"Western games don't have good storys"

[Nomanslander]

Bob is a Nintendo fanboy through and through, that and a pre-PS1 nostalgia glasses wearing mofo.

So the day he starts playing good western games instead of wikipeding or youtubing them (so when asked, he'll have a formulated criticism or remark to hide the fact that he has no idea what he's talking about), I'll start giving his words more credit....-_-

 

[JoeThree]

Since the option to "Quote" isn't working... to anyone who is a smug enough douche bag to think the reason people don't like FFX is that they don't "get it", or other JRPG crap... fuck you. No really, I hate that default sanctimonious bullshit. We get it, the dude's a dream, it's just stupid like a lot of Eastern stories. Maybe if you're a part of that culture you can appreciate it more, but we in the West are raised traditionally to appreciate different, more logical types of stories. Now if you INSIST on being a Goddamn snowflake, go ahead you lame-ass weeaboo, but the rest of us aren't imbeciles, just because we prefer a narative not reliant on God killing manifestations of idiocy.

/endrant

When so many members of the western forum community express this kind of sentiment, it makes it pretty easy to disregard all those criticisms as xenophobic ignorance. I play and like a lot of Western games but this sort of thing makes it annoying to interact with the entire community. On the internet it's not cool to like a lot of things anymore.

I'm sorry, did I attack the Japanese or another culture as being "inferior"? I said that Americans who go out of their way to get all gushy over games that are illogical and stupid and pretend they're something better, usually BECAUSE they're not Western games are idiots. I said that calling people stupid for not liking a game you like because you insist on being "unique" is in itself stupidity. Or are you outright defending the "sound reason" behind the dreams of mages, yada yada, God killed?

Here's the thing, it's not illogical, you're just too close-minded to see that.



Suspension of disbelief is required of you in any game, western or not. If you choose to not do that, and then sit by and call things "stupid" or "illogical" then you're being an idiot. That's not the way to appreciate games. You should let your line of thought get molded by the game you play, you should experience events as though they are supposed to function in the GAME world. You should basically have the distinction, the basic line of difference, the idea that games and reality are NOTTTTTTT the same and that just because a game isn't following reality it doesn't mean it's in any form less legitimate than those that do.



Instead of being combative or calling people who like Japanese things weaboos, how about trying to understand the way these games are supposed to be experienced?





Nobody likes these games just because they're not western. It's not as if you'd take something like call of duty and suddenly more people will be into it if it was made in Japan. It's the intrinsic characteristics of something that is not western the what we like, not the simple fact that it's not western.

First off, I specifically prefaced my rant by saying that if you were a part of that culture, it makes sense to you, I'm sure. Just like if you go to someplace where no one's heard of Christianity and talk about Jesus or whatever, they're gonna look at you like you're fucking nuts. Same holds true here.

As for arguing the scematics of a weeaboo, I looked at your icon and realized why you took offense. In fact, everyone who has taken offense has thus far had some really dumb, manga/anime one. So yeah... winning.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Since the option to "Quote" isn't working... to anyone who is a smug enough douche bag to think the reason people don't like FFX is that they don't "get it", or other JRPG crap... fuck you. No really, I hate that default sanctimonious bullshit. We get it, the dude's a dream, it's just stupid like a lot of Eastern stories. Maybe if you're a part of that culture you can appreciate it more, but we in the West are raised traditionally to appreciate different, more logical types of stories. Now if you INSIST on being a Goddamn snowflake, go ahead you lame-ass weeaboo, but the rest of us aren't imbeciles, just because we prefer a narative not reliant on God killing manifestations of idiocy.

/endrant

When so many members of the western forum community express this kind of sentiment, it makes it pretty easy to disregard all those criticisms as xenophobic ignorance. I play and like a lot of Western games but this sort of thing makes it annoying to interact with the entire community. On the internet it's not cool to like a lot of things anymore.

I'm sorry, did I attack the Japanese or another culture as being "inferior"? I said that Americans who go out of their way to get all gushy over games that are illogical and stupid and pretend they're something better, usually BECAUSE they're not Western games are idiots. I said that calling people stupid for not liking a game you like because you insist on being "unique" is in itself stupidity. Or are you outright defending the "sound reason" behind the dreams of mages, yada yada, God killed?

Here's the thing, it's not illogical, you're just too close-minded to see that.



