Vegetarianism

[squid5580]

Just do some research and make sure you are getting complete carbohydrates. I am sure you should be able to find tons of vegetarian recipes online to help you out.

Personally I am a carnivore. Very rarely to I eat vegtables.

 

[matnatz]

Whether you eat it or not, they still die. Just now, more of it's going to waste.

 

[Cuniculus]

This is not the extreme. This is the norm. It's not a cushy life: it's short and traumatic. This is why meat is cheap.

Shouldn't someone be out lobbying for a change then? Not pointing any fingers for letting the poor chickens suffer.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

This is not the extreme. This is the norm. It's not a cushy life: it's short and traumatic. This is why meat is cheap.

Shouldn't someone be out lobbying for a change then? Not pointing any fingers for letting the poor chickens suffer.

People do. There have been protests for decades. There's just such a demand for meat, and the agriculture lobby's huge.

Changes happen in baby steps.

 

[Andalusa]

As long as your diet is still balanced and you get enough protein from other sources then you should be fine.
Also, if you eat fish you're not a vegetarian. Fish is a meat.

 

[Cuniculus]

This is not the extreme. This is the norm. It's not a cushy life: it's short and traumatic. This is why meat is cheap.

Shouldn't someone be out lobbying for a change then? Not pointing any fingers for letting the poor chickens suffer.

People do. There have been protests for decades. There's just such a demand for meat, and the agriculture lobby's huge.

Changes happen in baby steps.

Well then that actually makes me think, because obviously it's horrible the way you describe it... but I've seen footage of chicken farms and never even heard of this (please realize I'm not calling you a liar, just saying). The demand for meat is high? So, basically, human beings will tolerate any injustice if it fills their needs? Sounds morbid.

P.S. Will be having chicken for dinner, despite their terrible treatment.

 

[DarkRyter]

I once met a person who only ate meat, if it came from an animal he personally fought and killed with his bare hands. Though he would occasionally use a small knife if the animal was large.

He says it tastes like nature.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

This is not the extreme. This is the norm. It's not a cushy life: it's short and traumatic. This is why meat is cheap.

Shouldn't someone be out lobbying for a change then? Not pointing any fingers for letting the poor chickens suffer.

People do. There have been protests for decades. There's just such a demand for meat, and the agriculture lobby's huge.

Changes happen in baby steps.

Well then that actually makes me think, because obviously it's horrible the way you describe it... but I've seen footage of chicken farms and never even heard of this (please realize I'm not calling you a liar, just saying). The demand for meat is high? So, basically, human beings will tolerate any injustice if it fills their needs? Sounds morbid.

P.S. Will be having chicken for dinner, despite their terrible treatment.

It's not the most positive picture of us, no. If you have the time, look for a copy of Animal Liberation by Peter Singer, preferably the more recent second edition. I don't agree with everything the man says philosophically, but he does an accurate depiction of factory farming.

I'm not totally against eating meat - I'm not a vegetarian - but I don't like the way the animals are treated.

 

[Cuniculus]

Heh, and then there's this:

http://www.theroot.com/views/you-ll-never-eat-chicken-mcnuggets-again

Meh, not impressed. Designed to disgust huh? Who the hell is this supposed to be against anyway? They said that you'd never even look at an ear of corn the same way again. What the hell is this supposed to accomplish? Make no one eat anything?

Hey, actually, great idea. We can skinny up some of us Americans. Fatties.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

You eat fish. Ergo, you are not a vegeterian. Quad Error Demonstrandum.

You just don't eat other types of meat. Eating fish precludes vegeterianism.

Isn't it "Quod Erat Demonstrandum"?

Damn you sir. Now I have to look through every last one of Oscar Wilde's works until I find this quote.

 

[khawkes1]

The biggest issue for me was the lack of B12 in my diet.
It's the one thing I'm forced to supplement to keep myself at healthy levels.

 

[Cuniculus]

It's not the most positive picture of us, no. If you have the time, look for a copy of Animal Liberation by Peter Singer, preferably the more recent second edition. I don't agree with everything the man says philosophicly, but he does an accurate depiction of factory farming.

I'm not totally against eating meat - I'm not a vegetarian - but I don't like the way the animals are treated.

Thanks, but no thanks. I'm not really interested in learning about how my food is made. I know disgusting things happen, but hell. Even if the animals were treated perfectly, the farmer could just take a piss in your orange juice before he sends it out anyway.

On the subject of animal treatment, yeah, I can agree that they shouldn't be treated badly, but obviously it isn't changing. Even trying our best we still can't 100% stop animal cruelty. Even harvesting grain kills thousands of animals a day.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

It's not the most positive picture of us, no. If you have the time, look for a copy of Animal Liberation by Peter Singer, preferably the more recent second edition. I don't agree with everything the man says philosophicly, but he does an accurate depiction of factory farming.

