Well I won't be buying the new Tomb Raider...
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To answer your 3 questions OP
Am I just overreacting?
Yes, most certainly. Nothing in that article I read seemed to warrant your response.
Or is it a valid point?
No I don't think it is. Granted you are free to think what you please, but I am free to disagree with you.
What do you all think?
I think you are overreacting to nothing. Last I heard this story takes place before she become the Lara Craft from the other games or movies, so it would make sense that she be weaker at the beginning of the game. Besides a weaker character can be a good thing since it allows the developer to give them a nice arc.
Also I find it amusing that people complained about the old Lara who quite frankly looked like she snuck some balloons down her shirt, and when they make her look less oversexualized people complain as well. There's just no winning with some people.
Am I just overreacting?
Yes, most certainly. Nothing in that article I read seemed to warrant your response.
Or is it a valid point?
No I don't think it is. Granted you are free to think what you please, but I am free to disagree with you.
What do you all think?
I think you are overreacting to nothing. Last I heard this story takes place before she become the Lara Craft from the other games or movies, so it would make sense that she be weaker at the beginning of the game. Besides a weaker character can be a good thing since it allows the developer to give them a nice arc.
Also I find it amusing that people complained about the old Lara who quite frankly looked like she snuck some balloons down her shirt, and when they make her look less oversexualized people complain as well. There's just no winning with some people.
Barely avoids making a low-content post,rolfwesselius said:
still manages to fit in two sexist slurs.
I'm half-surprised you didn't say "and feminazis still find ways..."
Actually, scar tissue is weaker than normal skin etc, so I don't know if that analogy stands up..zuro64 said:Don't be so cynical! (sry bad joke)
You'll still have scars but like all scar tissue it becomes stronger then before.
whenever I hear tomb raider, I always think big girl with big breasts. I mean ive never even heard anything else about this game its awesome gameplay mechanics or how great the atmosphere is. No its all about the girl, the way its always has been.
Really, Lara doesnt do anything for me anyway but when people moan about how sexualised she is. She is a character from the early 90's where a slightly different mentality was back then and just like duke nukem persona of being a gun toting egomaniac she has her body and her breasts.
Really, Lara doesnt do anything for me anyway but when people moan about how sexualised she is. She is a character from the early 90's where a slightly different mentality was back then and just like duke nukem persona of being a gun toting egomaniac she has her body and her breasts.
Is'n't Lara fapulous enough for you OP?
I won't buy it because they controls have so much shit they could be called a sewer.
I won't buy it because they controls have so much shit they could be called a sewer.
Short Answer: Yes.cynicalandbored said:
Long Answer: First of all, I have yet to find anything credible from Kotaku, who at this point are as credible a news-source as Fox News.
Mainly, I found the orignal concept of Lara Croft intriguing until I saw her character 'design'. Hoping for a strong female lead that could hold her own in a fight and had a decent emotional growth, I felt saddened the comical appearance of her chest.
I have avoided the games, seeing in them a lack of any real character growth as I found it hard to take her seriously. Until this prequel. Lara, devoid of her gravity defying jumps, dual pistol gunplay and hatred towards men or creatures because they got in her way, is a young woman thrust into an extra-ordinary situation.
Surviving a shipwreck and forced to find depths of strength within herself to overcome the assaults by the tribals on the island, the treachery of the true perpetrator of the shipwreck and overcoming all obstacles in between, I find this to be a female character worthy of respect. She is not given a free pass because of her looks, but she overcomes obstacles and learns from her experiences.
To me there is one other female video game heroine I respect, and that is Samus from the Metroid series. And I would happily hold this incarnation of Lara up there with her.
For Fuck's sake. You'd think making the female protagonist less sexualized would be a good thing, but no. Now it's sexist because " it's a woman that we have to protect "? Guess What, the woman will kick her attackers' ass. It's Lara's origin story, she wasn't born badass... I genuinly think the hardship she will endure is to tell a great story, and not because the developer are sadist mygonistic pigs.
Frankly the "sexism" in video games is starting to get bloody ridiculous. But of course my opinion is invalid because I have a penis.