Suspension of disbelief is required of you in any game, western or not. If you choose to not do that, and then sit by and call things "stupid" or "illogical" then you're being an idiot. That's not the way to appreciate games. You should let your line of thought get molded by the game you play, you should experience events as though they are supposed to function in the GAME world. You should basically have the distinction, the basic line of difference, the idea that games and reality are NOTTTTTTT the same and that just because a game isn't following reality it doesn't mean it's in any form less legitimate than those that do.



Instead of being combative or calling people who like Japanese things weaboos, how about trying to understand the way these games are supposed to be experienced?





Nobody likes these games just because they're not western. It's not as if you'd take something like call of duty and suddenly more people will be into it if it was made in Japan. It's the intrinsic characteristics of something that is not western the what we like, not the simple fact that it's not western.

First off, I specifically prefaced my rant by saying that if you were a part of that culture, it makes sense to you, I'm sure. Just like if you go to someplace where no one's heard of Christianity and talk about Jesus or whatever, they're gonna look at you like you're fucking nuts. Same holds true here.

As for arguing the scematics of a weeaboo, I looked at your icon and realized why you took offense. In fact, everyone who has taken offense has thus far had some really dumb, manga/anime one. So yeah... winning.

But if you're going to sit here and opine about something is it not your responsibility to understand the thing you're talking about? Aren't you just speaking out of your ass if you don't understand the culture and meaning behind what you're describing and yet persist on describing it?


Also, what's wrong with my avatar? Do you have some kind of bigoted feelings against fans of Japanese animation?


Or is it perhaps the melon bread? You hate fruit too?



For your information, weeaboo is a 4chan word. It means anyone who uses it seriously is an idiot (they released a notice about this, I'm not making it up) so yeah, I'd watch my step if I were you cause I don't like being trolled by 4chan.

 

[xPixelatedx]

Most of our game stories have to do with terrorists, war or other such nonsence of manly men being manly. So yeah... Bob's right with this. I don't always see eye to eye with him, but Gears of War is the norm over here, and that certainly isn't a good or coherent story.

Does this mean Mass Effect sucked? No, not at all. Mass Effect has a great story, but a few gold flakes on a turd does not make Fort Knox.

 

[JoeThree]

Since the option to "Quote" isn't working... to anyone who is a smug enough douche bag to think the reason people don't like FFX is that they don't "get it", or other JRPG crap... fuck you. No really, I hate that default sanctimonious bullshit. We get it, the dude's a dream, it's just stupid like a lot of Eastern stories. Maybe if you're a part of that culture you can appreciate it more, but we in the West are raised traditionally to appreciate different, more logical types of stories. Now if you INSIST on being a Goddamn snowflake, go ahead you lame-ass weeaboo, but the rest of us aren't imbeciles, just because we prefer a narative not reliant on God killing manifestations of idiocy.

/endrant

When so many members of the western forum community express this kind of sentiment, it makes it pretty easy to disregard all those criticisms as xenophobic ignorance. I play and like a lot of Western games but this sort of thing makes it annoying to interact with the entire community. On the internet it's not cool to like a lot of things anymore.

I'm sorry, did I attack the Japanese or another culture as being "inferior"? I said that Americans who go out of their way to get all gushy over games that are illogical and stupid and pretend they're something better, usually BECAUSE they're not Western games are idiots. I said that calling people stupid for not liking a game you like because you insist on being "unique" is in itself stupidity. Or are you outright defending the "sound reason" behind the dreams of mages, yada yada, God killed?

Here's the thing, it's not illogical, you're just too close-minded to see that.



Suspension of disbelief is required of you in any game, western or not. If you choose to not do that, and then sit by and call things "stupid" or "illogical" then you're being an idiot. That's not the way to appreciate games. You should let your line of thought get molded by the game you play, you should experience events as though they are supposed to function in the GAME world. You should basically have the distinction, the basic line of difference, the idea that games and reality are NOTTTTTTT the same and that just because a game isn't following reality it doesn't mean it's in any form less legitimate than those that do.



Instead of being combative or calling people who like Japanese things weaboos, how about trying to understand the way these games are supposed to be experienced?





Nobody likes these games just because they're not western. It's not as if you'd take something like call of duty and suddenly more people will be into it if it was made in Japan. It's the intrinsic characteristics of something that is not western the what we like, not the simple fact that it's not western.