I'm not totally against eating meat - I'm not a vegetarian - but I don't like the way the animals are treated.

Thanks, but no thanks. I'm not really interested in learning about how my food is made. I know disgusting things happen, but hell. Even if the animals were treated perfectly, the farmer could just take a piss in your orange juice before he sends it out anyway.

On the subject of animal treatment, yeah, I can agree that they shouldn't be treated badly, but obviously it isn't changing. Even trying our best we still can't 100% stop animal cruelty. Even harvesting grain kills thousands of animals a day.

Maddox fan, I take it?

One could argue there's a big difference between making an animal suffer for it's entire short life, or instantly crushing it with a grain combine inadvertantly. You're not tearing off their beaks, keeping them in the dark, letting their feet fuse to the mesh of their shared, cramped cage. It's kind of a big difference.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

You eat fish. Ergo, you are not a vegeterian. Quad Error Demonstrandum.

You just don't eat other types of meat. Eating fish precludes vegeterianism.

Isn't it "Quod Erat Demonstrandum"?

Damn you sir. Now I have to look through every last one of Oscar Wilde's works until I find this quote.

It's a Latin phrase meaning 'the things which was to be demonstrated being proven' roughly--Wilde may have been punning on it by changing 'quod' to 'quad'.

I'd disagree with it anyway, because hypocrisy only says bad things about you - not the argument. For fans of Latin, Ad Hominem Tu Quoque.

 

[Cuniculus]

It's not the most positive picture of us, no. If you have the time, look for a copy of Animal Liberation by Peter Singer, preferably the more recent second edition. I don't agree with everything the man says philosophicly, but he does an accurate depiction of factory farming.

I'm not totally against eating meat - I'm not a vegetarian - but I don't like the way the animals are treated.

Thanks, but no thanks. I'm not really interested in learning about how my food is made. I know disgusting things happen, but hell. Even if the animals were treated perfectly, the farmer could just take a piss in your orange juice before he sends it out anyway.

On the subject of animal treatment, yeah, I can agree that they shouldn't be treated badly, but obviously it isn't changing. Even trying our best we still can't 100% stop animal cruelty. Even harvesting grain kills thousands of animals a day.

Maddox fan, I take it?

One could argue there's a big difference between making an animal suffer for it's entire short life, or instantly crushing it with a grain combine inadvertantly. You're not tearing off their beaks, keeping them in the dark, letting their feet fuse to the mesh of their shared, cramped cage. It's kind of a big difference.

I won't deny that I am indeed a fan, but I hope you'll believe me when I say that I knew the stats before reading that particular post.

In the words of other people I hate, "A life is a life."

 

[ElephantGuts]

Would you feel better if you started hunting and only ate meat you killed? If your problem really is the way the animals are raised, I highly suggest this option to solve both your problems.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

It's not the most positive picture of us, no. If you have the time, look for a copy of Animal Liberation by Peter Singer, preferably the more recent second edition. I don't agree with everything the man says philosophicly, but he does an accurate depiction of factory farming.

I'm not totally against eating meat - I'm not a vegetarian - but I don't like the way the animals are treated.

Thanks, but no thanks. I'm not really interested in learning about how my food is made. I know disgusting things happen, but hell. Even if the animals were treated perfectly, the farmer could just take a piss in your orange juice before he sends it out anyway.

On the subject of animal treatment, yeah, I can agree that they shouldn't be treated badly, but obviously it isn't changing. Even trying our best we still can't 100% stop animal cruelty. Even harvesting grain kills thousands of animals a day.

Maddox fan, I take it?

One could argue there's a big difference between making an animal suffer for it's entire short life, or instantly crushing it with a grain combine inadvertantly. You're not tearing off their beaks, keeping them in the dark, letting their feet fuse to the mesh of their shared, cramped cage. It's kind of a big difference.

I won't deny that I am indeed a fan, but I hope you'll believe me when I say that I knew the stats before reading that particular post.

In the words of other people I hate, "A life is a life."

But it's really besides the point isn't it? Just because other bad things happen, it doesn't make it any less wrong.

It doesn't make sense to allow ten people to die, if you could prevent it, if you can't save one regardless.

 

[Cuniculus]

In the words of other people I hate, "A life is a life."

But it's really besides the point isn't it? Just because other bad things happen, it doesn't make it any less wrong.

I just said I didn't agree with it. I just said I'm not going to stop eating meat because of it. Or.. you know, do anything about it as a matter of fact. Maybe the chickens could start a union.