Violent Video Games "Warped" the Dark Knight Rises Killer

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The Joker does not have read hair....The Joker's Daughter, Duela Dent, does but that ain't the Joker.

What does kinky sex have to do with anything? Millions of people are sexin' every day in odd ways but that doesn't make them killers.

Anyone notice how the blurb did not relate to anything in the title?
 

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Chairman Miaow said:
Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
Preacher zer0 said:
Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
[HEADING=3]IF SOMEONE IS ALREADY CRAZY, THEN PLAYING VIOLENT VIDEOGAMES, OR REALLY ANY GAME THAT INVOLVES KILLING STUFF, COULD ABSOLUTELY MAKE THEM WORSE. THIS IS NOT SOME KIND OF ATTACK ON THE MEDIUM, IT IS COMMON FUCKING SENSE.
You cannot deny the staggering scale of inaccurate, sensationalist and outright bullcrap about games and gamers spewed forth by a media so out of touch with reality it thinks the Joker has red hair.

Besides, everyone knows games are the 21st century version of "the devil made me do it".

Captcha: Counting Sheep... hm.
Oh really? I can't deny it? Because all I've seen is a guest on CNN saying that videogames can make crazy people worse (Exact quote: "I'm not saying videogames make you a killer"), which is totally reasonable. Then there's this, which I don't think I comment accurately on until I've read more then a headline. Even if it does turn out to be anti-videogame bullshit, that'll bring the grand total up to 1. If you can show me this "staggering" amount of crap, I'll break out the 'ol rage without hesitation. But I just haven't seen it, plain and simple. Seems like the Escapist just has this overly defensive, knee-jerk reaction any time videogames are mentioned by any kind of news media, and nobody every really THINKS about it.
I don't know if you're English or not, but if you are't, then just read any article ever by The Mail or The Express. It's always videogames or immigrants that are to blame. If you are, how could you have missed this?

Edit: Here's a good example, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132002/Anders-Behring-Breivik-trial-Norway-killer-wanted-behead-prime-minister-live-online.html

4 out of the 6 points are about him playing videogames. (and also bullshit, CoD 16 hours a day, AND WoW, for a year? when did he shop? eat? sleep?

Another article. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2066803/Violent-video-games-DO-make-people-aggressive.html

Favours the study which took place over a couple of weeks with 22 people over the study over 3 years with 165 people. It also doesn't mention in the study that it makes people more agressive, just different.

Two more great ones, don't even need explaining: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2137757/Are-creating-generation-murderers-Shoot-em-ups-train-gamers-shoot-real-guns-accurately--hit-victims-head.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2039841/How-video-games-blur-real-life-boundaries-prompt-thoughts-violent-solutions-players-problems.html

Another one: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2176605/Teenager-killed-father-attacked-mother-taking-drugs-playing-violent-video-games.html

Videogames are mentioned twice in the article, one of those, in the headline.

I haven't even looked for articles from the express yet, which is a worse paper for it.
ha ha!! That article with the headline saying games do make you more aggressive. dosent say that in the report but hey! won't stop them from making stuff up!
 

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ha ha!! That article with the headline saying games do make you more aggressive. dosent say that in the report but hey! won't stop them from making stuff up!
There was also one quoting a study which didn't even exist saying that games turned kids into zombies. I couldn't be bothered looking up the sources for that one though.
 

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I was wondering how long it'd take before video games got blamed for this. Maybe I am cynical but the second I read about it, I made a bet with myself that it'd be no more than a week before video games were blamed.
 

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JESUS BLOODY CHRIST.

I read the title and I now want to murder anyone who was even related to writing it.

"THAT'S BECAUSE OF VIDE-"
Sorry folks, had to kill that person. Anyway, just because a VIOLENT person plays VIOLENT games, DOES NOT mean the games caused it. Think about it. I like Space Marines. I like playing games with Space Marines in them.

