What do you guys think about teen pregnancy?

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AlloAllo

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AndyFromMonday said:
AlloAllo said:
d?

Wait, I should prepare a speech. *A-ehm*: "Since when I started studying pedagogy, I knew that I had to ruin a child's life by giving birth to him without first reading essays and statistics..."

If you're a teenager and choose to have a baby, pretty much.
...that is quite a bizzarre nonsequitor.

But it's okay, I'll surely remember the lesson that I've learned today- that I must ALWAYS talk to a professional before doing anything. How DARE I not check the statistics before looking for uni?

But, of course, only if they agree with you. If they don't, they're obviously wrong.


...Jesus, I'm getting terribly off topic. I apologise to the one that started the thread- I'll refrain from continuing with this discussion.
 

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Istvan said:
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Teen mothers is not something I approve of.
Depending on how it came about, you could blame the father more so or atleast equally.
I'm fairly certain child support check was the primary motivation, hence the half-brothers.[/quote]

I did not say that...
 

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x EvilErmine x said:
Biologically speaking, it's one of the best things you can do if your a woman who wants children. As anyone who knows about the physiology of the female reproductive system will know a woman is born with all the eggs she will ever have, this is problematic as the the entropic decay of the eggs begins before birth. Children of young mothers tend to be healthier and suffer from fewer genetic hereditary conditions that are passed on form the maternal line.

AlcyoneSong said:
Biologically a woman's body wants to have children young, it's at it's most fertile and ready for the challenge, and the longer you leave it the more dangerous it becomes for both mother and child.
Sorry but both of you are dead wrong. Latest medical studies:

http://www.utexas.edu/news/2004/08/18/nr_sociology/

One part in particular:

?Many U.S. women going to college currently delay first birth to around age 30, which is about 12 to 14 years after the end of puberty,? Mirowsky said. ?Obstetricians and gynecologists are worried about this long a delay, because women?s reproductive systems are at peak function a year or two after the end of adolescent growth. Despite this, my literature review and data analyses find that delay of first birth until the late 20s or early 30s is associated with the best health outcomes for the infant and mother.?

The study shows a high level of current health problems among women who first gave birth in or shortly after puberty. Problems drop steadily the longer that first birth was delayed, up to about age 34, and then rise steeply again after about age 40. Comparison to non-mothers of similar age and race/ethnicity shows that the correlation of motherhood with health problems and mortality hazard switches from detrimental to beneficial with delay beyond about age 22.

?To our knowledge, this is the first study to map the hazard of death by age at first birth,? Mirowsky said.

Results show the highest mortality risks for mothers who had first births nearest puberty and the lowest mortality risks for mothers who had their first births in their 30s, while non-mothers are somewhere in the middle. Mothers whose first births occur at age 19 or later begin to gain advantage over non-mothers.

Results consistently support the bio-social view that women?s health benefits from delaying motherhood as long as possible. They consistently contradict the bio-developmental view that women?s health benefits form starting soon after puberty, when the body?s reproductive and other systems are at a youthful peak.


Women who are concerned about the health of themselves and their children would do well to wait until at least their mid 20's, possibly longer.
 

VanTesla

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AndyFromMonday said:
VanTesla said:
Lack of education from parents or how to prevent pregnancy while having sex.

The male is as much to blame if he decides to not use a condom and should be held as accountable (does not happen for most cases I know...). I knew girls that looked down on other girls that intentionally get pregnant and it should be for those twits. If it was an accident and let's say the girl was not given education about prevention then they should not be looked down upon.

Education on sex and safe sex is the best combatant.
Looking down on teenage girls getting pregnant? I'm against teenage parenthood myself but pregnancy during the teenage years is an extremely traumatic experience for both parties involved. Teenage pregnancies usually occur either due to misinformation regarding safe sexual practices or rape. We should attempt to support both potential parents and encourage them to do the right thing, not ostracize them for it.
I said not to look down upon the unplanned ones. I said teens that do it on purpose like pacts are to be looked down upon. I am against any sort of ostraciing for it hurts the growing childs development.
 

