What has Bioware got left to offer?

[idarkphoenixi]

Jade Empire. People have been trying to make them go back to that thing for years and they've never listened, perhaps now is the time. I dunno about Dragon Age not standing out though, I can't think of anything I'd really compare it to. Elder Scrolls maybe but I do think there's room for a few more Dragon Age games.

Jade Empire wasn't as successful as they would have preferred it to be. And theres not much chance of EA letting them take that kind of risk. The only thing that might come close is a HD remake, since they seem to getting unfortunately popular these days.

 

[kouriichi]

Why do people think they are going to just die? -_-
Bioware has a lot to offer still. More Mass Effect games, ToR is still doing well, Jade Empire is always a possibility and then theres the next Dragon Age game.

Anyone who just says "Bioware is going to die" needs to think about all the good times they had in Bioware games. Dont let one or two Below Par moments ruin your view of the company. "OMG ME3 ENDING SO BAD BIOWARE IS DED TO MEH!!", "OMG DA2 TERRIBAD NEVER FORGIVING", is basically the only argument for Bioware not doing so hot. But their games were still released, still had good sales, and are (most importantly) still loved by a majority of their real fanbase.

Bioware isnt going anywhere. Its not going to die, because short of the 1 or 2 mistakes theyve made, they are still one of the best companies out there, even if they are owned by EA. I guess Minecraft is officially dead because they added a final boss. Lets send Notch 1000 cupcakes with enderman faces on them to say "You ruined one of our favorite games by officially releasing it".

>.>; geeze. Some people are drama llamas. The first thing something happens they dont like, everyone should freak out about it.

 

[Iron Criterion]

Exactly, they're going to die. EA are making sure of that.

Going to die?

Mass effect series - dead

Dragon age series - dead (because DA2 was a such a piece of crap)

SW:tor - will be dead in under a year


Bioware has utterly lost its reputation people who are still buying there games are either blind fan boys, or people who dont care about the quility of video games.

Shut up maybe?

They could bring back Jade Empire, make a new single player KOTOR, or a completely new IP (their games have a style adaptable to a lot of settings). They are also making Dragon Age 3.

 

[Agayek]

Come back when you learn the meaning of the word entitled.

entitled [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/entitled?s=t]
adjective
qualified for by right according to law;

In a business transaction, each party has something the other wants. Each party has the legal right to agree to the transaction or walk away. Thus, each party is entitled to that choice.

Furthermore, a buyer has legal rights to certain things. This is known as "Consumer Protection [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_protection]" or "Consumer Rights". It varies from country to country, but the basic premise is that sellers are not able to lie or cheat to get the buyer's money. This also extends to criticism of the product (at least in the US), believe it or not. Citizens have the legal right (and thus entitlement) to petition a seller for a change to the product, or to just ***** about it.

The seller also has the legal right to decide meeting customer requests is not worth the cost.

In short, in any transaction, the buyer has the legal right to ask for whatever they want from a transaction, in whatever fashion they deem fit (as long as the requests do not violate any other law). Thus, they are entitled to it. The only thing the customer is not entitled to is the agreement of the seller.

 

[Agayek]

Most of your complaints about crafting and the economy may have had some validity before 1.2, they certainly don't now. Endgame progression and PVP is much more balanced now, along with endgame operations being MUCH harder than the previous tier.

Excellent. Like I said in my post, it looked like they were moving towards fixing the biggest problems. I got a month of free play time with the legacy patch so I might have to reinstall and come check it out.

 

[TheCruxis]

Why do people think they are going to just die? -_-
Bioware has a lot to offer still. More Mass Effect games, ToR is still doing well, Jade Empire is always a possibility and then theres the next Dragon Age game.

Anyone who just says "Bioware is going to die" needs to think about all the good times they had in Bioware games. Dont let one or two Below Par moments ruin your view of the company. "OMG ME3 ENDING SO BAD BIOWARE IS DED TO MEH!!", "OMG DA2 TERRIBAD NEVER FORGIVING", is basically the only argument for Bioware not doing so hot. But their games were still released, still had good sales, and are (most importantly) still loved by a majority of their real fanbase.

