Was Mass Effect 3's really that bad? (SPOILERS)
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Well I can tell you that. They all died. If they went to earth they can't get home, if they were at colonies or home planets they couldn't survive cut off or they perished when the world ran out of resources.Zhukov said:
-^ that is one of my reasons it is shitty
-plot holes: Why was Joker leaving? He always pulls you ass out of the fire, ALWAYS!
-It didn't fit the theme of the game: Mass Effect isn't Battle Star Glactica, it isn't about synthetics vs. organics.
-It doesn't make sense why the Mass Effect Relays had to blow up
-a lot of other stuff I can't think of right now
I hated that framing device too, as I took it to mean the entire three games never really happened and all of it was just that old guy making shit up to tell his grand kid.Loken321 said:
Which would of been fine... if Mass Effect 1 opened up that.
I'd argue there is closer in the bad-destroy ending. My Shepard was renegade that wanted to bring peace to the galazy at any cost. With everyone dead? Universe finally has peace.
For me, yes, the ending for ME3 was really bad. However as a game goes, it greatly improved over ME1 and ME2. If it wasn't for the last 10 minutes it'd be perfect.
I played through every single bit of content Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 had, and it was all fantastic. I spent hours upon hours in ME1 and ME2 crafting different saves with different outcomes, so that when ME3 came I could play through it with each of those saves, check out all the different endings, and see how everything played out different. Then I was just drawing towards the close of ME3, and killed that last Marauder Then shit went downhill, I uninstalled the game and played the Witcher instead.
No, it wasn't really that bad. I thought it was a brilliant ending, BECAUSE it didn't tell you what had happened. It let me fill in the rest, because, you know, it was my Shepherd, that's why I loved it. When I got to the end, my mind was racing with everything that happened, and I smiled. I grinned like a mad man and instantly my next thought was, "Let's do that again. That was the best experience I've ever had from a game, now let's do it again, but differently."
I'm now playing from the start of Mass Effect 2 again with my FemShep, just in time for the Extended Cut, which will make it even better.
I'm now playing from the start of Mass Effect 2 again with my FemShep, just in time for the Extended Cut, which will make it even better.
Yeah, but we've only Bioware to blame. If Hudson would actually admit, "I done goofed", instead of constantly screaming "no you fucking peons, you just don't get my genius," we might get an actual ending to the trilogy.BloatedGuppy said:
Of course, the first and second game are really the first act of a trilogy, and ME3 is the second act right up to the Hellgate London sequence... so it's not like there weren't some warning signs way back with two...
What's wrong with Nickelback?BloatedGuppy said:
Anyway, the thing about Mass Effect is it's bad. Not in the last fifteen minutes of ME3. It's bad from the word go. The first game is basically a massive shell game, saying "don't worry, the consequences of your actions are coming in the next game."
The second game is another massive shell game, saying "here's the consequences of your actions (nothing happened), but there'll be more next game, and this game will make sense in a bit, but right now it's a big mystery." Of course, then Giant Space Terminator Baby, without any real explanation as to how this forwards the plot, or why suddenly everyone is a freakin' moron.
The third game finally says, "Hey guys, I found the consequences of your actions!" And hands you a spreadsheet where it's been grading you. Narrative impact? Pfff. Fuck that shit, we've got a report card!
And then the ending fails so completely it breaks narrative rules you never knew existed.
I feel these days like the ending was just the tip of the iceberg of a colossal mess and horrible game. But, besides that, I'll just do my usual thing about the ending.
When I had first heard the complaints of the ending, I was actually expecting to be happy with it because people tend to hate things I like. For example, I loved Dragon Age 2 and really loved it's ending. However, to me the ending of Mass Effect 3 simply makes no sense when you look at the themes of the rest of the game. Synthetics vs Organics was just a small issue apart of the much larger issue of everyone learning to tolerate each others differences.
Reapers, husks, collectors, are synthesized beings, organics mixed with synthetics, and they are presented as horrible and unwanted. Not something to ever be desired.
Pure synthetics are presented as innocent victims of organics. Organics are the ones that abuse, try to control and destroy synthetics, not the other way around. Legion, the geth, and EDI all want to be organics friends and live in peace. Any attacks by them against organics are either in defense, through pure misunderstanding, or in the case of the geth in ME1, they were reprogrammed/manipulated by Reapers and Saren. You can fix that in ME2 by reprogramming them again through Legion to create peace.
The ending also clearly diverges off into a different writing style from the rest of the series as a whole. When the rumors started going around that Casey Hudson and Mac Walters took the ending entirely into their own hands, locked out the rest of the writers, I really wasn't surprised. I really suspect it to be true.
