What game would you cast into the pits of hell

[Pandabearparade]

Then by you logic NV has a forced plot.

No. It's pathetic that you're even trying to make this argument.

You are forced to find Benny, forced to find the damn chip, forced to travel along a set route and forced to help Primm and Novac. By god what an atrocious story! I have to do things!

Enjoy giving that straw man a beating? Because that's all you're doing. The problem with Fallout 3 isn't that the plot forces you to do -something- to advance, it's that you have literally only one option throughout the entire game. The tacked on 'ebil' ending just doesn't count, because it's not something any sane character who would have done all of the previously railroaded choices would do.

It also suffers from black and white morality with a bit more grey (it's a good sequel so it improved the damn game), only an asshole would side with the Legion in real life, they're your black as fucking pitch faction.

I agree that Legion should have been made less starkly evil, but they at least have ideals and a philosophy to justify what they do, unlike the Fallout 3 Enclave.

With how many people die in the Wastes how many orphans do you think there are? And besides there's this thing called puberty, most kids can reproduce under the age of 16 (though not advised) and there's no adult supervision. What the hell do you think they do?

So what you're suggesting is that a colony of children have a stable reproductive population in a dirty cave for several generations? And this is a serious argument you're making?

Look, Fallout 3 is a fun game if you turn your brain off, but you're trying to justify something completely moronic. I suggest giving up.

The GECK just sounds like a stupid effect, I don't know why it's a big issue.

It's a big issue because the GECK is the McGuffin-battery that powers the plot along, and doesn't make any sense. The entire plot to Fallout 3 falls apart for that reason, really. None of it makes any sense. It's a good thing the appeal of the game isn't story.

If people refuse to take off their nostalgic glasses

I have never played Fallout 1 or 2 past the introduction quests. I am judging Fallout 3 on its own merits, in its own context, without looking at it with any nostalgia at all. It's a good game, but with -awful- writing.

 

[AlternatePFG]

Really? Fallout 3? I mean, yeah the game had a ridiculously stupid plot and pissed on Fallout canon, but there was really nothing redeeming about that game at all? Yeah, I prefer New Vegas but it's not like it there wasn't stuff going for Fallout 3 on it's own merits. Come on.

Same with Dragon Age 2, it was a mediocre game but it wasn't like it was awful.

@Blatherscythe: Look, I don't think you can defend Little Lamplight. It was a stupid location, and probably shouldn't have been in the game.

On-topic: Yeah, Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel is probably the best example if you want the Fallout series.

 

[Johnny Reb]

Shaq Fu

If you know what im talking about, then may god have mercy on your soul.

 

[Pandabearparade]

Really? Fallout 3?

To be clear, I wasn't the one who listed Fallout 3, I just can't tolerate someone trying to justify Little Lamplight, or the Magic GECK.

 

[AlternatePFG]

Really? Fallout 3?

To be clear, I wasn't the one who listed Fallout 3, I just can't tolerate someone trying to justify Little Lamplight, or the Magic GECK.

Yeah, I know. I agree, the writing was awful, but that's not why I would play a Bethesda game anyway.

 

[Inkidu]

Really? Fallout 3?

To be clear, I wasn't the one who listed Fallout 3, I just can't tolerate someone trying to justify Little Lamplight, or the Magic GECK.

I'm not saying the GECK is magic, but the idea that it can purify a tidal basin's worth of water of radiation should be pretty reasonable for the future-tech of the universe. Little Lamplight... it could happen. Children of the Corn anyone? Though, I'd be the first to admit it relies a lot on the willful suspension of disbelief more than any other element.

EDIT: I also didn't start this[/ass covered]

 

[Danny 6Speed]

Just came here to count the CoD

 

[claymoreguy18]

The darkness. I. Fucking. Hate. You.

 

[FalloutJack]

The darkness. I. Fucking. Hate. You.

"And that was the 18th time I died."

OT: I'm opting for Final Fantasy 8 on this one. Those who know me already know why. Those who actually like FF8? Try not to take it personally this time. It only makes you look bad.

 

[HerbertTheHamster]

Dante's Inferno

dohohohohohohoho

No really, Half Life 2. I expected loads o alien guns and clever puzzles, instead I got a generic shooter and bad physics. Graphics were decent for the time though, and it actually HAD a story (albeit a pretty weak one, like most video games)

 

[bobmd13]

Iam sorry if someone has said it but MOO3 (master of orion).

I mean lets remove all micromanagement from a game that lived on micromanagement.

As one reviewer pointed out after playing it you can leave it on auto and the game will win in about 6 hours I mean what the hell?

A game that should have never been released , you know things are wrong when you have no demo's and no reviews until after it is released. Add to that Amazon (a company known for it generosity) gave a $20 dollar gift voucher with every copy purchased at $19.99.

I rest my case.


PS. I will give an honourable mention to Hellgate London on the grounds that the beta players said no but EA forced it out. As a buyer at release I think that the great game killer was server instability on release and the fact that guilds had to pay a monthly fee for a game that was unfinished.

