Sure, there have been evil atheists. Does not make atheism itself bad. There have been evil religious people and acts but that is not what makes religion bad. It's the fact that these acts were done in the name of religion.RiouChan said:
What do you think is the greatest epic fail for humanity?
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I don't follow. Surely if we had a spare hand, we wouldn't need nearly as many bags?Lancer873 said:
Well anyway, unless there are skilled ninjas about this one hasn't been mentioned yet: the origional interactions between the Native Americans and the European Settlers in America. Let's be honest, that couldn't have gone much worse could it? The resulting conflict was almost entirely unnesesary and fueled entirely by ignorance and greed; the two ways of life - locatios of living, gathering resources, etc - could have been easily compatible, if people were willing to give as well as take.
Friendly advice, putting up a outright raging post, against a sect of people which more times then not believe in something outside a set of grounded rules based upon personal belief, and saying that their belief is the cause much pain and suffering across the world, in which itself is limited from the looks of it, can get you a nice warning and maybe even a suspension.Saelune said:
On the Escapist, while not always, we MUST respect another persons point of view, even if you disagree with them. While I disagree with you because currently you're looking things from a pseudo-post progressive (nice rhyme, never notice it before) view with sever limitation on how things actually work without seeing the whole picture, I suggest in the future, you at least quell your outright fever to write such things and tone them done abit.
It's not for political correctness or to keep your voice down, or hell, to even keep the topic clean, but if you want to have your opinion respected, you could start by respecting the others beliefs.
On-Topic: Biggest human failure for me would have to the human notion and understanding of our world. How we went from an assassination of a single person to WW, how we went from having religion be an idea and guide into a full blown agenda for some of us, and how we went from using resources to better ourselves and the future, in stagnating and not evolving and dribbling to the last barrels of oil.
We human are about 100,000 years ahead of the evolutionary curve, make what you will out of it, it's just a surprise that now, at this point in life, when we need to really change as creatures, we're still using a very restrictive mindset to get things done, and not budging on the smallest things.
I don't need to go any further then this video here, while I don't agree with all of it, and if you block out the general hippiesm in it, and focus on the more sound parts, you'll see as a good video.
http://www.youtube.com/user/jordanduchnycz#p/u/5/buQzRtkAMN8
The Library of Alexandria, without a doubt. As much as I hate to admit such a thing, all the wanton death and war created some advancements. Destroying the Library of Alexandria essentially pressed the reset button on humanity's accomplishments.
Religion is the cause of free thought and motivation for many great people in history. And most of those warlords who murder so many people in the name of religion just use their religion as a scapegoat. They are just pushing individual goals.Saelune said:
As many others have said, the burning of the library of Alexandria. It had early schematics for the steam engine dammit!
Hmmm, I'm an atheist and OH BOY do I feel like starting a genocide today! Meanwhile, I am going to sip some coffee out of a child's hollowed out skull and skin some people alive just for the fun of it.RiouChan said:
Aren't we atheists horrible monsters?
Morals, good, evil, right, wrong, it's all dependent on zeitgeist. If you want objectivity, you look at the facts. Religion doesn't hurt anyone, it's the people commandeering it that do. And being an Atheist does not mean that you are automatically an immoral beast that eats babies and starts wars for amusement.
Why? Please, for the love of your god, tell me why?StormShaun said:
It is extraordinarily difficult to pick out single things that account for our greatest tragedies. Everything is completely grounded in what came before it, and so much of our history was decided by chance and circumstance. Hitler never getting into art school is a classic answer to this kind of question; the aftermath of WWII was so integral to the current state of world politics, who knows where mankind would have gone?
For single acts of tragedy, I'd concur with the loss of the Library of Alexandria, and the collective amnesia following the Roman Empire that was the dark ages. There's just no solace in the loss of information.
For single acts of tragedy, I'd concur with the loss of the Library of Alexandria, and the collective amnesia following the Roman Empire that was the dark ages. There's just no solace in the loss of information.
While I actually agree with the sentiment, you still have to separate religion itself from the people who abuse others using religion as a means. Spirituality has been part of human existence forever, from the first stories told around open fires. It's the minute people started to claim they spoke for a higher power and had the right to tell others what to do that we had a massive problem.Saelune said:
Anything that causes immense amounts of pain and suffering without any rational necessity for it. I'd go with religion. Not spirituality, I'm talking about tight religious dogma that affects many people based on an extreme minority's interpretation of absolute authority.
I suppose you could also look at politics in much the same way. No wonder those subjects aren't meant to be brought up in polite company!
I suppose you could also look at politics in much the same way. No wonder those subjects aren't meant to be brought up in polite company!
The fact that "Epic fail" is even a sentence that we use. Really, I may sound like an old man, but do you crazy kids know what an "Epic" even is.
And even as a right wing kind of guy: Glenn Beck. He is far to alarmist. Also, DDT is a weird thing to be working towards.
Oh, and the fanfictions: My Immortal and Cloud Mows The Lawn
Avoid them if you can
And even as a right wing kind of guy: Glenn Beck. He is far to alarmist. Also, DDT is a weird thing to be working towards.
Oh, and the fanfictions: My Immortal and Cloud Mows The Lawn
Avoid them if you can
Really? Germany was OK until Wilhelm II. I mean, there was the whole Africa thing, but I don't really think it's Bismarck's fault that everyone else reacted the way they did.Luykus said:
OT: Hmm.... Belgians in the Congo? Leeches? The US Senate's response to The Economic Consequences of the Peace? It's hard to pick one (other than the Holocaust and other such obvious ones, of course)
Care to elaborate? My only source, Wikipoodia, seems to think such an event happened on 4 occasions; which are you talking about?Cogwheel said:
We get it, a lot of people hate religion, but the world stopped caring about such biased opinions a long time ago. How are the casualties religion causes "still going strong"? When did part of the world take up arms against another religion (The Crusades don't count, that was quite a while ago)?. Religion in the past was simply abused by the powerful by inciting fear in their subjects. What about wars, death and destruction committed in the name of "liberty"?Saelune said:
Oooh ho-ho, feel - the - burn.lacktheknack said:
As for myself: colonisation. Had the Americas not been discovered and forcibly colonised, we wouldn't have had to suffer the North American and South American wars of independence, nor would entire cultures have been needlessly wiped out.
seconding this, cause well, they're rightSaelune said:
also, racists, hating on some one for being a dick, fine, hating on some one for being lazy, fine, hating on some one for having a different skin color, fail most epic
also gonna add a general lack of acceptance of other peoples 'likes and dislikes', this is a massive problem every where, but seemingly more so on the internet