What do you Define as "Cheap"?

[Evil Tim]

if you want to know this feeling, jump on MW2 and try to go against someone using 1887s. dual-wielded shotguns that have retarded range for a shotgun, and are a 1 hit kill at any range.

Actually, they have fairly accurate range for a ten gauge. It's the dual-wielding / spin-cocking that's the stupid part, since the T2 1887 had to be specially lightened to make that possible; when Arnie accidentally picked up the wrong prop he almost broke his fingers trying to spin-cock it.

Sure, I have had dumb shit like that happen to me. The thing is, it's part of the game. When it happens, you learn what to look for, and you avoid it from the get go.

This becomes a problem when the way to 'avoid' it is to do it yourself, aka the Akuma effect.

 

[Low Key]

Unless it is called beforehand (like "no Ryu"), then nothing is cheap. You just know how to play the game better than those people. Besides, in my experience, if the other person doesn't win, everything is cheap.

You clearly haven't had someone run around a tight corner then stick a grenade to the wall; or had a subterranean apc full of engineers pop up in your base because you didn't pave over EVERYTHING in C&C Tiberian sun.

Sure, I have had dumb shit like that happen to me. The thing is, it's part of the game. When it happens, you learn what to look for, and you avoid it from the get go. Don't follow an enemy down a tight corridor and pave everything over. Seems easy enough to me. I mostly play FPS's and the biggest trouble I have is with snipers and campers. Thanks to killcams, I know exactly where are and I go a different way. They end up dead when I respawn.

Just because someone doesn't play the exact same way you play doesn't make it cheap.

For the C&C example those apcs could tunnel into ground that was on a steep slope which you couldn't pave over. This meant you would always have a weak point to your base paricularly since artillary (which could fire over a quarter of the map) created craters which could never be patched up or paved over and could again be an entry for apcs.

When you stuck a grenade to a wall in Gears of war 2 it did not disappear until the match was over so it could be stuck behind any doorway and be a reliable kill. There is no way you could play the game without ever walking through a doorway, particularly since the grenade would only blow up on your team and couldn't detonate when they walked by.

For fps the homing rocket launcher was guarenteed to get kills on Timesplitters 2 since the rocket could follow you for up to a minute and if you tried to dodge it the rocket would turn and orbit you so you couldn't move until it blew up next to you.

Then it's the game maker's fault for including it. They aren't perfect you know. I suppose you could play as whomever has the burrowing APCs. Was it GDI? Anyways, then whoever you played against couldn't do that, or if you both could be GDI, you could do the same thing back. As for the rocket launcher, if it were me, I'd stand by the person who fired it. At least if I go out, they do too. Or use the rocket launcher yourself when someone does that. That's why it's in the game. I find beating them at their own game tends to work out quite well, then you can get on with playing a regular match.

This becomes a problem when the way to 'avoid' it is to do it yourself, aka the Akuma effect.

So be it. When I do "cheap" things, it's never against someone who doesn't deserve it since they started it.

 

[The Atomic Irishman]

Playing the Sith difficulty in the Force Unleashed. Its supposed to be "Hard Mode" Not "Sadistic" mode.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

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In a sense yes. Otherwise it wouldnt be cheap. examples: M16 in CoD4, 1887s in MW2. Thats all i can think of right now.

what are you getting at anyways??

I am getting so, so sick of watching 1887s in the killcam...

 

[Mr. Blond]

There is no "cheap" for me, just the point at which I realise the people I'm playing with don't care about fun, just pointlessly winning something that in the long run, will never effect their real life.

agreed sir...best possible explaination

 

[Zing]

Dual 1887's. Ridiculously cheap. Cool SHOTGUN that can headshot people from 40 yards just by shooting in their general direction.

Grenade Launcher Attachments, god forbid you be within 20 yards of some nub pelting them across the map. One shots you no matter how damn close you are.

And of course the road runner knifing tools who whiz around a corner and slice you up before you even know they're their.

All of them have something in common, you don't actually have to think or play the game well, both the grenade launcher and akimbo-1887's don't require any real aiming, the crosshair that you need to have an enemy in is like 1/4 of the screen.

They were all fun once I unlocked them, but for me it loses the appeal pretty fast, it's pretty cheese and easy to notice even on the giving end. But of course you're a "scrub" if you don't take advantage of this stuff. So lets all go run around with these things and see how fun the game is then. I don't really blame the players that much, except some of them are incredibly cocky and don't really have a clue of how stupidly easy the stuff they're doing is.

It's IW's fault really..