Bioware isnt going anywhere. Its not going to die, because short of the 1 or 2 mistakes theyve made, they are still one of the best companies out there, even if they are owned by EA. I guess Minecraft is officially dead because they added a final boss. Lets send Notch 1000 cupcakes with enderman faces on them to say "You ruined one of our favorite games by officially releasing it".

>.>; geeze. Some people are drama llamas. The first thing something happens they dont like, everyone should freak out about it.

Indeed. This whole "will Bioware still be alive next year" thing is utterly ridiculous and laughable. There are companies far less successful than Bioware who still have managed to be around for many years. True, Bioware have received quite an amount of bad publicity and rage from fans lately, but that's not even close to be forced to shut the company down. If game critics start giving Bioware low scores/bad reviews, if people actually stop buying their games when they are upset instead of just raging then EA may decide that Bioware's time is up (not saying I want this, just stating facts and theories). The decision ultimately lies with EA what is going to happen with Bioware. EA makes money from them as it is now, so they won't shut them down or sell them to someone else.

 

[Waaghpowa]

Their honorable disembowelling. And an apology to every single person who bought DA2.

Aside from that, dragon age 3: the last moneygrab.

Along with Spaceballs 2, the search for more money.

 

[CardinalPiggles]

You guys need to remember that not everyone hates Bioware or their games. And not everyone is sick of their games either.

They've said they will making more games using the Mass Effect universe but without using Commander Shepard, there is plenty of life left in Dragon Age as far as I am (and plenty of others) are concerned, people still play Star Wars: TOR, it's not going anywhere for a while even though the initial hype has worn down, and even though Bioware has never made a C&C game before, plenty of the parent staff have been integrated into Bioware, so will come along quite nicely for fans of the series/genre.

I'm personally looking forward to DA3, as long as they don't re use the same areas/dungeons over and over. I'd like to visit more than one city and two dungeons thanks!

 

[LordFisheh]

At least to me, ME is a doomed franchise as long as the ending stays. Though 95% of ME3 was awesome, there are still the legions of fans, me included, who can't bring themselves to play back through any of the games because that damn ending retroactively poisoned each one.

Spoiler

Here's why. With the writers pretty much confirming that the relays are gone, the Citadel is gone, the homeworlds are devastated and so on, it all feels pointless. I don't really care anymore about, say, making peace between the turians and krogan when I know that, without the relays, they'll never see each other again anyway. I don't see the point in helping some guy on the Citadel when I know he just dies horribly anyway because :artistic integrity:.

It rips the soul out of the games. So naturally I don't care about paying $10 to help Aria take back Omega when I know that they all die in the ruins of their station when the relays aslpode and they can't get food.

I wasn't fighting to save the concept of organic life, I was fighting for the awesome universe that they built. Knowing it dies no matter what I do, why bother with prequels or DLC?

 

[SajuukKhar]

At least to me, ME is a doomed franchise as long as the ending stays. Though 95% of ME3 was awesome, there are still the legions of fans, me included, who can't bring themselves to play back through any of the games because that damn ending retroactively poisoned each one.

Spoiler

Here's why. With the writers pretty much confirming that the relays are gone, the Citadel is gone, the homeworlds are devastated and so on, it all feels pointless. I don't really care anymore about, say, making peace between the turians and krogan when I know that, without the relays, they'll never see each other again anyway. I don't see the point in helping some guy on the Citadel when I know he just dies horribly anyway because :artistic integrity:.

It rips the soul out of the games. So naturally I don't care about paying £10 to help Aria take back Omega when I know that they all die in the ruins of their station when the relays aslpode and they can't get food.

I wasn't fighting to save the concept of organic life, I was fighting for the awesome universe that they built. Knowing it dies no matter what I do, why bother with prequels or DLC?

Why does everyone act like its impossible for the races to just build more relays?

Seriously they could set ME4 like 500 years in the future were the races have built their own Mass Relay systems and found each other again.

the loss of the relays has literally no impact on a game set in the future.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Frankly, the gamer fanboy rage thing has been old for a while. I don't know about anyone else, but when I see someone complaining about how the Star Wars Prequels ruined star wars for them EIGHT YEARS AFTER IT'S BEEN OVER AND DONE WITH I slap my face into my palm and think "Here we go again."

