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Necrons, nothing is more forgiving than T4 3+ armor save and we will be back, that or Nurgle space marines T5 3+ armor save and 4+ feel no pain, only real difference is that there are WAY more Necrons available(meaning that they are cheaper points wise) so you won't wipe out when someone makes you fail a dozen or so feel no pains.
I've always thought the Tyranids were a forgiving army if you field a balanced force of some fast meat shields...I mean Gaunts, some Genestealers, a 'Fex, a Tyrant, some more Synapse and then whatever you want. It's really hard to beat that general force in my experience, because any one of those threats, if not obliterated before CC, could win the day. Even the meat shields.
While they do require tactics, once you've gotten those tactics down this army seems to run itself. Gaunts running for the nearest targets. 'Stealers close behind. Monstrous creatures and support monsters bearing down while firing off their bioweapons.
While they do require tactics, once you've gotten those tactics down this army seems to run itself. Gaunts running for the nearest targets. 'Stealers close behind. Monstrous creatures and support monsters bearing down while firing off their bioweapons.
Speed freeks are pretty good. Imagine having the speed of a dark eldar and the melee abilities of an ork. Also, bikes are counted as troop choices
The application of a well-placed demolisher cannon or demolition charge can solve most problems in 40K... and if not, there's always more were that came from!
you know the entire point of DE is to rip the living hell out of power amour right?j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Me? i play Tyranids, millions of them!!!, and i swear im the only player to do so in a 50Km radius, so its fun to have a player come fresh from battling other space marines... eldar or guardsman... and then to say "i've never played against nids before... what are they like?"
"let me show you" i say, having a private ecstasy at the thought of an opponent with no concept of anti-assault firing doctrine.
Apocalypse is so much fun when you watch their pupils widen, and their souls shrink as you reach for yet another carry-case of gaunts... ahahAhahAHHAhHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
Bolter, sir? The you are doubtless approaching this the wrong way around. Given the Dark Eldar's sheer speed, your goal should be that your transport-borne troops should land, dismebark and assault on the same turn BEFORE any shooting comes to play.
As for the rhino- it is the single most pathetic armoured vehicle in the 40K universe. No guns, crappy armour and cannot move through terrain. The only vehicle more vulnerable is the Cyclops, and that's bloody designed to blow up.
As for the rhino- it is the single most pathetic armoured vehicle in the 40K universe. No guns, crappy armour and cannot move through terrain. The only vehicle more vulnerable is the Cyclops, and that's bloody designed to blow up.
Clearly you've forgotten Trukks. Armour 10 and open-topped? Hell, Raiders are about the same. But I'll actually say that in my book the Chimera is the worst vehicle. It has weapons and is a bit (emphasis bit) tougher, but the points cost is way too much for what you're getting.Fondant said:
You may not have encountered massed Chimeras. *A* Chimera isn't much of a threat, but four of them with pintle-mounted Heavy Stubbers are throwing 36 dice per turn at your infantry... and 12 of those dice work well against transports. (24 if we're talking Trukks.) Mechanised Guard are sneered at at your own risk.Saskwach said:
As a Tau player I do eye Trukks and Raiders with a healthy respect, even if they're vulnerable to my rifle fire, and I do have a fondness for my Devilfishes.
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Bretonnians and Dark Elves for Fantasy
Thinking about starting some Fallen Angels for 40k but dont have any money...
Bretonnians and Dark Elves for Fantasy
Thinking about starting some Fallen Angels for 40k but dont have any money...
I don't want to hear it the Tau devilfish is the 2nd toughest troop transport in the game, but its guns suck (all 18 inch range) and it is 80 points, the rhino has my vote for most worthless piece of crap transport, since Tau basic rifles can bring down an entire rhino charge before it can start. Hehe I made someone quit before they even got to go doing that.Saskwach said:
Clearly demonstarting that the Tau need taking down a notch in game terms.
Trukks fail to suck, because they are cheap and fast. The rhino sucks because it's a chimera without any guns.
Trukks fail to suck, because they are cheap and fast. The rhino sucks because it's a chimera without any guns.
The chimera has different and better armor than a rhino, just don't get shot on the side
The devilfish can only transport fire warriors and pathfinders two things that only want to move to stand on objectives and even then are better off waiting until turn 4+ to do that
The Tau army is really easy to beat unless you are playing against a guy with stupifying amounts of experience like myself, because it is a finesse army, the only one that requires more finesse is the army with the toughest transport in the game: Eldar, who own a transport harder to kill than a landraider.
Pulse rifles can't kill Chimeras on the front but they can rhinos, however Necrons can kill anything on the front, period. Everyone but the imperial guard and dark eldar armies can blow up a chimera on the side arc with their basic rifles
The devilfish can only transport fire warriors and pathfinders two things that only want to move to stand on objectives and even then are better off waiting until turn 4+ to do that
The Tau army is really easy to beat unless you are playing against a guy with stupifying amounts of experience like myself, because it is a finesse army, the only one that requires more finesse is the army with the toughest transport in the game: Eldar, who own a transport harder to kill than a landraider.
