What is Sony's Problem?

[Jumplion]

Blu-ray is an advancement, it's the same thing back in VHS/DVD times, and something will come and replace Blu-ray and the same thing will happen.

In what ways is it an advancement?

It is hard for me to say that I don't know much about "new technology", because I'm more tech-savvy than most people I know. BUT by me asking that brings up an argument that I made earlier for the other side. Obviously, advertising hasn't been on the Blu-Ray's side because all I know about it is that it's a fancy DVD.

The main thing is the disc space, it lets developers fill up tons of data without compressing anything giving them more freedom. But you're viewing this from a consumer's viewpoint, which I understand, but even what you consider a minor upgrade is an upgrade nonetheless.

The race for more space (it's so catchy to me now!) as it were.

What is Sony's problem......... everything.

Agreed. Once Sony starts LISTENING to their customers then MAYBE...just MAYBE they can become a DECENT company.

That is a far stretch though.

Yet Nintendo (with their bullshit of an excuse at E3, and all the "they're selling out to casuals!" and "they arn't giving their fans what they want!" crap I hear everywhere) and and Microsoft (giving you a console that's prone to breaking on you, closing Ensemble for whatever reason) are free from this....how?

I'm not saying that they suck, but they're all bullshit companies anyway. Aslong as I get my next Team Ico/Naughty Dog/Insomniac/Sucker Punch game from Sony, then I'm not really complaining that much.

When companies compete, we win I guess.

 

[GloatingSwine]

If a game is on 2 or more disks, the second disk might as well be the sequel. There should be no reason why the burden of switching disks, no matter how minor, should be placed on you, the consumer.

I think a game called "Lost Odessy" (can't remember the name exactly) for the 360 came with, what, 4 disks? The casing for it was horrible, they stuffed 3 disks in one case and the 4th disk had a special disk socket to be placed in. This resulted in alot of scratched, missing, and broken disks and people couldn't finish the damn game they payed for. If you lose a disk or scratch it or something you'll have to buy a whole new game just for that one scratched disk. I don't know if the company will give you a replacement, but that's because I never had to have that inconvinience.

Is it really that hard to get off your ass and walk six feet? Maybe you should get some damn excercise!

Also, Lost Odyssey's shit packaging is not an inherent problem of multi disc games. In fact, the Australian version came in a proper multi-DVD case (no other region got this, for no apparent reason).

 

[ProfessorLayton]

The main thing is the disc space, it lets developers fill up tons of data without compressing anything giving them more freedom. But you're viewing this from a consumer's viewpoint, which I understand, but even what you consider a minor upgrade is an upgrade nonetheless.

The race for more space (it's so catchy to me now!) as it were.



Yet Nintendo (with their bullshit of an excuse at E3, and all the "they're selling out to casuals!" and "they arn't giving their fans what they want!" crap I hear everywhere) and and Microsoft (giving you a console that's prone to breaking on you, closing Ensemble for whatever reason) are free from this....how?

I'm not saying that they suck, but they're all bullshit companies anyway. Aslong as I get my next Team Ico/Naughty Dog/Insomniac/Sucker Punch game from Sony, then I'm not really complaining that much.

When companies compete, we win I guess.

It is an improvement, but not a 400 dollar improvement. Right now, it just doesn't seem like that big of an advancement that I need to fork over every last dollar on it. Speaking of which, I feel sorry for people who bought HD-DVDs...

One interesting thing that everyone says is a problem with Microsoft is their stuff breaks easily. Well, I've had my 360 for almost a year now, and I haven't had any problems at all with mine.

 

[Gormers1]

If a game is on 2 or more disks, the second disk might as well be the sequel. There should be no reason why the burden of switching disks, no matter how minor, should be placed on you, the consumer.

I think a game called "Lost Odessy" (can't remember the name exactly) for the 360 came with, what, 4 disks? The casing for it was horrible, they stuffed 3 disks in one case and the 4th disk had a special disk socket to be placed in. This resulted in alot of scratched, missing, and broken disks and people couldn't finish the damn game they payed for. If you lose a disk or scratch it or something you'll have to buy a whole new game just for that one scratched disk. I don't know if the company will give you a replacement, but that's because I never had to have that inconvinience.

Is it really that hard to get off your ass and walk six feet? Maybe you should get some damn excercise!

Also, Lost Odyssey's shit packaging is not an inherent problem of multi disc games. In fact, the Australian version came in a proper multi-DVD case (no other region got this, for no apparent reason).

Yeah, and btw, most 360 games dont use up all the space the disc has to offer. Of course it would be a little problematic playing an online game where you had to switch discs for different maps, but this is rarely a problem from developers unless they absolutely has to have uncompressed textures, music, and videos. Like others said, I had no problems with switching discs in Lost oddyssey, and Im not so stupid that I leave those discs other places than in the box. The dvd space problem is something developers on the ps3 have made up.

 

[Jumplion]

Oh come on, are you people still using that "I don't mind switching disks!" argument?