AndyFromMonday

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AlloAllo said:
...that is quite a bizzarre nonsequitor.

But it's okay, I'll surely remember the lesson that I've learned today- that I must ALWAYS talk to a professional before doing anything. How DARE I not check the statistics before looking for uni?

But, of course, only if they agree with you. If they don't, they're obviously wrong.


...Jesus, I'm getting terribly off topic. I apologise to the one that started the thread- I'll refrain from continuing with this discussion.
Way to completely miss the point. I suggest you reread the sentence and focus more on the "teenage" bit.
 

AndyFromMonday

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I said not to look down upon the unplanned ones. I said teens that do it on purpose like pacts are to be looked down upon. I am against any sort of ostraciing for it hurts the growing childs development.
That's a thing? Even if it is, why look down upon it? The people involved obviously have some psychological issues that need solving. Ostracizing them doesn't help solve their problems, quite the opposite actually.
 

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i don't think its particularly smart, but i'd never make decisions like this for someone else. it doesn't really effect me or anyone else, so they can do what the fuck they want.
 

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AndyFromMonday said:
xmbts said:
I'll just have to politely disagree with you on that one, opinions and stuff.

And I'm a psyche major, I've had classes that cover a good portion of this as well as being the product of a teen mom surrounded by teen moms it just hits a little close to home.
You have a psych major and you can honestly claim teenagers are fit to be parents? You're either lying or just plain have no idea what you're talking about.
That's kind of rude, maybe because I'm a psyche major with personal experience in the matter I know more about what I'm talking about, either way I'm done here.
 

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xmbts said:
That's kind of rude, maybe because I'm a psyche major with personal experience in the matter I know more about what I'm talking about, either way I'm done here.
Doesn't matter if it's rude. If you're willing to ignore the literature and all the psychologists against teenage parenthood just because your mother had you as a teenager means you simply have no idea what you're talking about. The fact that you have a psych major makes this a bit scary since you might actually end up telling pregnant teenagers to go ahead and have the child.
 

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I suppose, being the result of an unplanned teenage pregnancy, my very existence makes me biased towards it not being as awful as many people think. I don't regard it as the apocalypse, and no, it's not necessarily the end for the teenagers in question. Ironically, my own mother was hurt more by the man who she married and had planned pregnancies with than she ever was with my own father. I also have a friend who has a baby. She admits that she regrets some of the opportunities she has and will miss as a result, but her child is the greatest thing that has ever happened to her, and I think she's a fantastic mother.
Personally (I'm 18, by the way), I would wait before considering having a child. I do have a girlfriend, but we practice safe sex, and use a few methods of birth control. I want to wait until there's a stable environment for raising a child, and I know that I'm with the right person. That, and the fact that my mother has threatened to castrate me if I make her a grandmother before she's forty?
 

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For god sakes if they're going to have sex then get on the birth control. Shit my school helps girls get birth control if they don't want their parents finding out they're having sex. You know why? BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PREVENT TEEN GIRLS FROM HAVING BABIES!

Condoms too. Use them. At least give yourself a chance of not getting pregnant!

And fuck those Teen Mom shows, or 16 and pregnant. They just put into the heads of teen girls that if they get pregnant, they can get on tv. Look, I know there are some girls out there who can juggle having a baby and attending school and having a job. I've know a few, but most of the time they're not ready.

Sorry, but I just can't wrap my brain around why teenage girls would want a baby. Then again, I don't like babies.
 

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x EvilErmine x said:
Biologically speaking, it's one of the best things you can do if your a woman who wants children. As anyone who knows about the physiology of the female reproductive system will know a woman is born with all the eggs she will ever have, this is problematic as the the entropic decay of the eggs begins before birth. Children of young mothers tend to be healthier and suffer from fewer genetic hereditary conditions that are passed on form the maternal line.