First off, I specifically prefaced my rant by saying that if you were a part of that culture, it makes sense to you, I'm sure. Just like if you go to someplace where no one's heard of Christianity and talk about Jesus or whatever, they're gonna look at you like you're fucking nuts. Same holds true here.

As for arguing the scematics of a weeaboo, I looked at your icon and realized why you took offense. In fact, everyone who has taken offense has thus far had some really dumb, manga/anime one. So yeah... winning.

But if you're going to sit here and opine about something is it not your responsibility to understand the thing you're talking about? Aren't you just speaking out of your ass if you don't understand the culture and meaning behind what you're describing and yet persist on describing it?


Also, what's wrong with my avatar? Do you have some kind of bigoted feelings against fans of Japanese animation?


Or is it perhaps the melon bread? You hate fruit too?



For your information, weeaboo is a 4chan word. It means anyone who uses it seriously is an idiot (they released a notice about this, I'm not making it up) so yeah, I'd watch my step if I were you cause I don't like being trolled by 4chan.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the confines of Western society, which is where most of us live, Eastern narratives are nonsensical, and people who go out of their way to pretend otherwise are the same people who think a garbage bag floating in the wind is art.

Anime is for little girls and children who are picked on in school, as well as the manchildren they may become.

And 4chan... are people still going to that silly site?

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Since the option to "Quote" isn't working... to anyone who is a smug enough douche bag to think the reason people don't like FFX is that they don't "get it", or other JRPG crap... fuck you. No really, I hate that default sanctimonious bullshit. We get it, the dude's a dream, it's just stupid like a lot of Eastern stories. Maybe if you're a part of that culture you can appreciate it more, but we in the West are raised traditionally to appreciate different, more logical types of stories. Now if you INSIST on being a Goddamn snowflake, go ahead you lame-ass weeaboo, but the rest of us aren't imbeciles, just because we prefer a narative not reliant on God killing manifestations of idiocy.

/endrant

When so many members of the western forum community express this kind of sentiment, it makes it pretty easy to disregard all those criticisms as xenophobic ignorance. I play and like a lot of Western games but this sort of thing makes it annoying to interact with the entire community. On the internet it's not cool to like a lot of things anymore.

I'm sorry, did I attack the Japanese or another culture as being "inferior"? I said that Americans who go out of their way to get all gushy over games that are illogical and stupid and pretend they're something better, usually BECAUSE they're not Western games are idiots. I said that calling people stupid for not liking a game you like because you insist on being "unique" is in itself stupidity. Or are you outright defending the "sound reason" behind the dreams of mages, yada yada, God killed?

Here's the thing, it's not illogical, you're just too close-minded to see that.



Suspension of disbelief is required of you in any game, western or not. If you choose to not do that, and then sit by and call things "stupid" or "illogical" then you're being an idiot. That's not the way to appreciate games. You should let your line of thought get molded by the game you play, you should experience events as though they are supposed to function in the GAME world. You should basically have the distinction, the basic line of difference, the idea that games and reality are NOTTTTTTT the same and that just because a game isn't following reality it doesn't mean it's in any form less legitimate than those that do.



Instead of being combative or calling people who like Japanese things weaboos, how about trying to understand the way these games are supposed to be experienced?





Nobody likes these games just because they're not western. It's not as if you'd take something like call of duty and suddenly more people will be into it if it was made in Japan. It's the intrinsic characteristics of something that is not western the what we like, not the simple fact that it's not western.

First off, I specifically prefaced my rant by saying that if you were a part of that culture, it makes sense to you, I'm sure. Just like if you go to someplace where no one's heard of Christianity and talk about Jesus or whatever, they're gonna look at you like you're fucking nuts. Same holds true here.

As for arguing the scematics of a weeaboo, I looked at your icon and realized why you took offense. In fact, everyone who has taken offense has thus far had some really dumb, manga/anime one. So yeah... winning.

But if you're going to sit here and opine about something is it not your responsibility to understand the thing you're talking about? Aren't you just speaking out of your ass if you don't understand the culture and meaning behind what you're describing and yet persist on describing it?


Also, what's wrong with my avatar? Do you have some kind of bigoted feelings against fans of Japanese animation?


Or is it perhaps the melon bread? You hate fruit too?