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In a sense yes. Otherwise it wouldnt be cheap. examples: M16 in CoD4, 1887s in MW2. Thats all i can think of right now.

what are you getting at anyways??

I am getting so, so sick of watching 1887s in the killcam...

I only sit back and laugh when I watch a killcam of some guy with marathon popping out of the corner and head shotting me with Akimbo 1887s, from behind cover that only shows the top of my head... -_-

 

[MetallicaRulez0]

- Anything that is overpowered (M16 from CoD4, Akimbo 1887s from MW2, M/S/S in MvC2)
- Anything that is cowardly (Camping in FPS games, turtling in RTS and other genres)
- Anything that is not intended by the developers (getting outside of maps, "glitches" such as the Javelin glitch)

I'm sure I'm forgetting something, but those are the big ones I think.

 

[Evil Tim]

So be it. When I do "cheap" things, it's never against someone who doesn't deserve it since they started it.

While I don't even slightly sympathise with the OP's complaint [he wanted to show off his cheap tactics and was shocked and appalled that top-tier players have discovered even cheaper ones], there is a valid argument that some things don't appeal to the players at the highest level either; generally, ones so overpowered they drastically limit the scope of play. A Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo contest where everyone plays as Akuma is rather drab, and usually tournament rules are made to prevent such things actually happening.

 

[-Datura-]

FALCON 4.0 -- $13

Bitches Don't Know Bout My "All Time Classic" Award

 

[CD repo man]

Cheap= x < $10 oh how i joke.

Cheap, to me (in fighting games) is basically pressing the same attack button over and over until the desired results are acquired.

 

[Keepitclean]

I feel that if its in the game its fair. Accept for people deliberatly knocking you off the track in games like forza so that they're friend can get the win and martydom in CoD4. I dont care so mcuh about martyrdom as I dont play it online, when I have I'm at my friends houses and it shits me.

 

[Low Key]

So be it. When I do "cheap" things, it's never against someone who doesn't deserve it since they started it.

While I don't even slightly sympathise with the OP's complaint [he wanted to show off his cheap tactics and was shocked and appalled that top-tier players have discovered even cheaper ones], there is a valid argument that some things don't appeal to the players at the highest level either; generally, ones so overpowered they drastically limit the scope of play. A Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo contest where everyone plays as Akuma is rather drab, and usually tournament rules are made to prevent such things actually happening.

Okay, then only play tournaments or don't play online. I don't know what you want me to say. I haven't played fighting games (except for a random game at my friends place) for almost 15 years. The majority of people who play them, in my experience, don't take fun into consideration. It's all about stacking combos and bettering their stats, but when it's 1 on 1, that's kinda how it'll always be.

 

[TransMando]

Wii games... if we were talking strictly in monetary values, which we are not.

RPG's are cheap during online play for most FPS. I hate RPG's.

 

[Mr. GameBrain]

Any version of Akuma I consider cheap, but only because he has a larger variety of moves than other characters, AND he can 'teleport'-ish.
He doesn't have many counters in most of the games he's in, but he is more balanced in Street fighter 4, (not as cheap as Seth and Gouken! ).
If I did a tournament I would ban him, along with the top teir out of SSBM, and Snake from Brawl.

 

[Lazy Kitty]

50 Euro's for 18 games. That's cheap.

@ OP: What you did wasn't cheap, it's called strategy.

 

[DerangedBeing]

[he wanted to show off his cheap tactics and was shocked and appalled that top-tier players have discovered even cheaper ones]

Maybe I should rewrite my Origonal Post then. The "swelled" head part was the fact that I was winning matches. I usually don't ever play Online unless I've managed to get good enough offline first, usually in a public setting (my first exception was the left4dead series). Once I've gotten enough wins or played far enough to know what I'm doing, my back bone grows a bit, my head swells with pride, and I attempt to join the online community.

I personally didn't think I was being cheap at all, and several of the kids I fought didn't have a problem with how I played. I fought kids that would do nothing but spam the tag-in-attack. I've fought kids that would simply sit in a corner and do nothing but completely projectile spam and then hyper combo finish (fighting tripple Megamans was annoying as Hell). It was some of the kids that lost early on that came back and called me out for being cheap.

 

[Crystal Cuckoo]

The noob tube (grenade launcher) in COD4.

"Dur, I could aim at your head/body with my ironsights and shoot there, but I'd rather aim roughly at your feet and launch an explosive."

I only let it go for players under level 15. Hey, we were all new once, right?

 

[lenneth]

the Jab Locks that anyone with a Rapid A can do.

Those are actually really easy to get out of