Pulse rifles can't kill Chimeras on the front but they can rhinos, however Necrons can kill anything on the front, period. Everyone but the imperial guard and dark eldar armies can blow up a chimera on the side arc with their basic rifles
I played warhammer, once, until I realized that it favored people who spend more money, like all collectable games. It's self perpetuating too, as all my friends had $500+ armies and wouldn't play low point games against my $150 army, because they had to justify that money spent, why play a game where you can't use your $70 tank? or your $50 Broad Side...
So hence I now... HATE Warhammer, like I hate Magic and any other collectable game more based on money than skill.
Oh, I also don't like Warhammer 40k's rules...
Hey Warhammer creators... do you know why nobody uses swords in war anymore? Why they stopped using them around the time Guns became reliable enough for mass use? It's because when you charge a bunch of guys with guns... YOU GET SHOT! Unlike in 40k where any Melee Army will destroy a ranged army as soon as they get within charging range.
So hence I now... HATE Warhammer, like I hate Magic and any other collectable game more based on money than skill.
Oh, I also don't like Warhammer 40k's rules...
Hey Warhammer creators... do you know why nobody uses swords in war anymore? Why they stopped using them around the time Guns became reliable enough for mass use? It's because when you charge a bunch of guys with guns... YOU GET SHOT! Unlike in 40k where any Melee Army will destroy a ranged army as soon as they get within charging range.
That's dumb....I may have spent over $2k on my army but I will not refuse to play anyone just because they have a smaller army, I bought such a massive army so I would have options, like being able to play in one of my shops many Mega-Battles which we do whenever someone is leaving or coming back or whenever we have this crazy desire to field alot of our stuff.
Don't try to bring realism into 40k, it isn't Realhammer for a reason, were that universe to go forward in time it would fall apart instantly. When you bring realism into 40k you find that for being set 38,000+ years from now their guns are short ranged and inaccurate, their tanks have paper thin armor, and are slow as hell, Furthermore, the Avatar of Khaine is a walking slab of molten metal and is invulnerable to flamers, heavy flamers and melta weapons, but not plasma weapons or inferno cannons (the heavy flamers big brother) please note that most melta weapons are more powerful than any other gun previously mentioned, the ones that aren't don't work.
Don't try to bring realism into 40k, it isn't Realhammer for a reason, were that universe to go forward in time it would fall apart instantly. When you bring realism into 40k you find that for being set 38,000+ years from now their guns are short ranged and inaccurate, their tanks have paper thin armor, and are slow as hell, Furthermore, the Avatar of Khaine is a walking slab of molten metal and is invulnerable to flamers, heavy flamers and melta weapons, but not plasma weapons or inferno cannons (the heavy flamers big brother) please note that most melta weapons are more powerful than any other gun previously mentioned, the ones that aren't don't work.
Yeah, I probably just played with the wrong people but it really killed miniature wargaming for me, I was also "bought" out of playing Magic by the same people so now I just stick to Pen and Paper RPG's.
I'll take your opinions on the combat but I feel that Warhammer 40k is weighted unfairly in favor of Close Range Tactics as pretty much any Close Range Army can annihillate any long range one without much difficulty once they get close enough.
I'll take your opinions on the combat but I feel that Warhammer 40k is weighted unfairly in favor of Close Range Tactics as pretty much any Close Range Army can annihillate any long range one without much difficulty once they get close enough.
As ghastly as your post is, I shall reply to you.PedroSteckecilo said:
Yes, you needto spend a great deal. The purpose of this is to prevent the working classes from overunning our games and stealing everything we neglect to nail to the floor. And as a member of the working classes, I agree with that- too many of us are habitual thugs and criminals, which I blame on
-Rap music
-Immigrants
-Maragret Thatcher.
Also, the whole idea is that 'this is the motherfucking future'. While you clearly have little undertsanding of a great deal of military history, I shall explain this to you- Guns are a recent invention. It was only one hundred years ago that it became impractical to charge across an open battlefield and mete out merry hell at the end of a lance/sabre/club with nails in, and clearly the universe of warhammer 40,000 is no different. Certain units can charge across no-mans land and beat the cack out of their enemies, and certain units can not. While the system is unrealistic, it is unrealistic because games that conisit of sitting at the rear and blasting away at your enemies get boring.
If you want an army that can't assault, get the imperial guard. or even better, the tau- they're even worse fighters than we are!
Also- in modern warfare, close assault is still required to take fortified or concealed posisitons, so it's not as unreal as would be expected.
The challenge is to make sure that they can't, and to have a plan for if they do, once my HQ (Tau army, so I have the melee proficiency of a 2 year old with one arm) got charged by a Hive Tyrant, my response was to charge it with the 24 fire warriors and 8 pathfinders I had within range, suffice to say a bunch of attacks later there was one very dead Hive Tyrant. Later on I decided to start using kroot to handle swift armies like Orcs, just leave them in the back and let the enemy come to me through a hail of firepower.