I don't think I've been forced into a gunfight yet. The story doesn't butt in on sandbox games, you can do whatever you want. I don't go into any game expecting good writing because so very few games actually have good writing, and the games regarded as having good writing usually just have average writing when compared to other mediums. Expecting to get a good story out of a game means you'll enjoy at best 1% of all games (very few good writers actually work in the industry) so why do you even play games?Zhukov said:Well then it should stop forcing it's incredibly lame story on me.
Besides, Watch Dogs has no problem forcing me into gunfights. Does it all the time. It'll also force you into the occasional stealth section where being spotted is an instant game over.
So, by your own definition, Watch Dogs is a poorly designed game.
I've never seen a stealth game where I can't just shoot my way through the level if I wanted to. Doing things the fastest way isn't the most fun or rewarding method.Actually, yes, that's about right.I guess you just proved stealth games suck because you can just shoot every enemy in the head, it's faster and more efficient so it's better!!!
I like being stealthy when you actually need to be stealthy.
But stealth in a game where you can just easily kill everything is pointless. It's just wasting time. Why use an indirect, time consuming method when the quick and direct method achieves the same results and quicker?
Besides, that means there's no consequence for being spotted. "Oh no, a guard spotted you! Whatever will you do?!" "Uh... shoot him in the head?"
It usually detracts from the action aspect as well, since they need to cripple the AI in order to make stealth viable. So enemies are always scattered evenly about, standing around staring at walls and taking three seconds to notice you, and you always get the initiative.
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I HATE Assassin's Creed and the first game is actually the best as it actually kinda had core gameplay. I was done with the series when the most fun part of AC2 were the puzzles; the stealth sucked, the combat sucked, the platforming was worse than AC1, nothing to actually buy with money, I hated Ezio, etc.Madame_le_Flour said:Can't say I'm as enthusiastic by the gameplay I've seen thusfar, just kinda looks like Assassin's Creed: Hacker Edition to me, but I do plan to pick it up eventually (need to get SOME mileage out of this PS4 after all).
Although you do sound a bit like me when I first played Bioshock Infinite which I now consider grossly overrated, then again the first time I played No More Heroes I hated it and it's now one of my favorite games, and my opinions on Dark Souls were always lofty and have only improved with time; hindsight is funny like that.
But yeah, glad you're having fun!
The more I played Dark Souls, the more I realized how simplistic and easy the game was. I went through entire dungeons without dying with no walkthrough and it was on my 1st playthrough. Plus, the RPG mechanics of the game were rather poor; a stat that did nothing, fire magic not being dependent on a stat, etc.
100% this, it's all about using the toolkit the game gives. You can play it like an average cover shooter but that's really your fault for playing like that.Zakarath said:I'm having a lot of fun playing it almost entirely nonviolently, apart from occasional beatdowns. Used hacking to ghost most of the missions so far, using distractions and cameras to get line of sight on objectives. I really like the toolkit it gives you for that, and makes the game a much more challenging and engaging experience, when murdering everyone instead would be expedient but make me feel bad, as the profiler shows you that a lot of them aren't really that bad people.
Watch Dogs isn't a pure shooter so it doesn't need to be the best shooter like say a Max Payne or Vanquish. Watch Dogs controls better than several pure shooters like Max Payne 3 and Uncharted. It's just like Splinter Cell Blacklist is average as a shooter, but it's a stealth game so that's OK. I didn't play Splinter Cell Blacklist competitively because the controls aren't good enough but single player is just fine. It's just like I'm not going to play Watch Dogs competitively either. I'm hoping MGS5 and The Division deliver on the online multiplayer, after playing some Ground Zeroes, I'm not too confident about MGS5's online just due to the controls in Ground Zeroes (MGS4 was way better).josemlopes said:Oh you are that guy, I am really amazed how you are finding Watch Dogs AMAZING since with every other game you nitpick them to death if they miss one feature like leaning. In Watch Dogs you cant even shoot from the hip.
You cant excuse poor driving mechanics with "Git Gud". In CT Special Forces the aim isnt properly aligned with where the bullets actually go but if you get used to it you can manage to compensate by aiming more to the left, does that excuse the fact that its terrible aiming mechanics if you can get good at it eventually? Play an actual racing game before saying that the driving is fine in Watch Dogs.
I've played all kinds of racers from sims (Gran Turismo) to arcade racers (Midnight Club) to racers inbetween like most Need for Speeds. Watch Dogs driving isn't typical sandbox driving (very arcade-y) so people are bitching at it because they don't like having to brake before making a turn.
My favorite game series is MGS, hardly a cult classic. I loved GTA3 and Vice City but the games haven't evolved from that besides graphically. RDR was just so bad I couldn't take it anymore, every mission was exactly the same. Mercenaries from PS2/Xbox was better than anything Rockstar has put out really ever.EternallyBored said:Yaknow, now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever seen phoenix make a single post where he isn't trying to either tear down a popular game, or loudly singing the praises of a more controversial or less well-received title. Even in this post, he spent more time trying to tear down RDR and GTA than he actually spent praising Watch Dogs, a game that he thinks is "AMAZING". Even his praise is generic as hell and doesn't really include much in the way of detail.
Really, I don't like to take the cynical view, but I'm starting to think phoenix just posts like that so people can argue with him, there's really no reason this required its own post rather than being in one of the other half dozen Watch Dogs threads on the first two pages.
From what I've seen, everyone has been bashing Watch Dogs really for no reason, and I just don't get it as Watch Dogs does things better than its competitors.