Frankly the "sexism" in video games is starting to get bloody ridiculous. But of course my opinion is invalid because I have a penis.
Op, as a woman the only thing that offends me is the fact you're taking offence at her breast size. Why don't you calm down and stop telling women what they should be offended by.
So long as her character is handled with dignity what difference do her breasts make? None. None what so ever.
So long as her character is handled with dignity what difference do her breasts make? None. None what so ever.
There's plenty that they're doing right with the reboot even if it is a little necessary as I didn't think there was anything wrong with the games that branched off of Legends. That sentiment that was expressed with the phrase, "want to protect" certainly could've been expressed differently though as the way he said it implied that she was a dis empowered individual in the care of the player. I mean sure within the context of the game she is still young and inexperienced, but to say that "you'll want to play the game to protect her" brings in a meta element for consideration, where the player gets involved - she's not protecting herself, the player is. But I'm too tired to think hard about this and probably have already.
I didn't see any natives in the new trailer. Aren't they just smugglers or pirates or whatever?Fappy said:
I may be mistaken but I believe they were mentioned in the article (too lazy to check) and I have read that they are an enemy online somewhere. This could just be me having Indiana Jones acid flashbacks though.Gatx said:
EDIT: The article mentions "island scavengers" try to rape her. I read that as "savages" yesterday for some reason.
the thing I find offensive is their taking a tough, resourceful character and going 'oh, you'll want to protect her.'Matthew94 said:
You. Will. Want. To. Proetect. Lara Croft. Do I really need to go into how much WRONG that is?
and thats without the fact they;ve decided her DEFINING CHARACTER MOMENT is... attempted rape.
Yay for progressive character beats.
Whilst I am in favour of giving Lara a more realistic body, most of the rest of the game seem to be going down the DmC route of a pointless reboot that ditches the things that the people who buy the games actually liked. From what I understand, people buy this sort of game because they want to be playing a an athletic badass doing lots of leaping and shooting. The new design might have been a good idea if it were a new IP and franchise, but I see it as a bit flawed to make it a TombRaider game.
I know I will not be getting this game due to my hatred of vulnerable main characters. That sort of vulnerability tends to bring out a knight-in-sour-armour response in me, I'll help because it's the right thing to do, but I will not enjoy it or think favourably of the person, and thus won't be interested in a game where I'll be playing as someone who makes me feel like that.
I also feel that the whole "rape/attempted rape as backstory" trope is both over-used and frequently very badly used, so I'm not in favour of adding it to Lara's backstory just to make her look a little bit more vulnerable.
I know I will not be getting this game due to my hatred of vulnerable main characters. That sort of vulnerability tends to bring out a knight-in-sour-armour response in me, I'll help because it's the right thing to do, but I will not enjoy it or think favourably of the person, and thus won't be interested in a game where I'll be playing as someone who makes me feel like that.
I also feel that the whole "rape/attempted rape as backstory" trope is both over-used and frequently very badly used, so I'm not in favour of adding it to Lara's backstory just to make her look a little bit more vulnerable.
Wait a minute... from what I can tell, the next Tomb Raider game is going to show you how Lara become the strong and independent woman she is now. Where's the problem? Isn't that a good thing? People complain when they busty female character isn't developed or "a real person" but now that somebody is trying to do that, you're against it? Really?
Yeah, I think the idea is that she's more 'human' because old Lara was near-enough a physical impossibility.
As for the rest of it, they're humanising her. You know why she looks a lot weaker than most male protagonists? Because most male protagonists aren't trying to be people. They're trying to be Action Man.
The problem with the Hitman trailer was, primarily, a complete lack of context. They stripped down to fetish gear outside of a run-down motel and then proceeded to blow the place up. It made no fucking sense.
This does. They've said hundreds of times that they want a realistic character - even if they only half-way manage that she's still going to end up looking weak-as-shit in the beginning compared to most other characters we play as.
Not only are you over-reacting, you're arguing that she should be made as equally shit as the male protagonists we have to endure.
Yeah, read.