For your information, weeaboo is a 4chan word. It means anyone who uses it seriously is an idiot (they released a notice about this, I'm not making it up) so yeah, I'd watch my step if I were you cause I don't like being trolled by 4chan.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the confines of Western society, which is where most of us live, Eastern narratives are nonsensical, and people who go out of their way to pretend otherwise are the same people who think a garbage bag floating in the wind is art.

Anime is for little girls and children who are picked on in school, as well as the manchildren they may become.

And 4chan... are people still going to that silly site?

Maybe to the western world of 50 years ago. In modern society we're all inter-connected enough to have such huge worldwide influences stemming off of China and on a lesser degree Japan affect our every-day life. It is ignorance at it's purest form or simply self-induced seclusion and yes, xenophobia, to pretend the typical Asian philosophy or fairytale is wholly foreign from our cultural conscious.


Anime is art, in Japan it's like how live Hollywood movies are in the US. Pop culture and what have you, your post is either pure trolling or just another good signal of just how ignorant you really are about a ton of things.



You may not go to 4chan but you're affected by it all the same, you use words they made and are being turned into an idiot by them, I'd call that silly too.

 

[Galliam]

I tend to disagree with Bob's opinions both on movies and gaming. However, I recognise this mostly as difference of opinion and a fundamental difference in what we go into gaming and movies wanting or expecting.

Story in gaming is often cliche or just stupid, but so much of the medium is about personal interaction and escapism that I'm generally willing to forgive that fact if I can sufficiently bring myself into the game's world and its characters. Immersion is the key for me in gaming, whether the particular story is great or not. I feel like we're going into games (and movies) expecting the world. Im happy with an action movie if there are good fights, a reasonably believable storyline or lots of splosions.

 

[JoeThree]

Since the option to "Quote" isn't working... to anyone who is a smug enough douche bag to think the reason people don't like FFX is that they don't "get it", or other JRPG crap... fuck you. No really, I hate that default sanctimonious bullshit. We get it, the dude's a dream, it's just stupid like a lot of Eastern stories. Maybe if you're a part of that culture you can appreciate it more, but we in the West are raised traditionally to appreciate different, more logical types of stories. Now if you INSIST on being a Goddamn snowflake, go ahead you lame-ass weeaboo, but the rest of us aren't imbeciles, just because we prefer a narative not reliant on God killing manifestations of idiocy.

/endrant

When so many members of the western forum community express this kind of sentiment, it makes it pretty easy to disregard all those criticisms as xenophobic ignorance. I play and like a lot of Western games but this sort of thing makes it annoying to interact with the entire community. On the internet it's not cool to like a lot of things anymore.

I'm sorry, did I attack the Japanese or another culture as being "inferior"? I said that Americans who go out of their way to get all gushy over games that are illogical and stupid and pretend they're something better, usually BECAUSE they're not Western games are idiots. I said that calling people stupid for not liking a game you like because you insist on being "unique" is in itself stupidity. Or are you outright defending the "sound reason" behind the dreams of mages, yada yada, God killed?

Here's the thing, it's not illogical, you're just too close-minded to see that.



Suspension of disbelief is required of you in any game, western or not. If you choose to not do that, and then sit by and call things "stupid" or "illogical" then you're being an idiot. That's not the way to appreciate games. You should let your line of thought get molded by the game you play, you should experience events as though they are supposed to function in the GAME world. You should basically have the distinction, the basic line of difference, the idea that games and reality are NOTTTTTTT the same and that just because a game isn't following reality it doesn't mean it's in any form less legitimate than those that do.



Instead of being combative or calling people who like Japanese things weaboos, how about trying to understand the way these games are supposed to be experienced?





Nobody likes these games just because they're not western. It's not as if you'd take something like call of duty and suddenly more people will be into it if it was made in Japan. It's the intrinsic characteristics of something that is not western the what we like, not the simple fact that it's not western.

First off, I specifically prefaced my rant by saying that if you were a part of that culture, it makes sense to you, I'm sure. Just like if you go to someplace where no one's heard of Christianity and talk about Jesus or whatever, they're gonna look at you like you're fucking nuts. Same holds true here.

As for arguing the scematics of a weeaboo, I looked at your icon and realized why you took offense. In fact, everyone who has taken offense has thus far had some really dumb, manga/anime one. So yeah... winning.

