Can't think of any ways Oblivion was better to be honest. I prefer everything in Skyrim apart from the over abundance of snow.
Ways that Oblivion is superior to Skyrim
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Instead we now have the magical sprint feature. You exhaust less stamina when you have less stuff equipped. Sure it'd be nice to have my lightening quick, spring-loaded jump Khajit back, but instead I get a skill system that doesn't break the game...Crono1973 said:
This one I agree with. While the models were much nicer looking, Skyrim is essentially mix and match presets. Sliders would be welcomed back with open arms for more unique appearances.Crono1973 said:
Vanilla Oblivion's UI was no beauty queen either. Anyone playing on PC will tell you that. In terms of horrible UI Skyrim and Oblivion are at a tie for PC players. Though I'll give it to you, Oblivion's had a much nicer aesthetic with the faded parchment look.Crono1973 said:
Are you shitting me? You must have some horrible luck. Skyrim doesn't have half of the launch bugs that Oblivion had. Maybe you're forgetting that by the time Oblivion hit PS3 it already had a years worth of patches. Vanilla was practially unplayable on 360 and PC.Crono1973 said:
So far Oblivion has two of the best DLC released (in my personal opinion). The Shivering Isles and Knights of the Nine. Of course Skyrim could top this in the future, but we'll see.
Other than that Skyrim has been an improvement in every single way. Reading the books ingame is now a delight and weapons and armours look effective and impressive.
I used to love oblivion, I played over 100 hours of that game but god, it has aged badly. The engine was awful and clearly couldn't create the type of game world they wanted. The exploration was non existent because everything looked the bloody same. There were about seven voice actors between over 1000 NPC's, honestly I would have preferred the text chat from morrowind. Level scaling was just crap and ruined any feeling of progression in the game. the skill system was incredibly inbalanced and inevitably pointless because if you play long enough you can just unlock everything.
I think you're confusing streamlining with dumbing down. If you have the choice between three skills and one is fucking useless then it's not dumbing down if you decide to either scrap one or combine it with one of the other skillsCrono1973 said:
You should not be able to break a game that easilyCrono1973 said:
This is hard since I find Skyrim to be the best or second best game they made. Not sure yet if its better then Morrowind because it actually is, or just because it has the new game feel to it. But for me the one complaint I have, is no repairing weapons. I like making weapons and all, but what about fixing them?
While not worse that Oblivion I'm kinda disappointed at the commonality of the dragons. When I'm slaying dragons at level 2 something is wrong. I was expecting it to be a bit more of a rare event at least until the end of the main story line. The way it is now is currently more common than finding a troll.
I must have missed the part where I said not liking the dragons was blasphemy. I thought I simply stated my opinion on the matter. Thanks for clearing that up for me.Crono1973 said:
I will admit that some of the menus are not as efficient as Oblivion's, but I, personally, enjoy the new UI. That's my opinion, mind you, not martial law, as you were confused about in my earlier post. If you like Oblivion, then play it. If you don't like Skyrim, don't play it. I really don't see the purpose of making a thread devoted to pointing out UI flaws and your personal distaste for dragons is all.
The only thing I miss from Oblivion are separate items slots for the chest and legs, and that you could equipt more than one ring. Other than that, Skyrim is superior in every way possible.
I was playing another Oblivion character when Skyrim came out. Now I realize that, not only do I have no reason to go back to Oblivion, I would dread going back and dealing with its flaws that Skyrim has pleasantly dealth with.
I was playing another Oblivion character when Skyrim came out. Now I realize that, not only do I have no reason to go back to Oblivion, I would dread going back and dealing with its flaws that Skyrim has pleasantly dealth with.
Um it's better than Oblivion in every possible way, i think?
I mean the ton of dungeons in Skyrim actually feel fresh and interesting, rather than the copy pasted dungeons in Oblivion
I love the idea that you shout so hard that it becomes fire, i assume the Phoenix Wright fans amongst the Skyrim modding community are already at work creating an Objection! Shout... It's what i'd do XD
No performance issues on the 360
Dragons that actually feel like Dragons
etc etc etc
I could write a damn essay on the subject
EDIT: Oh and on the character customisation
I rest my case
I mean the ton of dungeons in Skyrim actually feel fresh and interesting, rather than the copy pasted dungeons in Oblivion
I love the idea that you shout so hard that it becomes fire, i assume the Phoenix Wright fans amongst the Skyrim modding community are already at work creating an Objection! Shout... It's what i'd do XD
No performance issues on the 360
Dragons that actually feel like Dragons
etc etc etc
I could write a damn essay on the subject
EDIT: Oh and on the character customisation
I rest my case
And when in other fantasy games have you been able to level up a skill to outrun horses and jump over houses? Please name one. Name a game where wizards jump 190 feet in the air nothing. Can't do it can you?Crono1973 said:
Pick a better argument. There's a great many flaws in your points:
Useless skills that made the game wacky when leveled up. Glad they got rid of these skill, they served next to no purpose. Plus how would it work in Skyrim's perk system without it getting stupid?Crono1973 said:
Thank you for being so informative of this decision. You just said it was worse and left it at that. No support, no nothing. That's like a comedian that sets up a punchline, drops the mic, and leaves. No point.