A second major nomination in games that should never have been released is the Games for Windows Shadowrun. Microsoft buy the second largest RPG license and turn it into a FPS shooter with a limited number of maps.

WTF.

This is a license that screams RPG or MMO not a FPS. The addons for this game cover the world and believe me the UK one for Ireland is well researched. No thinking needed, just translate it into a game world.

Here as a FUBAR by Microsoft.

 

[Grunt_Man11]

Spyro: Enter the Dragonfly

Oh god, why did I buy this shitty game? What was I on!?

The original PS1 trilogy by Insomniac was excellent. Then came this one. The first one PS2. What a buggy, choppy frame rate filled, badly designed piece of crap.

Except for one small part. Gives me an idea for a thread.

Anyway, that is what I would cast into the Pits of Hell. That and Shinobi for the PS2.

 

[Inkidu]

The darkness. I. Fucking. Hate. You.

"And that was the 18th time I died."

OT: I'm opting for Final Fantasy 8 on this one. Those who know me already know why. Those who actually like FF8? Try not to take it personally this time. It only makes you look bad.

I like eight, but I understand the hatred. Though, I'd rather see seven rot for the monster it created that people call fans.

 

[Pandabearparade]

I'm not saying the GECK is magic, but the idea that it can purify a tidal basin's worth of water of radiation should be pretty reasonable for the future-tech of the universe.

Purifying water isn't that hard even using technology from over half a century ago in the real world. Though I'm willing to pretend that radiation is magic, like Fallout 3 wants me to think, but that still doesn't excuse using a GECK to purify water when they explain that it's a magical terraforming device that turns arid, worthless land into fertile, lush land. Seems to me that food would be much, much harder to get in the DC area, since there are no farms, and everyone is living off of two century old twinkies.

Little Lamplight... it could happen.

No, it really couldn't. I'm not trying to be ridiculously nitpicky here, but suspension of disbelief only forces me to buy into a broad premise, not every little detail. I can buy into a retro-futurist wasteland full of mutants and laser guns, but they're asking me to believe that a bunch of children maintain a breeding population for over a century (read the terminals, it's over a century), and somehow kick out every adult? Sorry, I just can't buy that.

 

[FalloutJack]

The darkness. I. Fucking. Hate. You.

"And that was the 18th time I died."

OT: I'm opting for Final Fantasy 8 on this one. Those who know me already know why. Those who actually like FF8? Try not to take it personally this time. It only makes you look bad.

I like eight, but I understand the hatred. Though, I'd rather see seven rot for the monster it created that people call fans.

As one who was introduced to RPGs via 7, I politely nod your point as fans DO ruin it for everybody sometimes.

 

[Inkidu]

Edit: Real reply. Tired of my twichy damn mouse!

I'm not saying the GECK is magic, but the idea that it can purify a tidal basin's worth of water of radiation should be pretty reasonable for the future-tech of the universe.

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Little Lamplight... it could happen.

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Now, forgive me if I'm mistaken, but the GECK is the goal of Fallout 2. I'm trying to get through Fallout 1 right now, but the obtuseness has reached all new heights as of late. Did they ever say if it transformed Arrayo as advertised? Because if it's one thing I've learned from Fallout nothing ever works out exactly like it should. Plus it's been characterized as an unstable and probably very fragile device. It might have been scavenged, but for all anyone actually knows the purpose of the GECK is to create pure water. Water is life, with it life restores. That's why early civilizations always spring up around rivers.

On Lamplight. I'm willing to believe that some things just shouldn't be done, yeah you could have a bunch of little kids living in a cave for a couple of hundred years, but honestly I don't want to play a game with massively inbred mutant children with eating disorders. I'm willing to let them whitewash over the proverbial puke scene.

 

[kijebe]

Dante's Inferno

dohohohohohohoho

No really, Half Life 2. I expected loads o alien guns and clever puzzles, instead I got a generic shooter and bad physics. Graphics were decent for the time though, and it actually HAD a story (albeit a pretty weak one, like most video games)

wait... what?

half life 2 was fine, quite good in fact

it may not have had the best graphics, but it had a solid story, great SDK and the female character didnt flaunt cleavage every 30 seconds, (in other words she almost seemed human)

 

[SoranMBane]

Dante's Inferno. Oh, wait...

Seriously, though; if it weren't for this game, this game's ad campaign, and the ad campaign for that other, much better game they made, I'd be able to fully respect Visceral as a developer. How is it that they can make something as mediocre and derivative as this and then jump right into something as truly excellent as Dead Space 2? It boggles my mind.

 

[electric method]

The games that get my vote to burn for all eternity are Two Worlds 1 and 2, that obnoxious cell shaded Prince of Persia, Section 8, and Azurik: Rise of Perathia. Oh and, Malice.

If you've never had the "pleasure" of hearing of, or playing, Azurik or Malice be very glad. Both were original Xbox games and both were incredibly bad.