What if Hitler...?

[Eldritch Warlord]

Alternate history? Here's a more interesting non-Hitler one:

What if the Iroquois Confederation got off their asses and kicked the pathetic European colonists out of North America like they should have?

 

[Darkmark44]

Nazis vs Communists! or something like that...

 

[TheSanityAssassin]

He would die of syphilis.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Oh and just a minor edit:

"Without the threat of war, the UK wouldn't have elected Churchill (Ho no no no!) and opted not to go to war to start with. The US had their own problems coming out of the depression, and would be pushing ahead with their war against the Japanese."

Churchill wasn't elected, he was chosen by the incumbent PM, Chamberlain, as successor. The war had already been going on for six months.

Bleurgh, I wasn't alive then. However, without Churchill (who was an awful peace time leader), we wouldn't have entered the war as our troops were pitiful at that point.

As for the Iroquois federation, that's reasonably easy to foresee. Without the increase in land, most of Europe would have no where to run from their incumbent patriarch figures and they'd still know of America's great wealth. The Spaniards and the French would have gone back in, as the English tended to see it just as a colony.

This time, there would be savage reprisals from the Spanish with Christian conversions from the French while England pirated the remains and the Dutch would try for closer shores.

So, England would become more isolationist, strike back harder with the Empire, possibly even taking France (Spain would be too hard to keep due to the heat). The Northern French America would be the new Canada, and the Southern Spanish America would be crushed through sheer weight of numbers. The Dutch would have all the traffic from the Far East though.

Possible 2009 effect: The Netherlands owns the European ceasefire with England as the strong military might. France is New England, Spanish refugees are attempting to cross into France from their starved country while the Imperialist New France uses Radio to teach non-Christians of their folly. New Spain in South America are dealing with massive internal wars and the few Native Americans hide their nationality in fear.

 

[Elurindel]

Many historian believe that if Hitler hadnt declared war on Poland history would of turned out much different.

Thats pretty obvious... The Soviet Union and the West would probably have escalated and surpassed The Cold War. Most countries near Russia would be owned by the Soviet Union (as it wouldn't have split up) and NATO/UN would be a lot less powerful.

The Union would then have declared war on the Allied nations of Europe and America, which would lead to Einstein creating a machine to teleport armies to Moscow and...wait, that was something else.

 

[Remleiz]

didnt 'Red alert' already try and explain this?

 

[corporate_gamer]

Hitler didnt want a war with Britain or France... he only wanted to fight the Eastern Europeans and communists..

Britain and France only went to war with Hitler because he invaded Poland....


No invasion of poland would probaly have lead to Fascists Vs Communists without the US or Britain etc involved.. then its a question of who would have won?

This isn't true, Hitler wanted power. Power meant conquering the current world powers, which were at that time Britain and France. The US and the USSR were on the way up. Hitler had absolutely planned on a war with Britain and France. Also up until the invasion of Poland Hitler and Stalin were allies, so theoretically if Hitler hadn't invaded Poland then they would have remained allies (still not likley cause Hitler really didn't like communists, but at that point he was still willing to deal with Stalin if it meant keeping the war off of the eastern front).

Where are these plans for war with britian? His Plan for power was a central european reich based on 'living space' to the east of germany. The Eastern front was the only one he was interested in. He wanted to remain on cordial terms with Britain (to call France a world power is laughable) and the USA. And also Stalin didn't care when Hitler invaded Poland, it was the basis of the alliance and in fact he joined in the invasion. Stalin and Hitler fell out when Hitler invaded Russia, Stalin thought that was a bit much.

In answer to the OP i doubt this would of changed much down the line. The Russians would of grown in power and (maybe through more subtle means) conquered Europe. Their growing power would of put Hitler under growing pressure. He may well of snapped and started the final solution and become isolated and open to Russian attack or run in to the arms of the US protection. The difference is simply where the iron curtain would of been drawn. Oh and berlin would of been a lot less interesting.

 

[Sir Ollie]

Hitler would of died of old age and 1000 years later a mad scientist would put his brains in a shark

Damn you professor!

 

[bjj hero]

What if... If my aunt had balls shed be my uncle.
Off topic, did no one figure out they were the "bad guys" when they were dressed in black, adorned with skulls and doing paranormal research?

You couldnt make it up, unless you were making wolfenstien...

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Many historian believe that if Hitler hadnt declared war on Poland history would of turned out much different.
So,I was wandering what do you think would of happend if Hitler hadnt declared war on Poland:
would he of died of old age?,would he have been killed by the freedom fighters?,would we know about the holocaust?,how would the world be different from the one we know today?