It's better than looking like a cheesy fantasy print. The UI works better than the Oblivion UI in terms of functionality.
Couldn't sort you stuff in Oblivion either. Also just put your stuff on and go 3rd person. Problem solved.
The PS3 is the only console experiencing that so that's not a complete argument. On my PC Skyrim runs just as fine as Oblivion.
So did you play the game or are you just reading someone else's points from a different forum? Not really sure about that last part there.
Here's one thing that sets back any point you make for Oblivion. In Skyrim you don't need to sleep to level.
I played Oblivion through alot. Skyrim is better for me. The lack of seeing-character-in-inventory is pretty much the only downside, and I'm not particularly bothered by that. The entire inventory/level/favourites/2-h system is better as far as I'm concerned, I like the slo-mo kills and the differences in power attacks. It doesn't have irritating Oblivion Towers everywhere. Some of the creatures are irritatingly hard, but I just run away now. 360 performance is pretty simmilar. Slightly longer loading, but then it's a bigger game with more voice actors and a more open-ended feeling.
Hmm. Alright, I can think of a few ways Oblivion is better than Skyrim.
1) It plays on my cheap POS computer.
2) Custom spells are fun break the game with
3) Using the above (and enchanting), achieving 100% chameleon/spell absorption
4) Buying food from an inn, bottling all the stuff into fatigue potions, and selling it back to the inn (those inkeepers aren't the brightest bulbs, are they)
5) Using alchemy to boost your intelligence, letting you make a better fortify intelligence potion (to make an even better one, ad infinitum)
6) Using paintpots to make a stairway TO THE HEAVENS!
7) player.modpcs Acrobatics 99999. BOING!
8) Making myself an Imperial male.. that's light purple and is about 70% nose. FEAR ME, FOR I AM SNIFFTOR THE IMMORTAL!
That's all I got, though most of them are exploits and the first one is not a reason at all.
1) It plays on my cheap POS computer.
2) Custom spells are fun break the game with
3) Using the above (and enchanting), achieving 100% chameleon/spell absorption
4) Buying food from an inn, bottling all the stuff into fatigue potions, and selling it back to the inn (those inkeepers aren't the brightest bulbs, are they)
5) Using alchemy to boost your intelligence, letting you make a better fortify intelligence potion (to make an even better one, ad infinitum)
6) Using paintpots to make a stairway TO THE HEAVENS!
7) player.modpcs Acrobatics 99999. BOING!
8) Making myself an Imperial male.. that's light purple and is about 70% nose. FEAR ME, FOR I AM SNIFFTOR THE IMMORTAL!
That's all I got, though most of them are exploits and the first one is not a reason at all.
I have only witnessed my house-mate playing the game, so this is literally an observers point of view. With that in mind:
Arse all.
Creating your own spells is pretty much the only thing I can see myself missing when I buy the game. Outside of random loot Oblivion never felt rewarding when you explored simply because it was all identical and there were very few things going on in dungeons. Skyrim just looks and, I imagine, feels more like a mythical land than a countryside wander with the odd bandit encounter.
Oblivion had a counter-productive levelling system which punished you for using the skills your favour most, while Skyrim takes the exact opposite approach so I don't end up worrying every time I go to level-up and see I haven't got the required 5 in Endurance not to be owned by a bear.
Skyrim makes you feel special: sure, anyone can kill a dragon if they are strong enough, but only you can use the god-like powers you gain from their souls. Oblivion gave you very little in that sense. Hell, the plot in Oblivion was so dull I simply never bothered, I felt I had to make my own story. Skyrim gives me all the pieces (towns with stories, dungeons with little plots of their own, a sense of civil unrest, etc.) so if I choose to make my own story it doesn't feel like I'm playing video-game assisted make-believe rather than actually playing a character in a game.