Oh, and he says the rape attempt is a point of evolution, not the defining character moment to define all character moments. Given how much they've talked about slowly building the character it seems just a tad unlikely that they'd have a switch-eroo happen in one scene that they've demoed a year before release.
It is a realistic (well, Hollywood-realistic) reboot of the series. She is a 21-year-old University student who has been stranded on an island with a bunch of nutjobs. She is gonna shit a couple of bricks, like anyone.
As for the rest of it, they're humanising her. You know why she looks a lot weaker than most male protagonists? Because most male protagonists aren't trying to be people. They're trying to be Action Man.
The problem with the Hitman trailer was, primarily, a complete lack of context. They stripped down to fetish gear outside of a run-down motel and then proceeded to blow the place up. It made no fucking sense.
This does. They've said hundreds of times that they want a realistic character - even if they only half-way manage that she's still going to end up looking weak-as-shit in the beginning compared to most other characters we play as.
Not only are you over-reacting, you're arguing that she should be made as equally shit as the male protagonists we have to endure.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/06/12/the-two-deaths-that-defined-tomb-raider/Sixcess said:
Yeah, read.
That's like taking offense to Batman being shit at the start of Batman Begins. It's a bloody reboot and an origin story. The entire point is that you see the character go from a scared shitless 21-year-old to a version of the character as we know her, although hopefully one that escapes the self-parody which she has been mired in since her inception.Windknight said:
Oh, and he says the rape attempt is a point of evolution, not the defining character moment to define all character moments. Given how much they've talked about slowly building the character it seems just a tad unlikely that they'd have a switch-eroo happen in one scene that they've demoed a year before release.
It is a realistic (well, Hollywood-realistic) reboot of the series. She is a 21-year-old University student who has been stranded on an island with a bunch of nutjobs. She is gonna shit a couple of bricks, like anyone.
I'm really trying hard to see what's offensive about that article. Saying that Lara looks more human makes you want to protect her? That having breasts makes you less likely to protect her?
I've never connected with Lara literally, I've never thought 'I am Lara Croft.' I've always felt like more of an outsider, like the voice over her headset or something helping her solve mysteries. Getting right down into protecting her from harm is likely to make me feel much much closer to her if anything.
As for not being a badass anymore... I can't see any way in which this game won't result in a story arc of her going from helpless to badass by the end, and that's a powerful story. It's the story that pulled me in to Skyrim and Fallout 3 and never let me go. Maybe I'm looking for different things from a videogame, but I like the underdog story far more than the 'physical pinnacle of human beauty' one.
I've never connected with Lara literally, I've never thought 'I am Lara Croft.' I've always felt like more of an outsider, like the voice over her headset or something helping her solve mysteries. Getting right down into protecting her from harm is likely to make me feel much much closer to her if anything.
As for not being a badass anymore... I can't see any way in which this game won't result in a story arc of her going from helpless to badass by the end, and that's a powerful story. It's the story that pulled me in to Skyrim and Fallout 3 and never let me go. Maybe I'm looking for different things from a videogame, but I like the underdog story far more than the 'physical pinnacle of human beauty' one.
And on the subject of the Hitman controversey:
What's really wrong with it? I'm thinking equality should mean that a woman can dress how she wants and attack any super assassin clone she wants.
So the problem is how they dress? Right, because no woman dresses like a slutty nun. Never happened before, no way, no how. But you're right, they should be dressing more appropriately to suit this game based on a clone assassin that dresses up in disguises and goes to Santa's grotto, underground sex clubs and so on.
Even if they wore cardigans and trousers, people could find something sexist about it. If you're looking for sexism, you're going to find it even if it's not intended.
What's really wrong with it? I'm thinking equality should mean that a woman can dress how she wants and attack any super assassin clone she wants.
So the problem is how they dress? Right, because no woman dresses like a slutty nun. Never happened before, no way, no how. But you're right, they should be dressing more appropriately to suit this game based on a clone assassin that dresses up in disguises and goes to Santa's grotto, underground sex clubs and so on.
Even if they wore cardigans and trousers, people could find something sexist about it. If you're looking for sexism, you're going to find it even if it's not intended.