War in Iraq the Game - will it be made?

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Amethyst Wind

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Does that person speak for the whole country? I think not.
No but things are so obvious that you don't need to speak to the whole country. Like oil pipe lines. This is no secret.
And you think that those are ours? No.
Not yet anyways. And the only reason for that is that the puppet "government" that has been installed in Iraq hasn't settled yet and can't make decisions regarding trade. The moment they have that power we'll see oil prices stabilize (probably not fall due to the economic downturn, but at least the rate of increase will slow).

And don't even bother dredging up the other lies that Republicans made up for their invasion (not war, invasion), because all of these reasons are bogus:-

WMDs - They weren't found not because of poor intelligence, they weren't found because they weren't there, they never were.

Saddam's crimes against humanity - The man had been in power for 25 years, committing these atrocities and if America were so against it they'd have finished him with the FIRST Gulf War, the only reason they moved in now was because they'd enough troops close enough (in Afghanistan hunting Bin laden) to have a sizeable force to make a move on Iraq, and they were only gonna move on Iraq as American oil reserves were drying up and the middle east has a stranglehold on the market.

American foreign policy, actually most of the western world but spearheaded by America, consists of not having natural resources but having the disposable money and bodies to bully those with the resources into sharing.

Now of course I don't expect you, Darkside 360, to agree with any of what I said, because you won't. Of course you won't, you're a Republican, you think George Bush was a good president, and for that I feel kinda sorry for you.
 

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There is a huge difference between what they said the war was about and what it actually was about.

"1- Overthrow Saddam
2- End Al-Qaeda
3- WMD"

1- They dont care who is in charge of Iraq as long as they can keep their assets in Country
2- Really? Last time I checked Al-Qaeda has nothing to do with Iraq? They only came in after the invasion to insight more violence (most Iraqi's dont like Al-Qaeda, hence the tribal uprissing against them in the East of Iraq). So you are just wrong here.
3- Again this was the reason given but even the military didn't believe it. Iraq had gotten rid of the WMDs but couldn't say anything at risk of gaining Iranian ire. Now they still broke UN protocals with chemical weapons and mustard gas etc... these were still exceptable for an invasion. They also kept long range SCUDs which, in the UN restrictions, were not meant to be there (I have pictures of friends standing next to them).

Iraq is only country because the British said so... dictators are all that will succede in that part of the world but what does that say about people from the middle east? So I agree with this caviate, trying to make the lives of Iraq's better is hardly a bad thing, misguided maybe, but a bad thing?

And I have to think that most of this Terrorism issue is caused purely because poverty is so rife in these Middle Eastern NAtions that a religious teacher preaching violence is actually heard rather than abused...
Ummm.. I don't think i disagree with anything you have said? Al-Qaeda didn't have anything to do with Iraq, yet Bush claimed that Iraq is a center of training for Al-Qaeda hindering the troops in Afghanistan.

And for God's sake... Iraq didn't have any WDM, lol! There is no way they could have had anything! They didn't have the technology believe me!

And don't generalize the middle east. Iraq is different. Iraq has always been, and will always be ruled by dictators. Just take it as it is. Iraq since 1000 years was ruled by dictators.

And don't act as if USA or Britain had noble intentions please... Please don't do this... I can't buy it! At least for USA! USA's bad influence is all around the middle east! I can list to you what the USA is doing bad in Egypt specifically! So don't act as if they are doing any good to us. Their aim is pure colonization, but in a new way.

Remember in the old times? When Britain took Egypt, Iraq, Palestine? France took Syria, Lebanon, Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria? Italy took Libya? Were these dictatorships? No they weren't! But it's happening again! You people are not living with us! Right now, Israel has Palestine, USA has Iraq, and Syria is on the way! Egypt and Jordan are in the pockets of USA since the 80's. You know what? Forget about it... Whatever i say, you will fail to see anything. Because you are just not living in here. You don't know the defeat and pain and agony we live in each day, when we wake up, seeing USA's money, enforcing corruption in our country, and step by step owning parts of it.

You just don't really know.
 

MagnumJoe

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Amethyst Wind said:
Darkside360 said:
MagnumJoe said:
Darkside360 said:
Does that person speak for the whole country? I think not.
No but things are so obvious that you don't need to speak to the whole country. Like oil pipe lines. This is no secret.
And you think that those are ours? No.
Not yet anyways. And the only reason for that is that the puppet "government" that has been installed in Iraq hasn't settled yet and can't make decisions regarding trade. The moment they have that power we'll see oil prices stabilize (probably not fall due to the economic downturn, but at least the rate of increase will slow).