Violent people like violence. They like games with violence in them. This means VIOLENT people are drawn to VIOLENT games.

And also... Since when in the hell was World of Warcraft violent? All I remember was flashy cartoon colours!
*snip*
This. This is everything I was going to write. Thank you for saving me time.
 

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Yep that didn't take very long for the papers to grab their baby bottle for safe assumptions. My paper came through my letterbox today and I sighed when I saw the front page article;

"Sometimes when he was supposed to be reading a paper or something like that, I would see him playing online role-playing games like World Of Warcraft and League of Legends"

And that is the only sentance in a 3 page spread on the article that mentions anything about video games.
What? I'm disapointed. I mean, if you're going to attack video games, at least do it properly.

Also, I don't know about League of Legends, but isn't WoW not gratuitously violent anyway?
 

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violent_quiche said:
Russirishican said:
violent_quiche said:
This is now my go to clip for times like these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4&feature=player_embedded

If you don't have 2.48 to give to the whole thing, skip to 1.30 then tell me who does more to encourage shit like this. I'm sick of the things I love getting scapegoated by a medium that actively ignores professional advice in favour of commercial gain.
Does this mean I can twist this to blame the media now? A taste of their own medicine wouldn't hurt....................

....is what I would say if I really had to twist this around at all.
That would be nice, but sadly it would be stooping to their level. These moments are the product of a host of issues of which games, films, etc are a debatable part- mental health and access to weaponry are also parts, and arguably of greater direct importance.

My beef is that there are tangible things that mass media can do to mitigate these situations, that have been known about for a long time, that they blatantly ignore every single time. Perhaps the medium that like to appoint itself as chief inquisitor, counsellor and agony aunt should look at it's own behaviour before pointing the finger at the usual convenient targets?
I know, giving someone a taste of their own medicine does nothing but make you look like a hypocrite. The current media is a propaganda machine fueled by the stupidity of the masses believing every word that pours from their screens. Something has got to change, either the masses need to be educated as to just how wrong the current media is (which I doubt is even possible), or the media needs to be broken down somehow.(which, again, I seriously doubt is possible)
 

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I'd like to konw when excatly The Joker had red hair. I seem to recall it always being green. Anyways in my own paper The Province it stated at one point the Arkam City took place in a movie theatre.

Good God...
 

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"With dyed red hair, like the joker."
Wait a mo, Isn't the jokers hair green?
Even anyone who only saw the dark knight would know this, such poor editoral skills that they couldnt even research such a basic fact about one of the subject matters.

League of Legends and World of Warcraft being screamed at as VIOLENT? Huh, So they didn't choose something that bathes itself in blood and guts that would have been an easy target.

Its just the newspapers jumping the bandwagon and they are either trolling us or have just assigned someone who has no idea about any of the culture involved to the story.
 

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It's true, I was playing Space Marine today and suddenly had the urge to head off to some emperor forsaken world on the edge of the Imperium and rip shit up with a thunder hammer. I hear Cadia's good for that pretty much always. Damn that violent video game.

Urgh, I'd say I expect more from the Express. Did we say it was the Express? I think we did. Anyway, I would expect more, but it's just missing the part where the whole thing could have been prevented by Diana to be exactly what I expect from them.
 

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At this point in my life I couldn't give a half a damn about what the papers say about this subject. I has been argued to death a million times by a million different newspapers and thousands of 'credable sources' on both sides, fact is: billions of people are obsessed with all types of games, another fact is: You don't see each and everyone of them in the paper about this sort of thing.

tl;dr: I don't care about that headline, TELL ME MORE ABOUT THE FREE RAIN PANCHO!
 

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Oh gosh. I know you haven't gotten any updates and are being forced to interview nobodies and repeat the same fact thousands of times news teams, but come on! Stop trying to use other stories to fill in your lack of anything interesting to say on the story.
 

