It's certainly not indefensible.
 

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Chartic said:
I have recently started practicing vegetarianism. I still eat fish but will not eat any other type of meat due to them being raised to die. I would like to know if anyone has any advice for me or any warnings that my lifestyle of not eating much meat could have on me.
Hitler was a vegetarian thus you hate freedom and want to enslave humanity. This is a known fact hence why Vegans, Vegetarians are so damn preachy and pushy because they have what I call the Hitler Gene. Anyways I eat 3 times more animals to make up for veggies not eating them. I make it my personal crusade to eat tasty animals and strike another blow for Freedom, Apple Pie and the American Way!
 

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JaredXE said:
ellie91 said:
Also prepare for the hate(which i suppose is demonstrated somewhat by some of these responses) seriously i get so much hate for being a vegan it's ridiculous.
See, I don't hate vegans, I just hate the people you allow to represent you. As an unrepentant carnivore I don't go around waving pamphlets in people's faces or hold demonstrations outside of the supermarket. If anybody asks if I eat meat I respond with a yes, but I don't feel the need to wave my dietary values around like I see many vegans/vegetarians do. It's the obsessive and creepy ones within your lifestyle: the ones that think animals are better than people, that firebomb universities in the name of animal rights, the ones that petition Ben and Jerry's to use human breast milk in their ice cream.....those are the ones I hate.

Woah woah woah......People are petitioning Ben and Jerry's to use human breast milk?



........where can I sign this peTiTion?
 

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Not eating meat is bad for you. It's much harder to get protein and it doesn't matter if you don't eat meat because I will and I eat a whole bunch of meat.
 

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popdafoo said:
Not eating meat is bad for you. It's much harder to get protein and it doesn't matter if you don't eat meat because I will and I eat a whole bunch of meat.
I just buy a ton and throw it away. :p
 

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Cliff_m85 said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
Cliff_m85 said:
Out of all the things in the world, I would be most disappointed with my kid if they became a vegetarian or (even worse) a vegan.
Okay. Care to explain why?
They'll miss out on some wonderful tastes as well as bland their taste buds. Not to mention possibly developing the holier-than-thou disorder that most veggies have.
So what you're really afraid of is the thought of your kids looking down on you?

Meat, on it's own, is pretty bland. It's all spices and marinades.
 

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popdafoo said:
Not eating meat is bad for you. It's much harder to get protein and it doesn't matter if you don't eat meat because I will and I eat a whole bunch of meat.
1) Beans and broccoli. Loaded with protein.

2) Other people aren't responsible for your actions.

(I'm not vegetarian, by the way.)
 

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ThrobbingEgo said:
Cliff_m85 said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
Cliff_m85 said:
Out of all the things in the world, I would be most disappointed with my kid if they became a vegetarian or (even worse) a vegan.
Okay. Care to explain why?
They'll miss out on some wonderful tastes as well as bland their taste buds. Not to mention possibly developing the holier-than-thou disorder that most veggies have.
So what you're really afraid of is the thought of your kids looking down on you?

Meat, on it's own, is pretty bland. It's all spices and marinades.
Not really, I can always just have new kids. (I don't have any yet)

Meat is delicious on it's own sometimes. Scallops, oysters, cappacio, sashimi, etc.
 

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It's a fact that all vegetarians and vegans eventually die.


Care to tell me how much healthier being a veggie is now?
 

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Cliff_m85 said:
It's a fact that all vegetarians and vegans eventually die.


Care to tell me how much healthier being a veggie is now?
Preach it Brother! Spread the Good Word! Another Blow against the Evil Vegan Empire and another giant leap for Meat Eating Kind.
 

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Cliff_m85 said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
Cliff_m85 said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
Cliff_m85 said:
Out of all the things in the world, I would be most disappointed with my kid if they became a vegetarian or (even worse) a vegan.
Okay. Care to explain why?
They'll miss out on some wonderful tastes as well as bland their taste buds. Not to mention possibly developing the holier-than-thou disorder that most veggies have.
So what you're really afraid of is the thought of your kids looking down on you?

Meat, on it's own, is pretty bland. It's all spices and marinades.
Not really, I can always just have new kids. (I don't have any yet)

Meat is delicious on it's own sometimes. Scallops, oysters, cappacio, sashimi, etc.
Yeah, "on it's own" with garlic butter, soy sauce, and wasabi.

Cliff_m85 said:
It's a fact that all vegetarians and vegans eventually die.


Care to tell me how much healthier being a veggie is now?
Eh, would you rather be healthy at eighty, or bloated and uncomfortable?

Death is an invetiability, but being healthy has its perks.
 

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If our ancestors were vegetarians we would all still be in africa and not be where we are today:)but i guess eat lots of beans n shiz to get ur protein:)
 

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Chartic said:
I have recently started practicing vegetarianism. I still eat fish but will not eat any other type of meat due to them being raised to die. I would like to know if anyone has any advice for me or any warnings that my lifestyle of not eating much meat could have on me.
meat is simply parts of the animal, so fish is still meat idiot.
 

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ThrobbingEgo said:
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Does being raised to die really matter? If we all just hunted our meat, does that make it better? It would seem that a wild animal, trying desperately to live only to be one of our meals seems worse then an animal who was raised in the lap of luxury (comparatively) and killed after the prime of their life. Seems like a good deal.
Spoken like someone who has no concept of factory farming. Look up a chicken battery farm. It's like calling Auschwitz the "lap of luxury."

You'd think that would be hyperbole, but, honestly, what we do to animals is pretty sick. That picture of a farm with a cow, some pigs, a dozen chickens and a red barn? That's not the reality. Animals, in modern farms, are treated as simple machines that convert low quality grain into meat - their needs are far from being the farmer's concern.
You sly dog you! I see what you did there. Taking the obvious extremes of the point and making me defend it. Obviously not every single farm is the best place to go for animals, but then again, neither is every home. Neither is every place in the wild. There are always going to be terrible places, some worse than others. When it comes to being fed, and living until we're ready to eat you, being on a farm is much better then living in the wild.
 

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Cuniculus said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
Cuniculus said:
Does being raised to die really matter? If we all just hunted our meat, does that make it better? It would seem that a wild animal, trying desperately to live only to be one of our meals seems worse then an animal who was raised in the lap of luxury (comparatively) and killed after the prime of their life. Seems like a good deal.
Spoken like someone who has no concept of factory farming. Look up a chicken battery farm. It's like calling Auschwitz the "lap of luxury."

You'd think that would be hyperbole, but, honestly, what we do to animals is pretty sick. That picture of a farm with a cow, some pigs, a dozen chickens and a red barn? That's not the reality. Animals, in modern farms, are treated as simple machines that convert low quality grain into meat - their needs are far from being the farmer's concern.
You sly dog you! I see what you did there. Taking the obvious extremes of the point and making me defend it. Obviously not every single farm is the best place to go for animals, but then again, neither is every home. Neither is every place in the wild. There are always going to be terrible places, some worse than others. When it comes to being fed, and living until we're ready to eat you, being on a farm is much better then living in the wild.
No. I'd rather fend for myself in the wild than be couped up in a small cage, with my teeth cut out, chocking on noxious fumes, while shit was falling on me from the cages above.

This is not the extreme. This is the norm. You go to a restaurant or the supermarket, this is where your meat came from. It's not a cushy life: it's short and traumatic. This is why meat is cheap.