Biologically a woman's body wants to have children young, it's at it's most fertile and ready for the challenge, and the longer you leave it the more dangerous it becomes for both mother and child.
Sorry but both of you are dead wrong (I think you messed up the quote here, both of the ones you posted are from me.). Latest medical studies:

http://www.utexas.edu/news/2004/08/18/nr_sociology/

One part in particular:
?Many U.S. women going to college currently delay first birth to around age 30, which is about 12 to 14 years after the end of puberty,? Mirowsky said. ?Obstetricians and gynecologists are worried about this long a delay, because women?s reproductive systems are at peak function a year or two after the end of adolescent growth. Despite this, my literature review and data analyses find that delay of first birth until the late 20s or early 30s is associated with the best health outcomes for the infant and mother.?

The study shows a high level of current health problems among women who first gave birth in or shortly after puberty. Problems drop steadily the longer that first birth was delayed, up to about age 34, and then rise steeply again after about age 40. Comparison to non-mothers of similar age and race/ethnicity shows that the correlation of motherhood with health problems and mortality hazard switches from detrimental to beneficial with delay beyond about age 22.

?To our knowledge, this is the first study to map the hazard of death by age at first birth,? Mirowsky said.

Results show the highest mortality risks for mothers who had first births nearest puberty and the lowest mortality risks for mothers who had their first births in their 30s, while non-mothers are somewhere in the middle. Mothers whose first births occur at age 19 or later begin to gain advantage over non-mothers.

Results consistently support the bio-social view that women?s health benefits from delaying motherhood as long as possible. They consistently contradict the bio-developmental view that women?s health benefits form starting soon after puberty, when the body?s reproductive and other systems are at a youthful peak.


Women who are concerned about the health of themselves and their children would do well to wait until at least their mid 20's, possibly longer.
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Well that is interesting. I would really like to see his finding in full. I note however that this is a data study and analysis and not a clinical study which it really should have been for him to make such a claim against the accepted wisdom.
I'm sure using the data gained from 2,215 women, 25 years or older from the 1986 U.S. survey of Americans? Changing Lives is good enough statistical analysis however a wider cross section of the female population would be needed for any scientifically significant conclusions to be made and also something more up to date too that survey is over two decades old. Also the survey does not include any samples from women below the age of 25. Thus i would have to conclude that the data used to draw the conclusion "Women who are concerned about the health of themselves and their children would do well to wait until at least their mid 20's, possibly longer." must have come form extrapolation, which should never be used to base ones conclusions upon...that's just bad science.
I'm not saying he is wrong but i do think more work needs to be done before he can advise women to have children later in life. Also the study does not make clear what the mechanism is nor what these health problems are and fails to distinguish between health problems and mortality, which is a big difference.
 

Tommeh Brownleh

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Personally I oppose pregnancy of any sort... so having the little b****es having more babies at a younger age, that just pisses me off.
 

flaviok79

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I just thank the Maker that I got through my teens and twnties without getting any teens pregnant.
 

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There is a girl at my shool who had a baby at 13. I don't feel sorry for her though, mainly because she is kind of a dick to me.

OT: Hey man, I really don't care what other people do with their life, but from my point of view it seems pretty damn stupid.
 

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AndyFromMonday said:
xmbts said:
That's kind of rude, maybe because I'm a psyche major with personal experience in the matter I know more about what I'm talking about, either way I'm done here.
Doesn't matter if it's rude. If you're willing to ignore the literature and all the psychologists against teenage parenthood just because your mother had you as a teenager means you simply have no idea what you're talking about. The fact that you have a psych major makes this a bit scary since you might actually end up telling pregnant teenagers to go ahead and have the child.
Not ignoring anything most of what I've learned is that most of the difficulties of teen parenthood have nothing to do with age but from societal pressures caused by people who think they're unfit parents.

=/
 

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Unfortunately it will always happen no matter what. Unfortunately kids seem to be getting more and more stupid as time passes. Or they refuse to think of possible consequences. And unfortunately I don't believe there is anything society can/is willing to do about it.