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Sincendiary said:
This sounds like blaming bowling for the Columbine shooting and it'll only be taken seriously by idiots. However idiots are very loud and most people don't bother to learn the whole of any issue.

Private Custard said:
thaluikhain said:
Wandering_Hero said:
Legalise assault rifles warped american citizens.

Seriously handguns is one thing, but why the hell are ASSULT RIFLES legal? Citizens won't be carrying those around in self defence
Assault rifles are only legal in the US if they have been registered before May 1986. They are very hard to come buy.

The AR-15 is not an assault rifle. The "AR" doesn't stand for "assault rifle", it stands for Armalite, the company that makes them.


This is an AR15, the sort of rifle that was used.


This is an assault rifle, specifically a M16A4

They are very different.
Both could be classed as assault rifles*. Both are gas-operated, both use the standard nato 5.56 round. Both, when sold to the public, are limited to semi-auto and limited magazine capacity.

The fact that the AR-15 is billed as a sporting rifle doesn't alter the similarities between the two. I've seen both hung on a wall in a gun shop in New Zealand, and they even had similar price tags!

What confuses me though is that if you want to shoot a deer, why not use a 5.56mm firing weapon that's far more suited to the job, such as a Swedish Mauser 5.56 bolt-action with a decent scope?

*Yes, the M16 has a fire-select switch. But I wasn't aware that non-military peeps were allowed fully automatic weapons.
I am with you on not using an AR-15 for deer, I would prefer to use a larger round, they can bleed out for a long time (which doesn't sound like any fun for the deer), you have to walk a long way to chase it down if your shot is off, and you might even lose the bugger putting it through a lot for nothing. It's definitely accurate enough to be up for the job and scopes can be mounted on them easily. It is, however, my favorite coyote hunting weapon.

It also happens to be my home defense weapon and if you learn a little about ballistics and choose appropriate ammunition you'll find it's ideal for such a purpose.

The term assault rifle is rather a misnomer. Basically in legal terms in the United States it means the gun looks scary.

"Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device which enables the launching or firing of rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those which are mounted externally)"
It's a wikipedia quote but it's largely accurate.

Not much of this actually makes it deadlier, in fact none of it does, it just looks like a military weapon that possesses automatic fire.

However when you question the average military personnel about what they consider an assault weapon they're generally thinking of a squad automatic weapon m249/m240b. Basically something that fires full auto and has belt fed ammunition designed to produce cover fire for small unit tactics or hold a position. It's also black and scary looking so those who don't know anything about weaponry are easily persuaded that other weapons are also these weapons.



Now yes, as an American citizen you can own one of these weapons however you have to register with the ATF at rather exorbitant costs and can be prosecuted for moving without notifying them of your address change.
Wait, in the US you can own an M240B?

On topic: people are looking for a reason. That's really why this incident is so huge, that and because it happened in the US. People usually have motives for things, and no sane person would be motivated to shoot up a theater full of strangers after months of meticulous planning. And if they did, they'd either kill themselves, try to run, or commit suicide by cop, not just wait for the police to arrest them. The guy is just fucking crazy, simple as that. There is no logical reason for what he did.
 

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Oh for fuck sakes...I THOUGHT we got over this silly phase of blaming video-games for all the worlds problems. *sigh*


I'm tempted to make some form of intelligent argument about Why this whole 'video games make people evil' thing is total bullshit. However, that would imply that people who normally believe in that drivel are actually capable of intelligent thought so I'm just going to leave it at saying this.

The authors are wrong, We're right. Deal with it.
 

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Well there is a correlation between mass killers enjoying violent media, but it's akin to saying heart disease people eat a lot of fast food. Does eating a lot of fast food guarantee someone a heart attack? No, but it's certainly a risk factor.
No, no it's not like saying "heart disease people eat a lot of fast food", to draw a correlation or even call enjoyment of violent media a risk factor would be extremely ignorant. There is science backing up the correlation between eating fast food and heart disease, the correlation between violent media and mass shootings is about as relevant as saying being Muslim is a risk factor for being a terrorist or liking cartoons a risk factor for pedophilia.
 

