I'm glad you didn't think it was bad, a word of warning, don't try to analyse it or bring logic into it, you will drive yourself mad.
Was Mass Effect 3's really that bad? (SPOILERS)
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Closure? I saw no closure. Just many new and unanswered questions, the most irritating one being what happens to the gigantic fleet of various Alien species now stranded on a scorched and ruined earth.
I can't let this go. ME3's ending was definitely worse than DXHR.mister_redgrave said:
- Eliza is a better realized character than the Starchild.
- Eliza is using her pre-established ability to manipulate and distribute information, vs us unexplained multicolored space magic.
- There aren't any obvious plotholes to back fill, like Joker fleeing the final battle or something.
- While they try to do too much, they at least let the player resolve Adam's feelings about his own augmentation. Which is actually something they introduce at the start of the game.
- No one has needed or had reason to make up an indoctrination theory for DXHR.
They aren't good endings. They're abrupt and lack nuance. But worse than ME3's nonsense followed by plot hole? How?
Meh, it had a lot of problems beyond just the ending I thought.
It was still a good game, but by virtue of just being merely "good" it is easily the weakest installment in the trilogy, in my humble opinion.
It was still a good game, but by virtue of just being merely "good" it is easily the weakest installment in the trilogy, in my humble opinion.
It did, but they were scraped knees and broken fingernails and stubbed toes, and the ending was a gut-shot with an elephant gun.RatRace123 said:
I thought ME3 was a bloody brilliant game I've played it through three times start to finish and chosen each each ending.
Definatly an excellent game but it gets a bit crap at the end my favourite ending was red and blue was by far the worst.
I can only complain so much because I did what I wanted to do and destroyed the reapers and the build up was excellent.
Definatly an excellent game but it gets a bit crap at the end my favourite ending was red and blue was by far the worst.
I can only complain so much because I did what I wanted to do and destroyed the reapers and the build up was excellent.
KarmaTheAlligator said:
Of course you can think about the ending what you want, it's subjective what you think about it.mister_redgrave said:
But maybe one reason why you didn't feel as bad as many others about the ending is that you expected a horrible ending and so the ending wasn't as disappointing to you as it was to many others.
ME3 was one of the best games I'd ever played right up until... that.
What I like about it:
-It effectively ends the series, which I very much appreciate as an attempt to both provide an absolute conclusion as well as to prevent Mass Effect reaching Star Wars levels of cash cow milking
-There's no happy sunshine and rainbows ending; It's impossible to save everyone, a theme that satisfied my grimdark gland
-Indoctrination theory
What I absolutely despise about it
-Starchild shows up 5 minutes before the end to explain (and ruin) the entire plot. Why did we need to learn the reaper's motivations, anyway? Sovereign told us that their goals are unknowable or something; they should have just rolled with that, I think.
-aforementioned red/green/blue-ness
-Bioware's unwillingness to admit that they fucked up
For awhile I found myself unable to enjoy any of the mass effect games because that ending was so terrible, but luckily I've since gotten over it. Yeah, the ending DLC is probably going to be even worse, but the rest of the game (not to mention the rest of the series) is still worthy of praise. Also, before anyone accuses me of being a whiny bandwagon-jumper, I'm only saying any of this because the OP asked.
What I like about it:
-It effectively ends the series, which I very much appreciate as an attempt to both provide an absolute conclusion as well as to prevent Mass Effect reaching Star Wars levels of cash cow milking
-There's no happy sunshine and rainbows ending; It's impossible to save everyone, a theme that satisfied my grimdark gland
-Indoctrination theory
What I absolutely despise about it
-Starchild shows up 5 minutes before the end to explain (and ruin) the entire plot. Why did we need to learn the reaper's motivations, anyway? Sovereign told us that their goals are unknowable or something; they should have just rolled with that, I think.
-aforementioned red/green/blue-ness
-Bioware's unwillingness to admit that they fucked up
For awhile I found myself unable to enjoy any of the mass effect games because that ending was so terrible, but luckily I've since gotten over it. Yeah, the ending DLC is probably going to be even worse, but the rest of the game (not to mention the rest of the series) is still worthy of praise. Also, before anyone accuses me of being a whiny bandwagon-jumper, I'm only saying any of this because the OP asked.
Agree with everyone else on the lack of closure - that kills the ending for me. The general lack of differentiation between endings I could live with, I'd be okay with just a single ending, as long as it was a good ending, but it did almost nothing to resolve what happened to Earth, other races, squadmates, etc. after your choice.
And while we're venting over the ending - I'm annoyed that apparently I need to play multiplayer to get a decent/better ending. That's not what I wanted to do when I got ME3. Maybe I did something horrendously wrong somewhere along the game, but I'm going into the Cerberus base mission with ~2300 Effective Military, far short of what's needed for better endings based on what the Internet tells me. I've probably found less than 20% of scannable things on planets, but those don't seem to provide enough of a boost, and they're an enormous pain in the ass to find.
And while we're venting over the ending - I'm annoyed that apparently I need to play multiplayer to get a decent/better ending. That's not what I wanted to do when I got ME3. Maybe I did something horrendously wrong somewhere along the game, but I'm going into the Cerberus base mission with ~2300 Effective Military, far short of what's needed for better endings based on what the Internet tells me. I've probably found less than 20% of scannable things on planets, but those don't seem to provide enough of a boost, and they're an enormous pain in the ass to find.