And don't even bother dredging up the other lies that Republicans made up for their invasion (not war, invasion), because all of these reasons are bogus:-

WMDs - They weren't found not because of poor intelligence, they weren't found because they weren't there, they never were.

Saddam's crimes against humanity - The man had been in power for 25 years, committing these atrocities and if America were so against it they'd have finished him with the FIRST Gulf War, the only reason they moved in now was because they'd enough troops close enough (in Afghanistan hunting Bin laden) to have a sizeable force to make a move on Iraq, and they were only gonna move on Iraq as American oil reserves were drying up and the middle east has a stranglehold on the market.

American foreign policy, actually most of the western world but spearheaded by America, consists of not having natural resources but having the disposable money and bodies to bully those with the resources into sharing.

Now of course I don't expect you, Darkside 360, to agree with any of what I said, because you won't. Of course you won't, you're a Republican, you think George Bush was a good president, and for that I feel kinda sorry for you.
Oh thank you, lol! Very nice post... I failed to deliver these ideas... Don't know why... Good job.
 

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We only make games for wars we win, and at this point it looks like nobody will win this war.
 

black lincon

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Darkside360 said:
MagnumJoe said:
Darkside360 said:
Does that person speak for the whole country? I think not.
No but things are so obvious that you don't need to speak to the whole country. Like oil pipe lines. This is no secret.
And you think that those are ours? No.
Dark, I know what you mean, and in a certain sense your right. When we fought the Iraqis army we completely wiped the floor, they had no chance, we won hands down. And then when we started to fight the insurgents who were in the country, we've seen mixed results. the Iraqis government has gotten stronger, and I'm willing to believe they're pretty close to being able to take over themselves.

However, the whole thing about oil has some merit. One of the reasons we went into that country was to stabilize the region, one of the things that stabilizing the region would affect are oil prices, right? whether or not we succeeded in stabilizing the region as a whole, the attempt was to stabilize the region and thereby reduce the oil prices, something the bush white house would have loved being able to claim to have done, no?

Also, please don't say we got rid of the insurgents, we haven't done that yet, just take a look at Mosul, were not really all that close to pacifying that region yet. Also, I'm willing to believe that the US government as a whole hasn't been the nicest to the nations of the middle east, we've probably done things that have pissed them off, a large group of people don't hate the US for no reason whatsoever, however I wouldn't believe things like the US government is completely controlling the Egyptian government(like Joe seems to believe).

The whole middle east thing is complex, there's no one reason that we did anything and most of the conflict, specifically with the Taliban, occurred because of things we did during the cold war. I'll be the first to say that I don't believe we should have deposed Saddam for things he might do, however we did, and as a result of that we've wound up with a very complex situation including several large groups that hate us, several of those groups being armed and ready to kill themselves, and every side has valid points. But the worst thing you can do is simply ignore everything he says and blow it all off as propaganda. Is the US government controlling the Egyptian government? No, but are they at least trying to influence them for a gain? I don't know if I would put something like that past some of the shadier members of the CIA.
 

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i think that ppl have made enough money off of others pain sooo i hope not. plus im sure ppl from the 40s would be disgusted by the constant flow of WW2 games as many of us would by a game like this
 

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I think they would possibly make a game like that, but maybe more from a fallout/sandbox environment perspective. lets say, we have a kid who watches his family die, grows up, gets gun, etc.. could be cool depending on how they structure it
 

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black lincon said:
however I wouldn't believe things like the US government is completely controlling the Egyptian government(like Joe seems to believe).

The whole middle east thing is complex, there's no one reason that we did anything and most of the conflict, specifically with the Taliban, occurred because of things we did during the cold war. I'll be the first to say that I don't believe we should have deposed Saddam for things he might do, however we did, and as a result of that we've wound up with a very complex situation including several large groups that hate us, several of those groups being armed and ready to kill themselves, and every side has valid points. But the worst thing you can do is simply ignore everything he says and blow it all off as propaganda. Is the US government controlling the Egyptian government? No, but are they at least trying to influence them for a gain? I don't know if I would put something like that past some of the shadier members of the CIA.
Collin, no no no, lol. The control is public. Pacts, treaties, deals are forced, or else...! All things i have stated are FACTS, that we read about every morning in the newspaper! Everyday!

Seriously, you want to know all about it, come live here for a while. I am an Egyptian man! And We are living this nightmare everyday! So you can't just say, that what i believe is not true. Simply because all the 80 million Egyptians KNOW so, not just "believe" so.
 

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MagnumJoe said:
black lincon said:
however I wouldn't believe things like the US government is completely controlling the Egyptian government(like Joe seems to believe).