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Its all about the narrative. The media always has to construct a fucking narrative.

Though I did note that the Sun went in a different direction with it, saying the guy was obsessed with Keeley Hazell. Fuck man, I'm obsessed with Keeley Hazell. Am I gonna go shoot up a whole load of people because of it? Hell no. The only thing Keeley Hazell is going to make me do is probably jack off more. But thats not going to hurt anyone is it?
 

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Slayer_2 said:
Sincendiary said:
This sounds like blaming bowling for the Columbine shooting and it'll only be taken seriously by idiots. However idiots are very loud and most people don't bother to learn the whole of any issue.

Private Custard said:
thaluikhain said:
Wandering_Hero said:
Legalise assault rifles warped american citizens.

Seriously handguns is one thing, but why the hell are ASSULT RIFLES legal? Citizens won't be carrying those around in self defence
Assault rifles are only legal in the US if they have been registered before May 1986. They are very hard to come buy.

The AR-15 is not an assault rifle. The "AR" doesn't stand for "assault rifle", it stands for Armalite, the company that makes them.


This is an AR15, the sort of rifle that was used.


This is an assault rifle, specifically a M16A4

They are very different.
Both could be classed as assault rifles*. Both are gas-operated, both use the standard nato 5.56 round. Both, when sold to the public, are limited to semi-auto and limited magazine capacity.

The fact that the AR-15 is billed as a sporting rifle doesn't alter the similarities between the two. I've seen both hung on a wall in a gun shop in New Zealand, and they even had similar price tags!

What confuses me though is that if you want to shoot a deer, why not use a 5.56mm firing weapon that's far more suited to the job, such as a Swedish Mauser 5.56 bolt-action with a decent scope?

*Yes, the M16 has a fire-select switch. But I wasn't aware that non-military peeps were allowed fully automatic weapons.
I am with you on not using an AR-15 for deer, I would prefer to use a larger round, they can bleed out for a long time (which doesn't sound like any fun for the deer), you have to walk a long way to chase it down if your shot is off, and you might even lose the bugger putting it through a lot for nothing. It's definitely accurate enough to be up for the job and scopes can be mounted on them easily. It is, however, my favorite coyote hunting weapon.

It also happens to be my home defense weapon and if you learn a little about ballistics and choose appropriate ammunition you'll find it's ideal for such a purpose.

The term assault rifle is rather a misnomer. Basically in legal terms in the United States it means the gun looks scary.

"Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device which enables the launching or firing of rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those which are mounted externally)"
It's a wikipedia quote but it's largely accurate.

Not much of this actually makes it deadlier, in fact none of it does, it just looks like a military weapon that possesses automatic fire.

However when you question the average military personnel about what they consider an assault weapon they're generally thinking of a squad automatic weapon m249/m240b. Basically something that fires full auto and has belt fed ammunition designed to produce cover fire for small unit tactics or hold a position. It's also black and scary looking so those who don't know anything about weaponry are easily persuaded that other weapons are also these weapons.



Now yes, as an American citizen you can own one of these weapons however you have to register with the ATF at rather exorbitant costs and can be prosecuted for moving without notifying them of your address change.
Wait, in the US you can own an M240B?
There's restrictions. As far as I know, civilians can only own fully automatic weapons made before a certain date (some time in the 80's, has to do with when a specific law was passed), and they have to fill out all sorts of paperwork, pay a ton of money, and generally be tracked by the government for the rest of their lives. Ironically enough, the people who own fully auto guns in this country are the ones least likely to go on a rampage with them, because of how thoroughly you have to be vetted before you can buy one.
 

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Wait, I thought only old people read newspapers? I don't see what we have to worry about, they'll have forgotten by lunch time.

...speaking of lunch time...