When I had first heard the complaints of the ending, I was actually expecting to be happy with it because people tend to hate things I like. For example, I loved Dragon Age 2 and really loved it's ending. However, to me the ending of Mass Effect 3 simply makes no sense when you look at the themes of the rest of the game. Synthetics vs Organics was just a small issue apart of the much larger issue of everyone learning to tolerate each others differences.
Reapers, husks, collectors, are synthesized beings, organics mixed with synthetics, and they are presented as horrible and unwanted. Not something to ever be desired.
Pure synthetics are presented as innocent victims of organics. Organics are the ones that abuse, try to control and destroy synthetics, not the other way around. Legion, the geth, and EDI all want to be organics friends and live in peace. Any attacks by them against organics are either in defense, through pure misunderstanding, or in the case of the geth in ME1, they were reprogrammed/manipulated by Reapers and Saren. You can fix that in ME2 by reprogramming them again through Legion to create peace.
The ending also clearly diverges off into a different writing style from the rest of the series as a whole. When the rumors started going around that Casey Hudson and Mac Walters took the ending entirely into their own hands, locked out the rest of the writers, I really wasn't surprised. I really suspect it to be true.
honestly, the ending was worse than any i could have imagined. im not just saying that. i actually thought people were exaggerating when i first heard the ending was bad, like "oh, its probably just a little disappointing, but thats okay" once i beat it, it was clear that people werent exaggerating.
it seriously felt like they ran out of time and just decided to throw something together in a week's time.
i started a second playthrough of ME2 the day after i beat it, but i havent even touched ME3 since i beat that game. i have literally no desire to replay the game because i know how it ends, and the ending made me feel like i wasted over 70 hours or so, just to get slapped in the face by that ending.
and it isnt just the ending that was a problem. much of the game fell short from the previous titles. the gameplay was much improved, but there were far fewer missions, hardly any side worlds to explore, and only one hub world. also, the romance subplots were dull, and the ending only served to destroy whatever relationship you chose to build.
ME3 should have been in development for another year. almost everything in the game feels like it suffered from a shorter development time than the previous 2 games.
it seriously felt like they ran out of time and just decided to throw something together in a week's time.
i started a second playthrough of ME2 the day after i beat it, but i havent even touched ME3 since i beat that game. i have literally no desire to replay the game because i know how it ends, and the ending made me feel like i wasted over 70 hours or so, just to get slapped in the face by that ending.
and it isnt just the ending that was a problem. much of the game fell short from the previous titles. the gameplay was much improved, but there were far fewer missions, hardly any side worlds to explore, and only one hub world. also, the romance subplots were dull, and the ending only served to destroy whatever relationship you chose to build.
ME3 should have been in development for another year. almost everything in the game feels like it suffered from a shorter development time than the previous 2 games.
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I thought that I was the only one that wanted to punch that kid., nice to know that i'm not the only nut.
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I thought that I was the only one that wanted to punch that kid., nice to know that i'm not the only nut.
The thing that I hated is that the ending just came out of nowhere.
If they had just done a massive battle that you won or lost dependent on your military strength and choices I would have been a lot happier with it I think.
I really thought the space kid was ridiculous. Any writer knows you don't pull a completely new character out of your bum in the last ten minutes of a story.
It's like if Tolkien said ''Oh by the way SAURON IS THIS EVIL DUDE!'' at the end of LOTR after not mentioning him for the entire book.
If they had just done a massive battle that you won or lost dependent on your military strength and choices I would have been a lot happier with it I think.
I really thought the space kid was ridiculous. Any writer knows you don't pull a completely new character out of your bum in the last ten minutes of a story.
It's like if Tolkien said ''Oh by the way SAURON IS THIS EVIL DUDE!'' at the end of LOTR after not mentioning him for the entire book.
To answer:
The ending was bad.
The reaction was overblown, vitriolic, and represented the ending as being far worse than it actually was.
The rest of the game was great, and should not have been overshadowed by five minutes of silliness, even if it was the end.
Also, if you encounter a Mass Effect fanboy who says 'Indoctrination Theory is right' or 'none of my choices mattered', then ignore them. Their opinion is wrong and they have nothing worthwhile to contribute.
The ending was bad.
The reaction was overblown, vitriolic, and represented the ending as being far worse than it actually was.
The rest of the game was great, and should not have been overshadowed by five minutes of silliness, even if it was the end.
Also, if you encounter a Mass Effect fanboy who says 'Indoctrination Theory is right' or 'none of my choices mattered', then ignore them. Their opinion is wrong and they have nothing worthwhile to contribute.
It really didn't. Not unless the standards are so low that you apply the same standards to most games.mister_redgrave said:
Or if, standing at the edge of the pit in Mount Doom, Frodo was presented with three choices by a yet unestablished entity, who created Sauron to save Middle Earth.Moonlight Butterfly said: