Weed

[Ixus Illwrath]

The people who want to make a thing illegal should not be able to create policy without first proving how the thing they wish to be illegal harms THEM, the non-user.

That said, there's far more reasons... REAL reasons, that alcohol and tobacco should be ILLEGAL, and marijuana should be LEGAL.

Drunk drivers kill innocent people, second hand smoke likely kills innocent bystanders as well. Marijuana causes... lower worker productivity? The only study against pot seems to be the self-admitted laziness. If you don't live in a communist society where lowered productivity IS considered a threat to the masses, then that can NOT be used as a justifiable means to ban something that will lower production.

If you live in the USA, you can choose not to work, with no other penalty than you will most likely be broke or on the welfare system. If you live in a true communist society, you will be imprisoned and entered into forced labor. Based on those ideological differences, you would have a justification for banning cannabis if you were a member of the latter.

 

[KittywifaMohawk]

The people who want to make a thing illegal should not be able to create policy without first proving how the thing they wish to be illegal harms THEM, the non-user.

That said, there's far more reasons... REAL reasons, that alcohol and tobacco should be ILLEGAL, and marijuana should be LEGAL.

Drunk drivers kill innocent people, second hand smoke likely kills innocent bystanders as well. Marijuana causes... lower worker productivity? The only study against pot seems to be the self-admitted laziness. If you don't live in a communist society where lowered productivity IS considered a threat to the masses, then that can NOT be used as a justifiable means to ban something that will lower production.

If you live in the USA, you can choose not to work, with no other penalty than you will most likely be broke or on the welfare system. If you live in a true communist society, you will be imprisoned and entered into forced labor. Based on those ideological differences, you would have a justification for banning cannabis if you were a member of the latter.

You are extremely right there, I don't know what alcohol and cigarettes aren't illegal, they kill more people every day then weed would in a year. But the government can make money off of it, that's probably why. The only way government can get money off of weed is that you sell it in stores, but a lot of people will just grow it themselves and sell it to people. You just can't tax one more person for it, that would just be unfair and the government knows that.

 

[BardSeed]

Meh, a few of my friends do it and it makes them say the most random things ranging from fish to volcanos that will cook said fish. I will never try weed ever just for the sake of never having to sound like such a moron.

Maybe your friends are just idiots?

Weed isn't going to become legal in Britain, I'm going to carry on smoking as and when I please just because I want to. Unless I agree with it, I'm not going to let other people decide what I can and can not do.

 

[Chechosaurus]

I'm all for weed. Its a good high and depending on how you smoke it and what mood your in you get a different hight out of it. The giggles are the best but just monging out to some good music is also great. I see why people have issues with and thats cool but people have issues with drinking and smoking. You can never please every one. I don't force it on any one who doesn't want cuz its up to them but if you are gonna do any illegal drug do weed. By far the safest and even though its Class B now in the UK its still the best one to be caught with.

 

[Pari4h]

I'm from Holland and while having never tried it I'm pretty sure I'll come to it someday. Either way I've heard a lot of stories of people trying it (about my age 16+). Mostly it's the same fun except the ones that have had a bad trip and never tried it again.

The thing that annoys me the most is that cigarettes are still legal, while it has been proven that they ARE dangerous toward your health and highly addictive. Where as the occasional smoking of pot won't get you addicted or affect your health.

 

[BardSeed]

I'm from Holland and while having never tried it I'm pretty sure I'll come to it someday. Either way I've heard a lot of stories of people trying it (about my age 16+). Mostly it's the same fun except the ones that have had a bad trip and never tried it again.

You don't trip, just wanted to clear that up.They probably smoked too much for their low tolerance and ended up on a whitie. If you smoke too much or it's too strong you will feel ill and possibly throw up. It's almost happened to me once but after I ate a bit it was fine. Smoking on an empty stomach is a bad idea.

 

[Pari4h]

I know it is not a trip, it's just what they call it.

 

[ElArabDeMagnifico]

Hehe, I just found this [http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/27/33-marijuana/].

I find this a good place to share it, not because it's "SWPL".com - but because judging from the original post of this topic I can just post anything weed related.

btw, pineapple express is awesome.

 

[Xhumed]

I'm all for weed. Its a good high and depending on how you smoke it and what mood your in you get a different hight out of it. The giggles are the best but just monging out to some good music is also great. I see why people have issues with and thats cool but people have issues with drinking and smoking. You can never please every one. I don't force it on any one who doesn't want cuz its up to them but if you are gonna do any illegal drug do weed. By far the safest and even though its Class B now in the UK its still the best one to be caught with.

Did they bump it back up again? Pretty sure they lowered marijuana to a Class C

 

[Ixus Illwrath]

Pot is American culture. Sorry, rest of the world, we stoled it from you to make buddy comedies.

 

[Treblaine]

seems more trouble than it's worth what with the trouble with the law, relationships, job prospects, education and so much other shit. I guess you could say that legalising it would eliminate those problems but weed was banned for the same reason booze was, people who are on either stuff are just a strain on society.

Look through history, for every time someone says 'legalize weed', someone else says 'ban alcohol'. The thing is, we as a western society have become pretty good at dealing with alcoholism to spite the amount consumed as the police can easily tell if someone has been drinking from their breath and they are just one night in the drunk tank away from being relatively functional the next day. I have tried to wake up my mate after he had one spliff the previous night, he could not recognise me calling me 'mum', it was pitiful watching him try to remember how to tie his shoelaces, I've never seen anyone get that mind-fucked after booze. Over two years I was forced to share a room with this guy (boarding school) as he got worse and worse, he was a walking anti-drug advertisement.

I will happily drink a bottle of beer rather than smoke a joint because I know that my liver can quickly break down the alcohol within an hour (assuming you don't drink massive amounts) whereas with cannabis, THC and the other psychoactive chemicals are filtered out painfully slowly over a month or so and will perpetually doped if you smoke several times a week. It is far easier to consume alcohol at safe levels and even a heavy bender the night before will leave a physical punishment though your mind is relatively unscathed, the punishment for excessive puffing of the magic dragon is right in your cranium which is not where I want things damaged.

 

[BardSeed]

I'm all for weed. Its a good high and depending on how you smoke it and what mood your in you get a different hight out of it. The giggles are the best but just monging out to some good music is also great. I see why people have issues with and thats cool but people have issues with drinking and smoking. You can never please every one. I don't force it on any one who doesn't want cuz its up to them but if you are gonna do any illegal drug do weed. By far the safest and even though its Class B now in the UK its still the best one to be caught with.

Did they bump it back up again? Pretty sure they lowered marijuana to a Class C

They upped it again.
I will admit that, even though I'm only 17, marijuana is not for the undeveloped mind. If it was legalised/decriminalised I would want the smoking age to be 20/21. I would still smoke it because it's already contributed to the development of my mind, which is still ongoing I might add.

 

[SilentHunter7]

Never did it, never will.

I like my body, my lungs in particular, thank you very much.

 

[BardSeed]

Never did it, never will.

I like my body, my lungs in particular, thank you very much.

You could always use a vaporiser if your main argument is that you are afraid of the health risks.

 

[Tsurugi]

I personally hate it because of the smell and because both of my brothers have done it and it pretty much ruined my home life for a couple of years till they got kicked out. The main reason I swore not to do it well and my brothers said they would break me if I touched it.

 

[Treblaine]

The people who want to make a thing illegal should not be able to create policy without first proving how the thing they wish to be illegal harms THEM, the non-user.

That said, there's far more reasons... REAL reasons, that alcohol and tobacco should be ILLEGAL, and marijuana should be LEGAL.

Drunk drivers kill innocent people, second hand smoke likely kills innocent bystanders as well. Marijuana causes... lower worker productivity? The only study against pot seems to be the self-admitted laziness. If you don't live in a communist society where lowered productivity IS considered a threat to the masses, then that can NOT be used as a justifiable means to ban something that will lower production.

If you live in the USA, you can choose not to work, with no other penalty than you will most likely be broke or on the welfare system. If you live in a true communist society, you will be imprisoned and entered into forced labor. Based on those ideological differences, you would have a justification for banning cannabis if you were a member of the latter.

Well I disagree that Cannabis doesn't cause the same problems as Alcohol, as in driving. Now while high it does not lower reaction times as much as alcohol but the driver is unable to drive at a safe speed, that is they will go at 30mph on an interstate with cars swerving around them at 60mph. The big problems with cannabis intoxication is spacial awareness, it becomes very hard to judge distance and speed which can be disastrous when navigating around pedestrians and oncoming cars.

BTW, you objected to the second hand smoke from cigarettes but not the smoke from cannabis, cannabis is as harmful if not more harmful to your own lungs and those sharing the same enclosed space. On the front of work productivity, look at countries laws on alcohol, they all legislated around making sure people were sober on Monday morning to go down the mine. Smokin several times a week will easily leave you constantly stoned.

This may sound crazy to you but if people don't work then society will collapse, the key measure of nations quality of life can be linked to rate of unemployment as people who are not working as putting a strain on society (food, services, housing) to spite not contributing anything. 20% unemployment in Germany got them desperate enough to elect Hitler.

In fact it is my opinion that welfare programs are no where near as altruistic as they seem, they are simply a method of plugging the hole in the damn to prevent unemployed individuals destabilising the economy.

 

[khululy]

Well I'm from Holland and I know how it is to get high.
People make such a fuzz about it, they think you will do stupid things and freak out and become a criminal.
statisticly 0 people have died from direct result of cannabis usage.
Compare that to traffic accidents, alcohol,tabacco, Pharmasuitcal medicens or gun use.
Here in Holland where we have so called "coffee shops" the cannabis use per head of the population is lower than in countries like france or spain, wich claim the opposite. where there's a strict NO against these things.
But the problem is if a drug like weed is illegal the market remains in the hands of drug dealers and they might sell weed laced with LSD or something or try to convince you you should use stronger stuff.
Alcohol is far more a dangerous substance, I've never seen a person, who is high on weed, starting a fight. Drunk people tend to be obnoxious, loud and not always the most pleasant company while I find so called "Potheads" far more relaxed.
But the problem also lies with the people they tend to blame the drug for their own mistakes. saying the drugs made me do it. If you got hit by a car you blame the driver as well, not the car. and just like the weed the user should be blamed for misuse.
But with all the Weed is evil campgains people get more curious about it and will try it. If proper information on the drug is provided and a controlled marked for this. it will be far safer to smoke a reffer from time to time.
My personal experience:
Getting high is not that mind breaking it just feels like you're made out of noodles, but sound and visuals can become more intense while in some cases confusion can occur due to the attention span reduction.
within the first hour you will feel the kick in. the most intense moment of the high. this breaks down in about another hour and after 2 hours all the effects slowly fade.
it takes about 2 weeks for the body to break down THC (the effective component)
I do not reccomend it as a feel good drug for it is not. It only enhances your current mood and prolongs it's effect thus if you feel bad , smoking weed is not a smart thing to do.
All and all I'd rather smoke weed then drink because for me alcohol is a far more disturbing drug. When you've used too much cannabis you will most likely just black out for a while. But with alcohol you will permanently damage your brain and liver and you can even get into a coma or die from alcohol poisoning.
For a country like the US, where Having a weapon is one of the greatest causes of death but considered a civil right, I find it very hypocritcal to bannish weed on such a large scale.
Oh and if one ever tries weed. do it with people you trust and people who are experienced. But beware of laced weed so make sure you have reliable contacts for that. And don't use when getting to school, work, job interviews or whatever. Just go watch a movie or something.
or play video games (I played resident evil 4 while being high and it disturbed me more then ever ) The real effects differ from person to person and as soon as you feel sick or something stop using. it's not worth feeling ill over.
Smoking it several time a week will not leave you stoned but you will get butt lazy.
Any wya it's still a personal thing to decide wether you use or not. I do not say it's the best thing ever and bla bla bla, but it's not so that you will go and use other drugs or do reckless things (well not me that is). That kind of thing depends on personal mental strength I guess.

 

[Zykon TheLich]

Well I'm from Holland and etc

 

[KittywifaMohawk]

Hm, this is going very good.

Very very interesting.

 

[Xvito]

I think people can do as much drugs as they want to unless it affects someone else.
If people want to risk fucking up their own lives for satisfaction let them.