Violence is completely uncensored in videogames... But love is??

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Thick

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Though my first impulse was to hop on the religious influences on social norms and taboos, I had a different thought, perhaps falling in the role of the devil's advocate.

It might have something to do with the uncanny valley. Watching characters that look human but at the same time strangely not human have sex, ignoring the fact that programming physical interaction of 3D figures is pretty difficult and so animations would be weird, would make the whole thing uncomfortable and less enjoyable to see.

Or it could just be the religious thing. /shrug

Though I wouldn't mind seeing love as in a more emotionally deep relationship in a game. To be fair, I have no idea how well (possibly not at all) that would work in terms of a game or even trying to work it into gameplay. It would just be an improvement and more satisfying than your lead characters sharing glances for ten hours and then, "They're in love now, got it?"
 

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Obviously, this happens because the developers want it to be that way. You can find games that don't care about censoring nudity and the like, Dante's Inferno being a great example. Though I don't see why you really want that in a game. I personally don't find it appealing (nor do I find it the opposite). I mean, why do you care about some polygonal private parts?

Also, the extent to which sexual themes plays a role in any given game might also determine how far they're willing to take it.
 
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I think game companies (and the artists that make the games) would love to put more sex in games. However, they are a business and with today's ESRB that really is not a good business plan. Game studios fear the AO Rating and will buckle to the threat of it every time.

So, I think it's more an economics issue than a moral issue. At least, on the development side.
 

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It's society. And this explaination follows a very windy road, so you'll have to bare with me as we walk down it.

In America, we're based on religion. In Washington (DC), you can't get very far with public voters if you're not openly faithful. Politicians are poo pooed on for not going to church. In extension, people have demanded (in that collective fashion) for years that society has been losing its grip on moral fiber. Here's the groundwork.

Television and radio, the first forms of entertainment, had standards and practices that they adhered to. At first, it was no swearing in radio. It didn't take much to push the envelope. Television entertainment was pretty well the same. Then society started to change, wanting more. (I would say Rock and Roll and Elvis had a lot of influence here.) We went from black and white car chases, tense moments, and small on screen out bursts to upping the ante.

Over the years, television has slowly become more and more riske. With the original A-Team, you had action and violence, but NO ONE ever died. No one was ever seen dying on screen. If they took a bullet, it was a flesh wound. Skip forward to 24, and people will get shot on screen. We'll see blood. That would have been unheard of 40 some years ago.

Sex hasn't remained unchanged in television cerca 1940's. It's been expanding slower than violence. Remember that religious background Washington has been seeping with? Well in the bible, sex is a sin. For whatever reason, it's a bigger sin than violence (there's a lot of violence in the bible). That's one aspect that's hung around. In modern television, we have sex scenes that are hinted at, never seen. (Cable programs will take it to the level of soft core porn.)

Society has slowly become more and more desensitized to entertainment, requiring more envelope pushing extremes. It's always had standards and practices that it wasn't allowed to breach, but society has slowly changed to expect it, even demand it. Which is why if you ever watch television from the 70's and 80's, it seems so dull. It wasn't the same standards, and it was far more about the expectations of society in that era.

What does this have to do with gaming? Well in Television, there were standards that were originally picked up from radio. Gaming likewise took ques from television. Radio, television, and gaming have all evolved in their own ways, and there is sex in all of them now. But there is still the boundries of today that expect that sex will be limited, because we (rather, those that are in power that are expected to adhere to the practices of Faith and the Bible) see it as a greater sin than violence. Entertainment went the way of the action hero, and evolved. We evolved with it, and now it's nothing to us to see someone get their brains blown out on screen. Since sex didn't have the same opportunities, it's a bit behind the times.

Sex is catching up, in gaming, though. I think you can thank rating systems for that too. There are (mainstream US) games specifically for the male gamer to watch and interact with nude women. BME XXXtreme was one that came to mind. (I never played, but since it's not on some holy grail, I can only imagine its not terribly good as a sexual experience). It's just going to take some time. I imagine in 2020, we'll be leagues ahead with sex in our entertainment (not talking about porn).

Bioware has been introducing same sex partners into gaming experiences. Yes, the sex is still very PG-13 at best. But its still a huge move forward in gaming and sex in entertainment. Eventually, we'll reach a point where M-for-Mature will be able to include the same sexual content as R-rated movies. Which is the occational topless woman.

In the meantime, other countries have developed differently, and their sexual evolution in entertainment has too. Countries like Japan have sex integrated into some games moreso than violence. You'll have to get your fix there, for now. That is until the expectations of society as a whole for entertainment demands that little bit more. ;)
 

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It irritates me when people play the, "Why would you masturbate to pixels?" arguement. By that tolken who would want to masturbate to ink in a magazine, or have sex with a mess of atoms, molecules, cells, and dead skin? The reason is because it looks and feels good, and as long as those two requirements are met, or just the latter for some people, we are totally fine pleasuring ourselves. And while a person may be more substantial than a picture, if you think about people as bits and pieces and never the whole, much like some people think about drawn porn or nude video game characters, then the same distaste (for lack of a better word) will apply.
 