The rest of the game was really good until I got to the ending. Then I got over it and played the incredibly fun multiplayer.
In a nutshell, it basically reduced all the choices you had made throughout the trilogy into a "pick you're favourite of the 3" decision, and didn't even provide closure on that account.
It retro actively destroyed the curiosity of replaying all the games and choosing a different path, since in the end you only get 3 choices.
I don't mind people liking the ending, but I have yet to hear any constructive criticism why.
It retro actively destroyed the curiosity of replaying all the games and choosing a different path, since in the end you only get 3 choices.
I don't mind people liking the ending, but I have yet to hear any constructive criticism why.
There's the whole "synthetics will always kill organics so I decided to create synthetics that kill organics and use their liquified bodies to create more synthetics, so that they won't be killed by synthetics" and no... no matter how you decide to twist that around it will never sound any less stupid or nonsensical.Jaeke said:
Then there's "you will control us but you will die and lose everything you have"
Bioware in order for something to exercise control over something else, that something has to exist and be self concious in some way shape or form.
Oh and then there's synthetis, "organic and synthetic life will be combined in a new DNA"
So... Synthetics have DNA? is that what you're saying? Genetics don't work that way, it is phisically impossible for someone or something to have synthetic or artificial components in their DNA, it always has been and it always will be.
And one thing that's bothered me for a while that no one seems to mention:
Let's say for a second that it's true that synthetics will always rebel against organics; just for the sake of argument.
If it's true then how do any of the options the catalyst gives you solve this problem?
Destroy doesn't do anything, it just delays it.
Control makes the Reapers go away, but I don't see how that stops future generations from creating new synthetics and starting everything all over again. You could say that Shepard could use the Reapers to wipe out any synthetics that threat to do so, but if it was that simple then why didn't the Reapers do that instead of wiping out organics?
Synthetis.... Oh synthetis. What exactly does merging all synthetic and organic life do to stop this problem? If I merged all the human races on Earth (Caucasian, Black, Asian...) in one race, do you think that somehow all racially related violence would just go away?
Do you think that somehow merging the 2 different DNA's will stop the quest for technologial advancement?
I'm going to stop here, I have more but I'm really not intrested in getting frustrated again.
And I probably put more thought about the ending in this post than whoever at Bioware wrote this.
I just turned down the difficulty so I wouldn't have to hide behind cover all the time. Then I disabled health regeneration via coalesced modding to force myself to actually use medigels. There. Few simple tweaks that made ME2 and ME3 into ME1 with better combat and without the Mako.Kungfu_Teddybear said:
Awesome game without the ending.
With the ending? Still awesome but left me disappointed because I expected more from Bioware as the ending wasn't bad, just satisfactory. As it was an ending to a great series I expected something more than satisfactory. Hell it deserved something better.
With the ending? Still awesome but left me disappointed because I expected more from Bioware as the ending wasn't bad, just satisfactory. As it was an ending to a great series I expected something more than satisfactory. Hell it deserved something better.
Have you heard of the Indoctrination Theory. It's a theory that the last moments (Harbinger shooting you to the end) are actually a finally last ditch indoctrination attempt by Harbinger. Well if you're a believer of the Indoctrination Theory, you messed up in your ending. There has been a lot of information for or against.
There is actually a good video that brings up all the evidence and examines it pretty well. Another forum person brought it up here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.374488-Mass-Effect-3-Indoctrination-theory-new-and-extended?page=1
If you just want to watch the video here that is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caAqFFhBn2U
See what you think.
There is actually a good video that brings up all the evidence and examines it pretty well. Another forum person brought it up here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.374488-Mass-Effect-3-Indoctrination-theory-new-and-extended?page=1
If you just want to watch the video here that is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caAqFFhBn2U
See what you think.
I seem to remember Sovereign saying something along the line of "our existence is beyond your comprehension". Ominous words from a supreme being. Good show!Saladfork said:
Then that little star-twerp comes along and says,"Oh yeah, they're just random killing machines that I made so your own machines don't kill you." Way to deflate the sense of Lovecraftian threat out that menace, Bioware.
I'd have to disagree with your original point, I don't think it provided any closure at all. We're left with very little idea about what happened to the galaxy.mister_redgrave said:
And if something can be compared to the human revolution endings, then it is a terrible, terrible thing. The endings were the worst part of human revolution. None of them provided any form of closure, they basically left the gamer with nothing more than some completely out of place monologues by Jensen. Sure the original deus ex endings could have been better, but at least it wasn't a choice between buttons 1, 2, 3 and 4.
If there was closure . the EC would not be needed.
the First 99% of mass effect 3 was brilliant enough that you could forgive the minor flaws along the way.
but as stated many times .
no closure.
ambiguity
Think of it as your eating a subway sandwich it's the best one you have ever had. but in the last bite there is a smear of feces on the bread to ruin a other wise great experience.
that is how a lot of us feel
the First 99% of mass effect 3 was brilliant enough that you could forgive the minor flaws along the way.
but as stated many times .
no closure.
ambiguity
Think of it as your eating a subway sandwich it's the best one you have ever had. but in the last bite there is a smear of feces on the bread to ruin a other wise great experience.
that is how a lot of us feel