If a game is on 2 or more disks, the second disk might as well be the sequel. There should be no reason why the burden of switching disks, no matter how minor, should be placed on you, the consumer.

Because some really don't mind switching discs?

One might argue that burden of installing shouldn't be placed on the consumer: after all, the Wii doesn't have installs. The DS has little to no load times either. Games today have actually taken steps back here...it used to be that a console game would boot up instantly with no loads or installs. What happened to those days?

With games like Lost Odyssey, switching discs really isn't a problem since it's process that takes maybe a couple seconds and once every 10-12 hours, maybe. You don't switch discs back and forth while moving around the map. Taking a couple seconds to switch the disc really isn't any more of a nuisance than waiting for the game to install a chapter to the HDD.

I'd have this problem if it was anything like the first Baldur's Gate, where you switch between different discs when going to different parts of the world. Going to Nashkell? Switch to disc 2. Going to a forest nearby? Switch to disc 3. Going to Baldur's Gate? Switch to disc 5. Going to the expansion areas? Switch to disc 6!

If it were anything like the example above, multiple discs would be a problem. But they aren't. And while a Blu-ray game on a single disc is slightly more convenient, it's not a convenience that I'd pay 150EUR more for if the game is the same. Which is the case with PS3 and 360 games for the most part.

I already addressed the "insert disk 2" stuff somewhere at the bottom, if you're alright with switching disks fine, I don't care. I don't mind switching disks that much either, but it would become a nusance if that became the norm because we're to reluctant to switch to something else.

I agree, the installs and such get annoying as well, but like the switching disks stuff, I don't mind them that much either. Just shows how much PC-like consoles are getting, wether that's a good or bad this is up for debate.

That does seem like a crappy way to make multi-disk games, and I hope it doesn't come to that someday.

Wait, this example doesn't work. If where you are 360 and PS3 games generally cost the same regardless if it has two or more disks, then obviously one disk is more appealing to you than 2 or 3, conciously or subconciously.

I'm not saying it's a travesty to have multi-disk games, but no matter how minor the convinience is, it's still convinient.

 

[ProfessorLayton]

Is it really that hard to get off your ass and walk six feet? Maybe you should get some damn excercise!

Also, Lost Odyssey's shit packaging is not an inherent problem of multi disc games. In fact, the Australian version came in a proper multi-DVD case (no other region got this, for no apparent reason).

I don't think you were really paying attention to what has been said. If one disc breaks, you have to go buy a whole new game just for the one broken disc. It's a lot more of a hassle to keep up with.

 

[Gormers1]

Is it really that hard to get off your ass and walk six feet? Maybe you should get some damn excercise!

Also, Lost Odyssey's shit packaging is not an inherent problem of multi disc games. In fact, the Australian version came in a proper multi-DVD case (no other region got this, for no apparent reason).

I don't think you were really paying attention to what has been said. If one disc breaks, you have to go buy a whole new game just for the one broken disc. It's a lot more of a hassle to keep up with.

If one blu-ray game breaks, you also have to buy the game again (and both lost odyssey and a ps3 game costs the same).

 

[Jumplion]

If a game is on 2 or more disks, the second disk might as well be the sequel. There should be no reason why the burden of switching disks, no matter how minor, should be placed on you, the consumer.

I think a game called "Lost Odessy" (can't remember the name exactly) for the 360 came with, what, 4 disks? The casing for it was horrible, they stuffed 3 disks in one case and the 4th disk had a special disk socket to be placed in. This resulted in alot of scratched, missing, and broken disks and people couldn't finish the damn game they payed for. If you lose a disk or scratch it or something you'll have to buy a whole new game just for that one scratched disk. I don't know if the company will give you a replacement, but that's because I never had to have that inconvinience.

Is it really that hard to get off your ass and walk six feet? Maybe you should get some damn excercise!

Also, Lost Odyssey's shit packaging is not an inherent problem of multi disc games. In fact, the Australian version came in a proper multi-DVD case (no other region got this, for no apparent reason).

Oh lordy, lordy!! 6 feet is to much for me, my ass is to comfy in my bean bag chair as is! My ass casing will get cold without it!
Like I said, I myself don't mind multi-disk games, I don't care much about them anyway, if you're fine with them fine, woop-dee-doo, but convinience is still convinience.

 

[Jumplion]

If one blu-ray game breaks, you also have to buy the game again (and both lost odyssey and a ps3 game costs the same).

But you just have to buy 1 disk, that's all. If you lose the, let's say, 3rd disk or something, you have to buy 4 new disks and have to keep up with them and what's what. And you're contributing to environment hazards you cold-hearted, meat-eating, bastard!

Though, that's a lame excuse on my part :U

 

[ProfessorLayton]

If one blu-ray game breaks, you also have to buy the game again (and both lost odyssey and a ps3 game costs the same).

Well, what's more likely to happen? One disc out of one or one out of six? It's just a lot more likely for a multidisc game to have a disc break.