But if you're going to sit here and opine about something is it not your responsibility to understand the thing you're talking about? Aren't you just speaking out of your ass if you don't understand the culture and meaning behind what you're describing and yet persist on describing it?


Also, what's wrong with my avatar? Do you have some kind of bigoted feelings against fans of Japanese animation?


Or is it perhaps the melon bread? You hate fruit too?



For your information, weeaboo is a 4chan word. It means anyone who uses it seriously is an idiot (they released a notice about this, I'm not making it up) so yeah, I'd watch my step if I were you cause I don't like being trolled by 4chan.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the confines of Western society, which is where most of us live, Eastern narratives are nonsensical, and people who go out of their way to pretend otherwise are the same people who think a garbage bag floating in the wind is art.

Anime is for little girls and children who are picked on in school, as well as the manchildren they may become.

And 4chan... are people still going to that silly site?

Maybe to the western world of 50 years ago. In modern society we're all inter-connected enough to have such huge worldwide influences stemming off of China and on a lesser degree Japan affect our every-day life. It is ignorance at it's purest form or simply self-induced seclusion and yes, xenophobia, to pretend the typical Asian philosophy or fairytale is wholly foreign from our cultural conscious.


Anime is art, in Japan it's like how live Hollywood movies are in the US. Pop culture and what have you, your post is either pure trolling or just another good signal of just how ignorant you really are about a ton of things.



You may not go to 4chan but you're affected by it all the same, you use words they made and are being turned into an idiot by them, I'd call that silly too.

So by saying the average American isn't aware of Oni, or what a Chakra is... that's not accepting the state of the world, that's being xenophobic, which means "A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples."? Again, not judging them objectively here, we're going 100% subjective based on the layman's understanding.

Rather than address if I'm trolling of not, let me just add that melons are gross and anyone who likes them is stupid.

4chan is for people not able to actually survive big boy forums. And furries.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Since the option to "Quote" isn't working... to anyone who is a smug enough douche bag to think the reason people don't like FFX is that they don't "get it", or other JRPG crap... fuck you. No really, I hate that default sanctimonious bullshit. We get it, the dude's a dream, it's just stupid like a lot of Eastern stories. Maybe if you're a part of that culture you can appreciate it more, but we in the West are raised traditionally to appreciate different, more logical types of stories. Now if you INSIST on being a Goddamn snowflake, go ahead you lame-ass weeaboo, but the rest of us aren't imbeciles, just because we prefer a narative not reliant on God killing manifestations of idiocy.

/endrant

When so many members of the western forum community express this kind of sentiment, it makes it pretty easy to disregard all those criticisms as xenophobic ignorance. I play and like a lot of Western games but this sort of thing makes it annoying to interact with the entire community. On the internet it's not cool to like a lot of things anymore.

I'm sorry, did I attack the Japanese or another culture as being "inferior"? I said that Americans who go out of their way to get all gushy over games that are illogical and stupid and pretend they're something better, usually BECAUSE they're not Western games are idiots. I said that calling people stupid for not liking a game you like because you insist on being "unique" is in itself stupidity. Or are you outright defending the "sound reason" behind the dreams of mages, yada yada, God killed?

Here's the thing, it's not illogical, you're just too close-minded to see that.



Suspension of disbelief is required of you in any game, western or not. If you choose to not do that, and then sit by and call things "stupid" or "illogical" then you're being an idiot. That's not the way to appreciate games. You should let your line of thought get molded by the game you play, you should experience events as though they are supposed to function in the GAME world. You should basically have the distinction, the basic line of difference, the idea that games and reality are NOTTTTTTT the same and that just because a game isn't following reality it doesn't mean it's in any form less legitimate than those that do.



Instead of being combative or calling people who like Japanese things weaboos, how about trying to understand the way these games are supposed to be experienced?





Nobody likes these games just because they're not western. It's not as if you'd take something like call of duty and suddenly more people will be into it if it was made in Japan. It's the intrinsic characteristics of something that is not western the what we like, not the simple fact that it's not western.

First off, I specifically prefaced my rant by saying that if you were a part of that culture, it makes sense to you, I'm sure. Just like if you go to someplace where no one's heard of Christianity and talk about Jesus or whatever, they're gonna look at you like you're fucking nuts. Same holds true here.

