Violence is completely uncensored in videogames... But love is??

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migo

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Generic Gamer said:
migo said:
Kids feel uncomfortable because they are brainwashed in feeling uncomfortable. It's not natural at all and exposing them to sexuality doesn't warp their development. Restricting their access to it and then exposing them naturally would. Adults are far more likely to get upset by sexuality than kids are, and kids will only get upset after they recognise adults getting upset.
Of course it's natural, kids don't like physical intimacy and I've never known one who has.
Sure they do. Kids that aren't shown physical intimacy - that is hugging, sometimes kissing, generally any display of love by their parents, they grow up maladjusted. Seeing physical intimacy is the same, if they're exposed to kissing, handholding and such at a young age, then they're better able to deal with it when they're older. For that matter, it's already been demonstrated that the kids don't really care. There was this Dutch kids show that involved someone reading a story book. They had the reader on one day sitting on the chair completely naked reading the story, but otherwise nothing changed. The kids watched it and didn't have any reaction, but the parents were upset (fortunately, since they were Dutch they were smart enough to realise after their initial reaction that they were overreacting since the kids weren't). That's why kids react the way they do to anything sexual, their parents react badly towards it and they think they should too otherwise they won't get approval.

I don't live in a Christian country but even I think that exposing kids to graphic sex might not be a great idea. And you know it'll happen don't you? You could slap a picture of Satan twiddling his goatee on the box and kids'll still get it.
What does Satan have to do with it?

Just out of interest, why do you want sex in games? It'd play like porn! Combine the shit writing of the games industry with sex and what do you get?
It's a matter of principle. Violence is worse than sex. Violence is considered acceptable for children, but sex isn't. That's just ludicrous. It's like drug rules. Alcohol is worse than marijuanna, yet marijuanna is illegal in most places. It's stupid. I can handle marijuanna being illegal in muslim countries, but alcohol is also banned there, so at least they're completely consistent. In Canada and the US they're stupid about it, and legalise the worse drug while criminalising the more moderate one (which at its worst will just make someone apathetic and incompetent rather than violent as alcohol does). Nobody should be allowed to see someone's head ripped off while not being allowed to watch two people having sex.
 

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crudus said:
I actually don't want to see sex in games since developers like Bioware can't get their textures to interact correctly.

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Because sex will definitely corrupt our children beyond belief.
Actually it has been proven that a teenager (or anyone) who have watched porn do actually get false expectations and standards for sex. Although children shouldn't be playing M rated games to begin with.
Hm, yeah I suppose. Although so what? They'll quickly work out that it doesn't work like that after embarrassing themselves a few times....

Lol
 

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its because good little Bobby can see lots of violence because when he hits his twenties the good 'ole Catholic Church can send him off to war and having him desensitized can help make it easier
but if he sees any sex he might realize theres something better and not go off to die

i do realize this is biased and probably makes absolutely no sense lol
 

SimuLord

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Because the world's overpopulated, so things that will result in there being less people are encouraged, while things that will result in there being more people are censored.
 

Eclectic Dreck

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Eicha said:
Religious influence, my friend. Puritan, Christian views, saying "The lord sez sex is a baaaad thing and should only be used for reproduction. But murdering is great, as long as you can say that its all for god."
That really is the problem I'd say. I can main, mutilate and murder to my heart's content. I can end the lives of billions at as stroke. Every vice is explored and indeed exalted save those of the flesh. Strangely, of all the vices up for offer on the average day, those of the flesh generally count among the most accepted while those that are most often considered reprehensible are the ones we are allowed to explore in games.

The positioning of the argument from a moral or even religious angle has little merit in reality.
 

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Can anyone explain to me why I can openly rip a man's arms off, beat him to death with them, and then smoke crack out of his eye sockets in a video game and have in completely uncensored.... But anything involving the act of live (sex, sexual body parts, even references) is entirely censored out of the game? What sick minded person decided that's how things were gonna go?

God of War games are a perfect example.