 

[GloatingSwine]

If one blu-ray game breaks, you also have to buy the game again (and both lost odyssey and a ps3 game costs the same).

But you just have to buy 1 disk, that's all. If you lose the, let's say, 3rd disk or something, you have to buy 4 new disks and have to keep up with them and what's what. And you're contributing to environment hazards you cold-hearted, meat-eating, bastard!

Though, that's a lame excuse on my part :U

The answer to this is not to use your discs as drinks coasters. Really, you have to actually try quite hard to fuck a DVD up beyond readability.

 

[Jumplion]

If one blu-ray game breaks, you also have to buy the game again (and both lost odyssey and a ps3 game costs the same).

But you just have to buy 1 disk, that's all. If you lose the, let's say, 3rd disk or something, you have to buy 4 new disks and have to keep up with them and what's what. And you're contributing to environment hazards you cold-hearted, meat-eating, bastard!

Though, that's a lame excuse on my part :U

The answer to this is not to use your discs as drinks coasters. Really, you have to actually try quite hard to fuck a DVD up beyond readability.

You have to fuck up even harder to screw up a Blu-ray disk. Seriously, I accidentally dropped a Blu-disk on the floor, had the same disk get smushed by my backpack multiple times, and it fell in water one time.

But it's not only scratches, losing the entire disk is one to, and more disks means more room for codeing error and stuff like that. Who knows?

 

[Lt. Dragunov]

I think the real question is "what is'nt sony's problem." i have a ps3 and I'v been waiting for playstaition home for longer than i can give a damn for and there still no solid release date for it. All they say is "Oh i don't know sum time in the fall maybe (smiles)" like thats realy funny. 70% of the reason why i got a ps3 was for psh and if it was'nt fo the 30% for the games and blue-ray i would'nt have it any more.

 

[ProfessorLayton]

I think the real question is "what is'nt sony's problem." i have a ps3 and I'v been waiting for playstaition home for longer than i can give a damn for and there still no solid release date for it. All they say is "Oh i don't know sum time in the fall maybe (smiles)" like thats realy funny. 70% of the reason why i got a ps3 was for psh and if it was'nt fo the 30% for the games and blue-ray i would'nt have it any more.

Well, I'd be happy to take it from you.

 

[k3v1n]

actually ps3 had been outselling the x360 since it got out here in Spain, until really recently, but of course factors like price drop and really cool games, advertising , exclusive DLC have changed that for a couple of months

 

[Lt. Dragunov]

I think the real question is "what is'nt sony's problem." i have a ps3 and I'v been waiting for playstaition home for longer than i can give a damn for and there still no solid release date for it. All they say is "Oh i don't know sum time in the fall maybe (smiles)" like thats realy funny. 70% of the reason why i got a ps3 was for psh and if it was'nt fo the 30% for the games and blue-ray i would'nt have it any more.

So you'd prefer them to rush out an application rather than taking the time to make it as great as it can be?

I'd rather them give a solid release date for it thats all i ask for, for the last 3 years we'v been getting reports of sony releasing psh "soon" that was like 2 years ago, then they said this fall, and now they are saying at the end of the year. I dont wanna whine about this but can they give a release date and not change it to another. Oh and i just heard they might move the release date back again to fall of next year. Great....

 

[Gormers1]

If one blu-ray game breaks, you also have to buy the game again (and both lost odyssey and a ps3 game costs the same).

Except its a lot harder to break a Blu-Ray disc than a DVD - the things don't scratch as easily.

Where did you get that from? Ive heard the opposite. This really doesnt matter to me. If your DVD or blu-ray gets scratched, its either your own or your old xboxs fault. Ive dropped dvds to the floor, had dvds that were loose inside the cover when I got the box in the mail, but Ive never had any problems playing them. You have to scratch your games pretty bad to destroy them. What Im saying is that this is a very minor problem.

Well, what's more likely to happen? One disc out of one or one out of six? It's just a lot more likely for a multidisc game to have a disc break.

Why is that? You use the [four]FOUR[b/] discs just as much as the one blu-ray disc, and you keep all the discs you dont use inside the cover.

 

[songnar]

I think the real question is "what is'nt sony's problem." i have a ps3 and I'v been waiting for playstaition home for longer than i can give a damn for and there still no solid release date for it. All they say is "Oh i don't know sum time in the fall maybe (smiles)" like thats realy funny. 70% of the reason why i got a ps3 was for psh and if it was'nt fo the 30% for the games and blue-ray i would'nt have it any more.

So you'd prefer them to rush out an application rather than taking the time to make it as great as it can be?

I'd rather them give a solid release date for it thats all i ask for, for the last 3 years we'v been getting reports of sony releasing psh "soon" that was like 2 years ago, then they said this fall, and now they are saying at the end of the year. I dont wanna whine about this but can they give a release date and not change it to another. Oh and i just heard they might move the release date back again to fall of next year. Great....

The goos news is that it will be in open beta as of December 25th of this year, I'd wager it'll be out sometime 1st quarter of '09.