As for arguing the scematics of a weeaboo, I looked at your icon and realized why you took offense. In fact, everyone who has taken offense has thus far had some really dumb, manga/anime one. So yeah... winning.

But if you're going to sit here and opine about something is it not your responsibility to understand the thing you're talking about? Aren't you just speaking out of your ass if you don't understand the culture and meaning behind what you're describing and yet persist on describing it?


Also, what's wrong with my avatar? Do you have some kind of bigoted feelings against fans of Japanese animation?


Or is it perhaps the melon bread? You hate fruit too?



For your information, weeaboo is a 4chan word. It means anyone who uses it seriously is an idiot (they released a notice about this, I'm not making it up) so yeah, I'd watch my step if I were you cause I don't like being trolled by 4chan.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the confines of Western society, which is where most of us live, Eastern narratives are nonsensical, and people who go out of their way to pretend otherwise are the same people who think a garbage bag floating in the wind is art.

Anime is for little girls and children who are picked on in school, as well as the manchildren they may become.

And 4chan... are people still going to that silly site?

Maybe to the western world of 50 years ago. In modern society we're all inter-connected enough to have such huge worldwide influences stemming off of China and on a lesser degree Japan affect our every-day life. It is ignorance at it's purest form or simply self-induced seclusion and yes, xenophobia, to pretend the typical Asian philosophy or fairytale is wholly foreign from our cultural conscious.


Anime is art, in Japan it's like how live Hollywood movies are in the US. Pop culture and what have you, your post is either pure trolling or just another good signal of just how ignorant you really are about a ton of things.



You may not go to 4chan but you're affected by it all the same, you use words they made and are being turned into an idiot by them, I'd call that silly too.

So by saying the average American isn't aware of Oni, or what a Chakra is... that's not accepting the state of the world, that's being xenophobic, which means "A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples."? Again, not judging them objectively here, we're going 100% subjective based on the layman's understanding.

Rather than address if I'm trolling of not, let me just add that melons are gross and anyone who likes them is stupid.

4chan is for people not able to actually survive big boy forums. And furries.

They may not know it if you ask them on the street but if they see a painting of an Oni they'll obviously figure out something like " an Asian style demon or monster of some sort", even if they don't know the details behind it they'll still be familiar with enough to not make it into a nonsensical confusing spectacle.


Melons and melon bread is not the same btw, it's like a sweet pastry basically, how you have jam on your toast, only less overwhelmingly sweet .


Oh and you forgot the pedophiles, 4chan is apparently their stronghold lmao.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

I am sorry but a lot of Western games do have shit stories. So do Eastern games. There are many clichés and crap things in both sides. Although saying something like one sides story telling is better than the other is stupid. There are plenty of Eastern that do have good stories(at least I think they are good) many Final Fantasies, MGS games, Chrono Trigger, Breath of Fire to name but a few. Yes some of the the stories can get needlessly complicated but I understand them.

There are also Western games with good stories like Bioware's and Bethesda's just to try keep this post short without listing. These games also have horribly repeated clichés. Especially with character personalities with Bioware.

 

[JoeThree]

Since the option to "Quote" isn't working... to anyone who is a smug enough douche bag to think the reason people don't like FFX is that they don't "get it", or other JRPG crap... fuck you. No really, I hate that default sanctimonious bullshit. We get it, the dude's a dream, it's just stupid like a lot of Eastern stories. Maybe if you're a part of that culture you can appreciate it more, but we in the West are raised traditionally to appreciate different, more logical types of stories. Now if you INSIST on being a Goddamn snowflake, go ahead you lame-ass weeaboo, but the rest of us aren't imbeciles, just because we prefer a narative not reliant on God killing manifestations of idiocy.

/endrant

When so many members of the western forum community express this kind of sentiment, it makes it pretty easy to disregard all those criticisms as xenophobic ignorance. I play and like a lot of Western games but this sort of thing makes it annoying to interact with the entire community. On the internet it's not cool to like a lot of things anymore.

I'm sorry, did I attack the Japanese or another culture as being "inferior"? I said that Americans who go out of their way to get all gushy over games that are illogical and stupid and pretend they're something better, usually BECAUSE they're not Western games are idiots. I said that calling people stupid for not liking a game you like because you insist on being "unique" is in itself stupidity. Or are you outright defending the "sound reason" behind the dreams of mages, yada yada, God killed?