Are we assuming the second world war didnt happen here then? If so then as other people have said war between the Soviet Union and what is now Nato (probably).

For an interesting take on the Axis winning the 2nd World War read the Man in the High Castle by Philip K Dick. Do it. Do it now. I'll wait...

I've already red Fatherland by Rober Harris,is that good enough?

Im afraid not! People should be forced to read Philip K in schools and forced reading camps, in which they will be fed a form of nutrient gruel concocted from the shredded remains of lesser authors books.

 

[Dele]

How would the world change you ask?
We would not have all these WW2 games.

 

[Altorin]

Many historian believe that if Hitler hadnt declared war on Poland history would of turned out much different.

Thats pretty obvious... The Soviet Union and the West would probably have escalated and surpassed The Cold War. Most countries near Russia would be owned by the Soviet Union (as it wouldn't have split up) and NATO/UN would be a lot less powerful.

In otherwords, the world would end a lot quicker if millions of jews hadn't died

thanks jews.

 

[gh0ti]

Oh and just a minor edit:

"Without the threat of war, the UK wouldn't have elected Churchill (Ho no no no!) and opted not to go to war to start with. The US had their own problems coming out of the depression, and would be pushing ahead with their war against the Japanese."

Churchill wasn't elected, he was chosen by the incumbent PM, Chamberlain, as successor. The war had already been going on for six months.

Bleurgh, I wasn't alive then. However, without Churchill (who was an awful peace time leader), we wouldn't have entered the war as our troops were pitiful at that point.

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. Are you saying if Churchill wasn't around, we would never have gone to war with Germany? Because, that's just not true. When we declared war, Churchill was still more or less an exile. He didn't get welcomed back into high level politics until he was appointed First Lord of the Admiralty after war was declared.

And I don't think that our troops were 'pitiful' in 1939 by any stretch of the imagination. In truth, we weren't really that far behind the Germans in many areas and were superior in some. The UK had been feverishly rearming since 1935 in response to German aggression and was actually a much more modern standing army than the Wehrmacht. The German army, for example, relied heavily on horse-power whilst the British had invested in almost complete mechanisation. And the gap of quality between Allied tanks and their fabled Panzer counterparts is seriously overestimated - it was how they were used that caused them to seem so superior. This was the real crux of the German success, that the Allies had yet to form coherent, up-to-date tactics for the use of combined arms in a war of mobility. Hence, Blitzkrieg was able to knock France out of the war in a matter of weeks.

 

[O maestre]

What if Hitler didn't exist?

What if Stalin invaded China?

What if President Roosevelt died in 1930?

What if the bullet missed Archduke Franz Ferdinand?

why would stalin invade china? a better question would be what if the royalists in china managed to stop the revolution, would stalin have the balls to help Mao

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. Are you saying if Churchill wasn't around, we would never have gone to war with Germany? Because, that's just not true. When we declared war, Churchill was still more or less an exile. He didn't get welcomed back into high level politics until he was appointed First Lord of the Admiralty after war was declared.

We wouldn't have been able to make a successful campaign on Germany. Gladstone was known to be talking about "That nice man Adolf", and without Churchill's charisma, the War would have never have got off the ground. Before Churchill we were just saying "You bad man Hitler, stop doing that".

And I don't think that our troops were 'pitiful' in 1939 by any stretch of the imagination.

I'd take a look back then. Our airforce was atrocious, a fortnight before the Battle of Britain we simply didn't have the air-defences to hold off the Luftwaffe. If you look at "Dad's Army" that was our coastal defence at that point. A bunch of senior citizens.

In truth, we weren't really that far behind the Germans in many areas and were superior in some. The UK had been feverishly rearming since 1935 in response to German aggression and was actually a much more modern standing army than the Wehrmacht. The German army, for example, relied heavily on horse-power whilst the British had invested in almost complete mechanisation. And the gap of quality between Allied tanks and their fabled Panzer counterparts is seriously overestimated - it was how they were used that caused them to seem so superior. This was the real crux of the German success, that the Allies had yet to form coherent, up-to-date tactics for the use of combined arms in a war of mobility. Hence, Blitzkrieg was able to knock France out of the war in a matter of weeks.

And I beat all that with one stroke. The Channel.

And the Luftwaffe would have turned our standing army into pincushions. They had V2's as well.

 

[fenixrising]

Many forun readers believe that if the OP hadn't posted this thread, this thread would have turned out much different.