Wyatt:
A couple of comments:
1. I am aware that WH 40k has singularity based weapons, however they are a lost science and exist in extremely limited quanitities. During the whole "Soul Drinkers" thing one was used and they talked about them.
The thing is that using one of those you could take out *A* ship assuming you didn't miss, but then it's gone and your pretty much still looking at the same overall situation. It's something that would occur on such a limited scale that I don't think it would be a factor overall.
What's more you enter into the entire question of the "proud to be ignorant" mentality of Warhammer 40k, compared to the guys in Star Wars. If Star Wars ever captured a singularity weapon they could probably start making their own.
Also if your bringing out fairly "minor" things like that, you can start getting into crud like sun smashers (I don't read Star Wars books for the most part but people talk about them), and the various singularly powerful artifacts floating around out there like "The Star Forge" from the Knights Of The Old Republic game (this WAS taken out of the equasion, but the point is that there is a bunch of overpowered ancient technology floating around in Star Wars as well, probably because of the cyclical nature of the universe). Heck in one of the Timothy Zahn books (that I actually did read) I believe Emperor Papaltine had functional clones of Jedi Masters guarding his personal vault.
2. The thing about Honor Harrington missles/weapons is the whole "Impeller Wedge" factor, which like the whole WH40k/Star Wars debate gets into diametrically opposed concepts of how star flight works.
Yes, Laser Clusers and Nuclear Bombs are not going to do much to a Star Trek Shield. But then again these missles are intended to smash through impenetrable "shields" by generating their own and only detonate afterwards.
As such I would think a missle generating an impeller wedge would smash through a Star Trek Shield just like it would a sidewall and then detonate on the other side. Given the durability of Star Trek building materials one of these would probably not do the trick, but how many thousands do they usually launch at once?
As they even point out, really the nukes and laser clusters are tertiary to the kinetic impact of being hit by something going that fast.
I mentioned them as an example because they are pretty much going to punch through any kind of shielding you can imagine.
But as I said, there is a way to trump anything:
There is a long running Anime character called "Captain Harlock" who has had books and everything else written about him. He and his friends (like Emeraldas) pilot these uber ships that smash fleets and are basically unkillable. This is because ther shields seem to be defined as one directional transdimensional portals, so anything that hits the shields winds up simply going somewhere else (while effectively only existing from the incoming direction so these ships can shoot out).
But then again these guys also have handweapons that fire singularities into people (Emeraldas used one in one of her anime spinoffs) so really we're dealing with a truely obscene level of power.
I'm hardly the biggest expert/fan but given the amount of time this universe has been kept alive through numerous permutations, obviously there have been things to challenge the characters.
I can also think of things even more obnoxious, but again I'm highlighting the point that there is always something bigger.
If you follow things to the logical extreme science fiction has featured beings that are defined as being truely omnipotent, and if you follow these debates all the way to the max you basically wind up at a point where it's impossible for a conflict to truely exist because both sides can literally do anything.
You know like "Who would win a fight between Star Trek's Q Continuum, and Stargate's Ascended Ancients". Granted neither of those are truely omnipotent, but that's not the point. Who could answer that, and furthermore why would anyone care? >
At any rate I've said enough, I will probably withdraw from this one. Nothing is going to be resolved.
I might however return as a spectator if someone decides to start "Dragonball Z vs. Warhammer 40k". The contest is absolutly absurd, but the true amusement value would be seeing the rabid, unreasoning fanboyism unleashed by both sides. >
Here while I won't be involved beyond this: Dragonball Z wins because the Lords Of Chaos are no tougher than your typical seasonal Dragonball Z enemy. Goku would eventually train and pwn them all. I say this having only seen part of an episode of Dragonaall Z and otherwise listening to Fanboys (not my kind of Anime).
Warhammer 40k Fans: Refute this
DBZ Fans: Educate the Warhammer 40k Fans with the "awesome" that is Goku!
((( Runs for the Hills )))