Here's the thing, it's not illogical, you're just too close-minded to see that.



Suspension of disbelief is required of you in any game, western or not. If you choose to not do that, and then sit by and call things "stupid" or "illogical" then you're being an idiot. That's not the way to appreciate games. You should let your line of thought get molded by the game you play, you should experience events as though they are supposed to function in the GAME world. You should basically have the distinction, the basic line of difference, the idea that games and reality are NOTTTTTTT the same and that just because a game isn't following reality it doesn't mean it's in any form less legitimate than those that do.



Instead of being combative or calling people who like Japanese things weaboos, how about trying to understand the way these games are supposed to be experienced?





Nobody likes these games just because they're not western. It's not as if you'd take something like call of duty and suddenly more people will be into it if it was made in Japan. It's the intrinsic characteristics of something that is not western the what we like, not the simple fact that it's not western.

First off, I specifically prefaced my rant by saying that if you were a part of that culture, it makes sense to you, I'm sure. Just like if you go to someplace where no one's heard of Christianity and talk about Jesus or whatever, they're gonna look at you like you're fucking nuts. Same holds true here.

As for arguing the scematics of a weeaboo, I looked at your icon and realized why you took offense. In fact, everyone who has taken offense has thus far had some really dumb, manga/anime one. So yeah... winning.

But if you're going to sit here and opine about something is it not your responsibility to understand the thing you're talking about? Aren't you just speaking out of your ass if you don't understand the culture and meaning behind what you're describing and yet persist on describing it?


Also, what's wrong with my avatar? Do you have some kind of bigoted feelings against fans of Japanese animation?


Or is it perhaps the melon bread? You hate fruit too?



For your information, weeaboo is a 4chan word. It means anyone who uses it seriously is an idiot (they released a notice about this, I'm not making it up) so yeah, I'd watch my step if I were you cause I don't like being trolled by 4chan.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the confines of Western society, which is where most of us live, Eastern narratives are nonsensical, and people who go out of their way to pretend otherwise are the same people who think a garbage bag floating in the wind is art.

Anime is for little girls and children who are picked on in school, as well as the manchildren they may become.

And 4chan... are people still going to that silly site?

Maybe to the western world of 50 years ago. In modern society we're all inter-connected enough to have such huge worldwide influences stemming off of China and on a lesser degree Japan affect our every-day life. It is ignorance at it's purest form or simply self-induced seclusion and yes, xenophobia, to pretend the typical Asian philosophy or fairytale is wholly foreign from our cultural conscious.


Anime is art, in Japan it's like how live Hollywood movies are in the US. Pop culture and what have you, your post is either pure trolling or just another good signal of just how ignorant you really are about a ton of things.



You may not go to 4chan but you're affected by it all the same, you use words they made and are being turned into an idiot by them, I'd call that silly too.

So by saying the average American isn't aware of Oni, or what a Chakra is... that's not accepting the state of the world, that's being xenophobic, which means "A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples."? Again, not judging them objectively here, we're going 100% subjective based on the layman's understanding.

Rather than address if I'm trolling of not, let me just add that melons are gross and anyone who likes them is stupid.

4chan is for people not able to actually survive big boy forums. And furries.

They may not know it if you ask them on the street but if they see a painting of an Oni they'll obviously figure out something like " an Asian style demon or monster of some sort", even if they don't know the details behind it they'll still be familiar with enough to not make it into a nonsensical confusing spectacle.


Melons and melon bread is not the same btw, it's like a sweet pastry basically, how you have jam on your toast, only less overwhelmingly sweet .


Oh and you forgot the pedophiles, 4chan is apparently their stronghold lmao.

I heard that to remain a member of 4chan, you need to post a new picture of yourself raping a dog and a baby at the same time every day.

 

[Zaik]

You got trolled by Moviebob again.

The best part is

now dont get me wrong Im not about to go ranting about Moviebob even after all the crazy stuff he said about PC gaming dying I dont have to agree with him all the time to respect his opionion (no not in that case however, that just felt like trolling)

you know he's doing it and you fed it anyway.

Spoiler: This is relevant to your interests.

This is relevant to your interests.

I would love to know how you get paid to troll like that though, that sounds like a lot of fun.