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Violence is easy to copy. Just hit a guy and be done with it. Love however is an emotion. Emotions are very hard to make properly in a game, and their use can make or break a game. Love is the hardest, as it's quite impossible to give the player a sense of love. If you want to give emotion to a game, you must be sure that that emotion will also be transferred to the player. Otherwise we would just relate it as much as the love between Mario and Princess Peach. And that is nothing, unless we are talking about the love of... cake?
 

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I hate to break it to you, but that's not love at the start of God of War.
I'd assert that it matters little what emotion fuels Kratos at any given moment (here's a hint however: it's all a variation on rage, including anger, malice, animosity, and even wrath). The trouble is that God of War has already crossed every conceivable line save one. What's more, it is little more than the most juvenile of power fantasies.

Kratos has already murdered his family. He has slaughtered the innocent for the most minor of personal gain. He has slain gods and goddesses. What's more, he does all of this in a brutally personal way with rivers of blood and mountains of entrails left in his wake. What's more, he sleeps with the available harlots as they arrive and the game decides at this most crucial of moments to draw the line.

Again, the trouble often comes to the "but think of the children" logic that plagues modern man. The problem with such logic, is that such protection cannot be strewn about haphazardly. I, like most males, fantasized regularly about sex. When that was not enough, I was known to go to significant lengths to acquire pornography. To put it bluntly, short of hovering over your children each and every moment of their lives until the age of 18, there is no conceivable way to prevent them from witnessing an explicit act of sexuality. And even should one be successful, what has been gained? Such action results in an adult that almost certainly has limited understanding of interpersonal relationships, no real knowledge of sex (or its potential dangers), who is almost certainly unsuited to live a life on their own.

The simple facts of the matter are this: sex is an important part of social interaction. At some level, sex drives most human interaction. What's more, the simple act of sex is hardly evil unless one finds a continuation of the species some sort of mortal sin.

I don't expect a game to include hardcore pornography. Regular cinema has grappled with the same problem for decades. One can display sex directly without being lewd about it. Beyond simple "tricks of the camera" (easier when the camera only occupies virtual space), it falls to the game designers and writers to create a relationship where a sexual encounter seems fitting. Look at Mass Effect or Neverwinter Nights 2 - by the time one reaches the culmination of a relationship they have marched to the very gates of hell together and stand on the precipice of annihilation. It seems to me that the unlikely scenario given such conditions is the two parties would choose to abstain in the face of oblivion. There are plenty of other examples but the point is relatively simple: if you allow the player to build a relationship that culminated in the implication of sex, what good does prudishness do to draw the line at even a brief cutscene?
 

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Eclectic Dreck said:
Hiphophippo said:
I hate to break it to you, but that's not love at the start of God of War.
I'd assert that it matters little what emotion fuels Kratos at any given moment
perhaps, but the OP is calling out love. Maybe they're just too young to talk about sex unless we're talking in hushed tones.
 

Altorin

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I wouldn't say violence is uncensored.

Lots of countries for instance have laws against showing red blood. Blood in games in those countries is green (or in TF2's case, black, and the gibs are nuts and bolts, which is actually pretty clever). Skulls and skeletons are entirely censored in China. And Manhunt 2 actually managed to obtain an AO rating for violence, which I didn't think was possible, until it toned it down.

And "Love" is never censored. "Making Love" sometimes is - I'd say what bioware does is about the furthest you could go with "Making Love" and having it not be censored. You can show full frontal nudity in a game and still get an M rating. You can lie two naked avatars together in a bed, and still get an M rating, they can kiss, they can hold eachother, but they can't have sex.. and really, I'm alright with that.. You can see Niko getting it on with prostitutes in GTA4, although their clothes don't come off and usually the cars roof blocks the "action", but you can see it through the windows.

*shrug* I don't think it's a problem really. We have a LOT of freedom as far as content in the west.
 

cabalistics

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Germany is a home to lots weird and kinky sex stuff but a lot of their horror movies are very censored as well as some references to Nazis like swastikas