The whole middle east thing is complex, there's no one reason that we did anything and most of the conflict, specifically with the Taliban, occurred because of things we did during the cold war. I'll be the first to say that I don't believe we should have deposed Saddam for things he might do, however we did, and as a result of that we've wound up with a very complex situation including several large groups that hate us, several of those groups being armed and ready to kill themselves, and every side has valid points. But the worst thing you can do is simply ignore everything he says and blow it all off as propaganda. Is the US government controlling the Egyptian government? No, but are they at least trying to influence them for a gain? I don't know if I would put something like that past some of the shadier members of the CIA.
Collin, no no no, lol. The control is public. I can guarantee you this. Pacts, treaties, deals are forced, or else...!

Seriously, you want to know all about it, come live here for a while. I am an Egyptian man! And We are living this nightmare everyday! So you can't just say, that what i believe is not true. Simply because all the 80 million Egyptians KNOW so, not just "believe" so.
I already know your Egyptian, I check peoples profiles, however I'm willing to believe that your exaggerating it. Your doing what both democrats and republicans do in the US, exaggerating issues to make it seem like the side you don't like is evil. Putting it simply your dehumanizing the other side so you can make them more hateable, make it forgivable to attack them personally. if I preface an insult with the time someone raped a pig, or something equally dehumanizing people don't care as much as if I simply insult them. If you say that the US gov is controlling the Egyptian gov it's easier to then say that they need to be removed from the area, you have better standing to make that claim when the people your trying to get out are seen as monsters.

Also, why use my name? I know I put it in my profile But I guess it's just a bit odd Youssef(see what I mean? Odd).
 

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Sparrow Tag said:
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Strong Intelligent said:
America will consider it a "tradegy" and not do it.

Also it wasn't a war, it was a scuffle.
This.
This.

Also, Its more likely that a FPS based on Columbine would be made.
I would play that game...
I would to thinking about it, But no company would do it. Except maybe EA, they're going down anyway.
 

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Wouldukindly said:
If anyone actually agrees to help with 'Six Days in Fallujah' you'll end up with an Iraq war game, and one that is probably going to be more then simple run-and-gun action.
yeah there having problems with the production because some democrats don't want it to come out
 

MagnumJoe

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I already know your Egyptian, I check peoples profiles, however I'm willing to believe that your exaggerating it. Your doing what both democrats and republicans do in the US, exaggerating issues to make it seem like the side you don't like is evil. Putting it simply your dehumanizing the other side so you can make them more hateable, make it forgivable to attack them personally. if I preface an insult with the time someone raped a pig, or something equally dehumanizing people don't care as much as if I simply insult them. If you say that the US gov is controlling the Egyptian gov it's easier to then say that they need to be removed from the area, you have better standing to make that claim when the people your trying to get out are seen as monsters.

Also, why use my name? I know I put it in my profile But I guess it's just a bit odd Youssef(see what I mean? Odd).
Ok ok sorry, but frankly i don't think it's odd, i don't mind you calling me with my name really. Be my guest. It removes all barriers and makes me feel closer to you, and makes me feel more of a friend, not just a forum member.

And.. Sorry to say this, but you are not in any position to judge what i am saying. What do you know about Egypt? What do you know about Egypt's history with USA? What do you know about continuous economic direction like a train by the USA? You do not have info! Do you have any information? No you don't! You are not in a position to even go in a discussion with me about that subject! What do you know about Egyptian politics or economy? You read some American analyst's point of view! Which might be biased!

I am not exaggerating about anything. Because it's "Public"! PUBLIC! Ask anyone in Egypt: Is USA controlling Egypt? His answer would be "Of course it does! Didn't you see how they forced a natural gas transaction with Israel for a price less than for Egyptians for 20 years onwards? Didn't you see, that NO-ONE can enter with his car in the neighborhood where the us embassy is situated? And all people living there can't use their cars in the streets nearby? In a radius of 300 meters around the embassy's 'WALL'?"

Did you know that the loans we are taking from USA, are paid back in the form of ASSETS from the government and Egyptian land? These are FACTS! Not speculations! Did you know that we were forced to enter in a business deal with Israel to buy their goods more than other countries in the area? You have no idea what your government is doing!

And here is the surprise. To Egypt, It doesn't make a difference whether your president is a democrat or a republican. They all have the same agenda. Come to think of it, it doesn't make a difference even for you! You know why? Because US government really doesn't care about Americans. You are easy to be dealt with. All what it cares about is the safety of Israel, and the control over the area. anything else is secondary. This is what we see from USA.