Man, if you honestly think that MovieBob makes these opinions up to get a rise out of his listeners...that's like...you've been trolled by an internet culture that programs you to assume any statement that incites controversy is deliberate trolling. That's like getting inverse trolled.

Controversy is one thing, blanket statements intentionally made to cause these response threads are trolling. Just because he's an official Escapist guy doesn't somehow legitimize obviously stupid opinions.

If you want controversy, head over the the R & P forum.

 

[albinokid66]

This thread will attract a lot of JRPG lovers, but i think this is because JRPG fans are the more serious type of gamer as the games themselves are foreign imports that are strange and unfamiliure to most mainstream audiences who will automatically dismiss it for this reason.

But my two cents is that great Western storylines are out there as prominent as the Japanese ones, its just that the mainstream gamer makes up the majority of the people who play western games and therefore the more story based western games are normally unheard of.

There are plenty examples of brilliant Western storytelling in games the most famous being games like: Planescape Torment, Max Payne, Grim Fandango etc... But that's only a handful of well-known ones.

On the other hand foriegn games that have great storytelling are only known for other reasons e.g. Silent Hill (It's fear factor) SOTC (The giant monsters) Final Fantasy (The graphical advances that VII made)

 

[Fappy]

I can't believe people are still talking about this. Oh man Bob has an unpopular opinion! Get over it.

 

[tzimize]

Meh.

All games have bad stories. Regardless of whether they come from east or west.

Even the really good games are only on the level of a mediocre film or book. Bioshock, Mass Effect 1&2, Dragon Age, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Portal, Half Life 2, Sands of Time, Assassin's Creed, The Longest Journey, whatever.

You can kid yourself all you like but the hard truth is that in terms of storytelling, every single one of them, and any other game you care to name, pales in comparison to a well-written book.

As I'm sure has been pointed out before, its pointless to compare games and books. The media are WAY too different. A book is a story in its purest form, ONLY text, with the readers imagination and knowledge filling in the gaps.

A game is a story thats hidden inside layers and layers of gameplay, graphics and music. Its really impossible to compare in any meaningful way.

That said I've played games that has had stories better than a lot of books. Planescape Torment comes to mind. But not every game is a PT :> And not every book is a Wee Free Men, or whatever book you might find awesome.

 

[Laxman9292]

I am calling major bullshit on that theory. Obviously Bioware makes incredibly engrossing games that hook into your brain and suck you into the story, as well as Obsidian games. However, the game that immediately came to mind as being the single greatest example of video game storytelling was Alan Wake. Maybe it did not have the best gameplay mechanics but goddammit it had a phenomenal story behind it that I could NOT get enough of. If you honestly like generic, androgynous teens joining together to learn the power of friendship and overcoming strife while battling ancient darkness/evil corporations or nations trying to take over a mystical world over the story of Alan Wake, then I believe there is something profoundly wrong with you sir or madam.

 

[Mikeyfell]

Personally I think Tales of Symphonia would make a good movie.

You do know that there is an OVA series of the game out already? =P

First 4 episodes of the Sylvarant arc are out already, and I think there might be more episodes covering the Tethe'alla arc, but I'm not sure, I haven't kept track of it in a while... you might want to check it out!



...Other than that, I don't really have much to add thats on topic...

I was thinking more along the lines of a live action movie
I know the OVA exists. I've seen some of it.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Personally I think Tales of Symphonia would make a good movie.

You do know that there is an OVA series of the game out already? =P

First 4 episodes of the Sylvarant arc are out already, and I think there might be more episodes covering the Tethe'alla arc, but I'm not sure, I haven't kept track of it in a while... you might want to check it out!



...Other than that, I don't really have much to add thats on topic...

I was thinking more along the lines of a live action movie
I know the OVA exists. I've seen some of it.

Live action is inherently wrong for Japanese animation-like things and the Tales series is really anime-like.

 

[dsawyers9]

Mass Effect is a top story game, made by a western company.
As for your minor rant on Moviebob, basically the entire clip was about how "PC" game, as in a bulky Personal Computer that takes up half your room will be no more. The entire clip was discussing how keyboards will be outdated, we wont use mouses like we do now, and our games will be easy to carry and basically portable. I am looking forward to PC gaming dying off. I want new technology that I can use at any time, anywhere.