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If the kids want sex, let 'em have it.

I mean, for the amount of time some people spend gaming, they could've developed several intimate relationships instead. It is a big time whore that misses critical points it sometimes pretends to replace (how else can you call games that aren't tabletop). Kids grow impatient, unsatisfied, socially impractical.
 

Geekmaster

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That's just how it is....

Bathing in someones entrails is considered as bad as a pair of tits.

thanks religion. Especially you Christianity.... You dick.

Seriously, I've been having sex since the age of 14 and I'm not particularly sick. I'm not violent at all for example.
 

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kinda like this. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/102598-Erotic-Role-Play-Police-to-Patrol-World-of-Warcraft Quite happy to let his son play a game where he is regularly fighting others and NPCs (I know its not graphic or anything, but still) yet completely freaks out because some people like to make their avatars run about in their underwear and dance (again, its WOW, how bad could it really be? If there was graphic discussion the language used is probably no worse than any typical action movie, and the guys son is 15 - he wouldve heard/seen some extreme stuff already anyway.

Its just that people, and especially in America - the main audience for games, do see sex as a huge corruptor, where as not so much with violence and ultimately that affects sales. You hear these stories of developers ensuring that their games dont get rated 18 in the US because that is often a death call in terms of sales and it would seem more often than not that it is sex that pushes them into this category and not violence. As to why this is, I dont know, you would need to investigate cencorship laws.
 

RewardMe

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RewardMe said:
I'd love it if after you rip the guys arm off you can have sex with it aswell.
Seriously? Put on probation for that? Christ.

EDIT: It's the second time now. I better watch my P's and Q's.
 

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RewardMe said:
summerof2010 said:
RewardMe said:
Does anyone remember indigo prophecy? Gawd controlling that sex scene was weird.. and hot.
the main character has turned into a super saiyan zombie and the lady cop decides that the best course of action is to have unprotected sex not ten feet from a gathering of smelly hobo rebels in their smelly hobo disused subway station with the the guy she, until then, had been tracking down to capture/kill and that she knew nothing about except that he was a murderer and a corpse and that has just gotten her partner killed in the course of the fucked up alien/government-conspiracy/psychotic-episodes-of-said-protagonist bull shit?

That sex scene? Come to think of it, I think that may just have been what voided my innocence and made despise humanity at least until the penance that was Heavy Rain. Guess they were right -- sex in games does corrupt the youth, boy howdy!
Haha, i just googled. I can't remember those scenes. The one i'm talking about is when his trying to impress his ex by playing the guitar. If you get the right buttons playing the guitar you end up in bed with her and you control the thrusts he make. I'm pretty sure i heard, though, that it got cut for the american version.

But damn, what's not sexy about the spoiler you mentioned?
That may be why, since I played that version. Though it may just be the force of the incredible, almost-reality altering loss of context and character that destroyed any respect I might have developed for that game before shit got weird that distracted me from many of the events of the first half.
 

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summerof2010 said:
RewardMe said:
summerof2010 said:
RewardMe said:
Does anyone remember indigo prophecy? Gawd controlling that sex scene was weird.. and hot.
the main character has turned into a super saiyan zombie and the lady cop decides that the best course of action is to have unprotected sex not ten feet from a gathering of smelly hobo rebels in their smelly hobo disused subway station with the the guy she, until then, had been tracking down to capture/kill and that she knew nothing about except that he was a murderer and a corpse and that has just gotten her partner killed in the course of the fucked up alien/government-conspiracy/psychotic-episodes-of-said-protagonist bull shit?

That sex scene? Come to think of it, I think that may just have been what voided my innocence and made despise humanity at least until the penance that was Heavy Rain. Guess they were right -- sex in games does corrupt the youth, boy howdy!
Haha, i just googled. I can't remember those scenes. The one i'm talking about is when his trying to impress his ex by playing the guitar. If you get the right buttons playing the guitar you end up in bed with her and you control the thrusts he make. I'm pretty sure i heard, though, that it got cut for the american version.

But damn, what's not sexy about the spoiler you mentioned?
That may be why, since I played that version. Though it may just be the force of the incredible, almost-reality altering loss of context and character that destroyed any respect I might have developed for that game before shit got weird that distracted me from many of the events of the first half.
I think most who played that game and loved it agreed it just got fucking crazy in the second half. The choices you could make earlier saved that game for me.
 

PauL o_O

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RewardMe said:
RewardMe said:
I'd love it if after you rip the guys arm off you can have sex with it aswell.
Seriously? Put on probation for that? Christ.

EDIT: It's the second time now. I better watch my P's and Q's.
That is the lamest reason for probation I've ever heard of haha.
 

AngelOfBlueRoses

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Sorry bud, but love does not equal sex. There is plenty of LOVE in games, but what need is there for sex to be in games? Is it really relevant to the plot that Cloud must have sex with Tifa or something so that they can defeat Sephiroth? If it has some relevancy to the plot and some actual romantic context behind it, then by all means... but until then, let's not shoehorn it in.