You may be confusing rage with amusement in some or most cases. I can't speak for anyone else, but I mostly just find Phantom Menace, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect 3 ending, etc. hilarious. They don't stop good SF movies and fantasy/SF RPGs from being made by existing, but they are great targets for laughter and post-mortems.

 

[LordFisheh]

why does everyone act like its impossible for the races to just build more relays?

seriously they could set ME4 like 500 years in the future were the races have built their own Mass Relay systems and found each other again.

True, though I don't know; it doesn't feel the same. But by that point I'm just whining.

Though that is the unintentional slap in the stargazer scene. They look up, telling stories of Shepard and wondering what's out there. What it really comes down to is that they don't even know, when there should be a rebuilt, flourishing, cosmopolitan galaxy. They don't even remember what happened, or even your name, just a vague 'the shepherd'. But again, that's more me whining.

 

[Rooster Cogburn]

I don't know about anyone else, but when I see someone complaining about how the Star Wars Prequels ruined star wars for them EIGHT YEARS AFTER IT'S BEEN OVER AND DONE WITH I slap my face into my palm and think "Here we go again."

It's like the Titanic. It's been one hundred years now and it's still historic and tragic.

The endless fervor over Mass Effect 3's ending, Day One DLC, and Online passes gets handled in a "scream, yell, rant, rave" manner that negates any serious discussion issue there is to be had. It's grating, it's obnoxious, and hearing the kind of people who sound like they frequent Reddit complaining about anything changes the reaction one would expect.

The upset people think: "I have a serious complaint."

The kind of people who are asked to listen to them think: "What the fuck are you complaining about THIS time?"

Jim Sterling pointed that out himself. Gamers are so quick to cry Boycott, that any serious issue gets swept under the rug as just another instant of whining from a group of people who are just as greedy as the publishers they are "fighting" against.

Publishers want to maximize their profits, customers want to maximize their savings. This has been the fight for centuries. Neither party is being evil in this regard, it's two sides of an otherwise neutral argument.

I find a lot of people complain about Dragon Age 2, but I find even more people who like it. I see people whine about Mass Effect, but I find even more who thought the ending was an interesting twist that they weren't expecting, rather than BioWare's typical "Save the world and be a hero, or destroy the world and be Satan" style of narrative.

This is proven even more when EA tries to rectify their mistakes, and people cry out "Too little too late! You guys still are still worse than Hitler! VALVE FUR TEH WEN!"

If you are referring to the Extended Cut DLC, I think you are begging the question when you say they are trying to rectify their mistakes. EDIT: I should also add that is was apparently planned before the fan outcry, anyway.

It's watching gamers and publishers in a fight of "Who can be the biggest asshole" and the gamers are kicking their ass at that fight.

It's a lot of words just to say that some who criticize Bioware are going too far or pissing you off. Also, I'm skeptical that the backlash against the complainers is any more mature or enlightened. There's plenty of screaming and whining and bitching and whatever inflammatory word you want to use on that end, too.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Yeah because its not like game companies ever have game in production they haven't announced or plans to continue, nope Biowear is just going to lay down and die. Then EA is going to ring their hands and laugh evilly at gamers while twirling their mustaches. Hey, wait, this is actually the rantings of ignorant gamers, how'd this get here!

 

[triggrhappy94]

No matter how pissy people get about ME3, Bioware is a pretty good dev. They'll either continue some of their current IP or come out with something new, either way pretty good. Or they'll get disolved and all of those devs will go to different companies and the industry gets better as a whole.

 

[Gamergeek25]

Exactly, they're going to die. EA are making sure of that.

Going to die?

Mass effect series - dead

Dragon age series - dead (because DA2 was a such a piece of crap)

SW:tor - will be dead in under a year


Bioware has utterly lost its reputation people who are still buying there games are either blind fan boys, or people who dont care about the quility of video games.

Ah, love your choices. Either someone who disagrees with you does not want your "idea" of quality games or are screaming fans who are devout. Real good. a third a option people who whine and cry about the game but ends up buying it and says I only bought it to tell everyone it sucks. So please i am preety sure there are more than thre categories of people who buy there games.