I didn't understand, which party needs to be removed? USA, or Egypt But anyway, we can't remove USA because it's there by economic blackmailing, and it does it by bribing our governments, and giving them power over their people so that we can't object on any of the above. So either way, it's a dead end. You seriously have no idea what's happening in the world. You think Egypt's regime is better than Saddam's? No! Voting is forged, only one party rules all the way, corruption is spread, if you are with this party, you win, if you are not, even if you are honest and good, you lose! Lose everything in your life, including your life maybe! and USA loves it! Because it has all wants from Egypt. Israel protection! The people doesn't want it, but the government doesn't care except about themselves: ok, keep the government, and on the way take control of the nation! Mubarak is an American puppet! Again these are facts, not speculations.

And you are still measuring my life, and my opinions by your standards of political understanding. This is a very big mistake. Forget all what you have known in your life about your government and politics if you are willing to know what is happening in here. And reading newspapers, watching TV, or documentaries, won't make you learn anything. You don't have access to any of the info i am saying. The only thing you can do is live in Egypt, and read the newspapers we read, and watch how our officials fumble with their lies on TV about the so called "sovereignty" of Egypt, and that it's a country of free will. While obviously it's not. And we can't interrogate them, we can't object, we just watch while nodding our heads in despair.

And... Yes USA is Evil to us. Very Freaking evil! Sad, but very true. Whatever i will say, you won't believe me, i know. Because you think i am just saying anything to frame the innocent beloved USA government. But if you asked ANYONE in Egypt, any Egyptian, he will tell you the same! Same everything. Egyptian government, economy, politics and will, is controlled by US government, through bribes and economic blackmailing.

Please don't tell me that i am exaggerating. I gave you a glimpse of the facts. If you still think i am exaggerating, ask someone else please. And you will in turn discover that all Egyptians think like me. And you accuse them of exaggeration too i guess lol.

And i don't want to talk about this again, because it makes me sick!
 

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MagnumJoe said:
And you are still measuring my life, and my opinions by your standards of political understanding. This is a very big mistake. Forget all what you have known in your life about your government and politics if you are willing to know what is happening in here. And reading newspapers, watching TV, or documentaries, won't make you learn anything. You don't have access to any of the info i am saying. The only thing you can do is live in Egypt, and read the newspapers we read, and watch how our officials fumble with their lies on TV about the so called "sovereignty" of Egypt, and that it's a country of free will. While obviously it's not. And we can't interrogate them, we can't object, we just watch while nodding our heads in despair.
I'm sorry if you don't want to talk about this, but this specific paragraph left me with a question.

If your government is so corrupt and information-controlling. How come you're able to read the truth in newspapers? I mean I don't know how it is in Egypt, but in Norway the government can shut the mouth of any official media. Can the government in Egypt only control what the television says rather than newspapers? Does newspapers have its own right to write whatever it like opposed to television channels?

On topic.
Uh, yeah. To all of you who asked me if I had not played those games (COD4, Desert Storm). No .. No, I have not played them. In fact, I stated in the very OP that I were a bit behind. And letely (the past year or so) I've been pretty much working on the vessel. With limitied internet speed, thus making it hard for me to look up gaming news, unless there's something specific I'm looing for. Others I just don't have the patient to wait ten minutes for the main page to even load, since I'm not guaranteed something interesting to read about. So no. No I have not played these games

But then again. These games use cover ups. World War 2 and Vietnam didn't. I'm asking if anyone would make games uncovered, and follow the actual storyline of this. And as so many have said, it seems as they will not. Protesters will be everywhere. At least in America it seems. Do you guys think they would take greater actions if say a European company would make said game?
 

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Daye.04 said:
I'm sorry if you don't want to talk about this, but this specific paragraph left me with a question.

If your government is so corrupt and information-controlling. How come you're able to read the truth in newspapers? I mean I don't know how it is in Egypt, but in Norway the government can shut the mouth of any official media. Can the government in Egypt only control what the television says rather than newspapers? Does newspapers have its own right to write whatever it like opposed to television channels?
Very good question.

Right now, it's war. About 10 years ago, Egypt didn't have any independent newspapers nor channels. All government funded. And i can tell you, we didn't know all these problems back then! However, people who wanted to make independent newspapers and channels were fighting since 15 years, and didn't succeed until 10 years ago.

Right now, many newspaper, who are not government funded, try to let the truth out. And many times, their editors got jailed, for just saying the truth. But since some judges who are not corrupt are starting to surface, so they escape the claws of the government.

And still, some people start investigating things, then they are jailed. Or bribed to shut up, or threatened.

Right now, the people of Egypt, and some parts of the media, are fighting with the government and their media.
 

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There is already a game on war in Iraq. It's called Insurgency (free source mod on steam)