Arse all.
Creating your own spells is pretty much the only thing I can see myself missing when I buy the game. Outside of random loot Oblivion never felt rewarding when you explored simply because it was all identical and there were very few things going on in dungeons. Skyrim just looks and, I imagine, feels more like a mythical land than a countryside wander with the odd bandit encounter.
Oblivion had a counter-productive levelling system which punished you for using the skills your favour most, while Skyrim takes the exact opposite approach so I don't end up worrying every time I go to level-up and see I haven't got the required 5 in Endurance not to be owned by a bear.
Skyrim makes you feel special: sure, anyone can kill a dragon if they are strong enough, but only you can use the god-like powers you gain from their souls. Oblivion gave you very little in that sense. Hell, the plot in Oblivion was so dull I simply never bothered, I felt I had to make my own story. Skyrim gives me all the pieces (towns with stories, dungeons with little plots of their own, a sense of civil unrest, etc.) so if I choose to make my own story it doesn't feel like I'm playing video-game assisted make-believe rather than actually playing a character in a game.
That's just saying there are more/better models (ie, more presets). That isn't saying that the actual character creator (which is a tool, not a collection of models) is better. Generally speaking, a tool with more options is superior than one with fewer options.Vanguard_Ex said:
Being able to change the hair color in Oblivion is changing the color of the hair. Doing it in Skyrim is loading the next model.
When you see a wolf, what do you do? When you see a rat, what do you do? When you see a bear, what do you do?Fawxy said:
I'll bet in all three cases you click the left mouse button or hit the right trigger. Do you really care that they have different avatars? If so then fine but I'll bet after you see a few hundred of them, you won't care anymore.
I haven't finished the DH quest line yet, that's a little disappointing because the concept of the Night mother missing seemed interesting.lunncal said:
All in all I find Skyrim a far superior experience, OP sounds like a troll the way he continues to write off dragons as the fighting the same thing as rats or wolves. Dragons fly, breathe health raping fire, can show up anywhere randomly, and can kill your allies by snatching them off the ground and dropping them 80 ft on a rock.
Rats and wolves.... run at you... and bite you.
Also, I found out the hard way, but apparently Alduin, the final boss, travels around the map in real time, so you can technically fight him whenever you want if you run into him. Except that without those extra NPCs you get during the legit fight at the end of the game he's nigh impossible to damage.
My biggest gripe is the Mages College questline. It was too short, and the ending felt phoned in. Can someone explain to me how using one macguffin to shoot another macguffin while some thalmor guy get's beaten to death by icewraiths qualifies me to be the arch-mage of the college? Literally ANYONE could have done what your character did, all it requires is to shoot the orb with the staff, it didn't test my magical abilities AT ALL.
If I had to complain I wished the dragons were a bit tougher. I am sitting on 20 dragon souls, 60 something bones and 58 scales. Not one dragon has been able to kill me yet. Either my guy is just that good or the dragons are just lizards with a gland disorder. I also don't like that you can't do alchemy anywhere anymore. It makes more realistic sense but having to visit a lab is a bit inconvenient. Also, and this just might be the Red Dead fan in me but I get the horses in the game run when theres trouble, horses aren't known to be the bravest animals in the world. But when they run can you give us a way to call them back to us?! I'm sick of having to run after the thing after a fight. And will they stay out of a fight as well?! I don't need your help Seabiscuit! I've gone through 3 horses because they think I need help! I hate the new map, and I hate that I can't use weapons or spells while on a horse (is it too much to ask to be able to use clairvoyance while riding?!). And lastly the fucking spiders. Why spiders Bethesda?!
But other than that I love the game. The new leveling system is excellent and my guy is getting stronger in the things I want him to be strong in. And adding werewolfs was awesome! I hated being a vampire in Oblivion, too many rules. Being a werewolf however really has no drawbacks. You don't get a well rested bonus when you sleep (I don't care because I usually sleep when I want to past the time) and you can only change once a day ( and I only change when in big trouble). Other than that I can do what I want and get a 100% disease resistance in the process marvelous!
But other than that I love the game. The new leveling system is excellent and my guy is getting stronger in the things I want him to be strong in. And adding werewolfs was awesome! I hated being a vampire in Oblivion, too many rules. Being a werewolf however really has no drawbacks. You don't get a well rested bonus when you sleep (I don't care because I usually sleep when I want to past the time) and you can only change once a day ( and I only change when in big trouble). Other than that I can do what I want and get a 100% disease resistance in the process marvelous!