What is the deal with The Dark Knight?

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WiccaVamp

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Strife2k7 said:
I can't speak for everyone else but I was impressed by the fact that it transcended its own genre. Yes, Batman is a comic book character, but TDK was not a 'comic book movie'. Mr. Nolan has embraced a very realistic take and tried to make his Batman as believable as possible. IE: The style is meant to evoke the feeling that if someone actually had the resources at Bruce Wayne's disposal maybe they really could pull off the things he does. The movie isn't perfect by any stretch, but it is more of a crime drama than anything else for me that made it enjoyable.

As for what the other person was saying about DiCaprio, I think he just meant that if he were to be cast as Riddler he might surprise everyone with a solid performance in the role. When Ledger was cast as Joker there was a lot of trepidation around how he'd approach the role, and in the end he did an excellent job. So there's hope that DiCaprio /could/ pull off a similar performance as Riddler.
Actually your half right, it was based off of the graphic novel with the same name, not the comic but it captured the gritty film noir aspect of that novel really well. I loved it mostly because you could tell they put a lot of effort in to make it accurate and the cting was flawless in my opinion, except for the bale gravel voice was odd...but beyond that this was a good comic movie which quite frankly is really hard to find, and pulling off the joker from that novel is no easy task so the fact that it was done so well was in itself awesome.I've said my piece lol.
 

Imperioratorex Caprae

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I won't down people for not getting TDK's popularity. I will explain my take on it. Batman as a comic started off pretty cheesy (see the 60's TV show starring Adam We(st)), it wasn't until the 80's when Batman took a turn for the gothic setting it has now.
Same with the movies. As much as I love Tim Burton, his version of Batman was close but still a bit cheesy and over-the-top comic book (ie funny pages).
Joel Schumacher just about killed the series... god please never let that man touch anything else sacred to me and I'll be happy.
Chris Nolan comes along and changes the image of the Bat to what it currently is, dark and dramatic with rays of light shining through. Its not always an action packed blockbuster Michael Bay Transformer boomboom fest. It was well made with great camera work, setting/scenery, dramatic elements, suspense, loss and pain for the main characters. All in all great storytelling. If you were expecting an actionpacked thrill-ride then you'd probably be disappointed. If you're a reader of the comics, the thematic elements were present in the movie that makes the comics bad-friggin-ass. Even the comics are somewhat slow, with lots of drama/suspense.
 

Reveras

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It was a great movie, my only problems with it were this version of Alfred only speaking in prolonged speaches aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the fact that everything is explained. It's like a big instruction sheet for idiots sometimes. But I swear the Joker made the entire movie for me, that performance was amazing.
 

SteveZim1017

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The movie is a Good movie with a Great ending. the ending of a movie can make or break the film. In the case of the Dark Knight, Batman fans finally got the ending they deserved. They got a Batman who is on a mission. A batman who doesnt care if he is liked or disliked, considered hero or villian, just simply there to protect those who need it.

The more of a Batman fan you are, the more I think you enjoyed the film. its greatness comes from washing away years of poorly written Batman films and finally delivering a vision of the mythos people could stand behind
 

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Horny Ico said:
I love how you ripped apart that Redemption shitter, but here's where you fall apart, mostly because you have limited imagination.
Well, thanks for that. Starting out with an insult is always a great idea.

Horny Ico said:
The Riddler could be leading Batman into a revelation about a conspiracy
To what end? If he's a villain, why is he exposing a conspiracy for Batman? In fact, why is he doing Batman's job for him? Riddler committs crime, Batman foils crime, the two aren't likely to team up and become best buds.

Horny Ico said:
the last riddle could be an elaborate trap that forces Bruce to reveal himself, and it's entirely possible Nolan's Riddler would be too smart to ever be caught. And after the ending to TDK, the trap would be devastating.
Except that this isn't how Riddler works. He already knows Batman's identity in the comics. He just isn't capable of telling anyone because of his own mental hang-ups; "A riddle that everyone knows the answer to is worthless". The whole shtick with the riddles is indicative of a man who is convinced that he's so much smarter than everyone else that he can freely leave clues, and his undoing is that he isn't as smart as he thinks he is.

If they're going to change the character into some suave, super smart guy who always has the upper hand, then he'll be the Riddler in name only. Scarecrow and Joker were much like they are in the comics, and they worked well. Ra's wasn't much like he is in the comics, and (despite Liam Neeson's excellent performance) the character came off poorly. I think that if they're sticking with the dark, gritty tone the first two films had then they need darker villains than the Riddler. If they hadn't killed off Two-Face already, I'd have said he was an ideal choice. Mr Zsaz could work, as they've already featured him in the movies.

WiccaVamp said:
Actually your half right, it was based off of the graphic novel with the same name, not the comic but it captured the gritty film noir aspect of that novel really well. I loved it mostly because you could tell they put a lot of effort in to make it accurate and the cting was flawless in my opinion, except for the bale gravel voice was odd...but beyond that this was a good comic movie which quite frankly is really hard to find, and pulling off the joker from that novel is no easy task so the fact that it was done so well was in itself awesome.I've said my piece lol.
I read somewhere that Batman Begins was originally planned as The Dark Knight Returns, and that they wanted Clint Eastwood to play Batman. Now that would have been an interesting movie...
 

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AcacianLeaves said:
I know I'll need to give examples of 'plot holes' and 'odd character actions' so here goes.

Why exactly does Batman need to take the blame for Harvey's actions? He's dead. He'd be no more a symbol for the city to rally behind than Batman would.
Dent was a legitamate hero, one who operated within the boundaries of civilised law and who had managed to keep himself apart from the rampant corrupt bureaucracy infesting every level of Gotham's government. He was special because he abided by the rules which the people are expected to abide by; Batman can't be that guy because he doesn't abide by the rules. The people may well venerate him but he could never be the hero Dent is; it's a similar thing in The Watchmen. A dead hero is better than a live one, especially if he died for his heroic principles; he made the ultimate sacrifice. People will eventually be jealous of Batman anyway, "why can he go around doing as he pleases when I can't?" which is what happens in The Watchmen.

How is the Joker able to orchestrate all this with nobody to help him except for unreliable nut-cases?
This is the unfortunate curse when dealing with unrealistic comic book stories; not everything is going to be realistic. How did the Joker get all those bombs in the hospital or on the boats? It makes no sense, even with organised backing from the various criminal organisations the pure volume of bombs makes it completely unrealistic.

The only thing I can suppose is that the numerous cans of explosives were put in for cinematic effect; put several small but powerful bombs at key structural points in the hospital and/or the boats and you could destroy them much more efficiently. The visual effect of them would be much less though, so for purely cinematic effect they were put in. Also, it was a nod to Hollywoods love of explosions that make no sense.

Why didn't they use the awesome Scarecrow more?
Not a plot hole or even a problem; a character that you liked didn't get more screen time, shame?

What was the point of Rachel Dawes even existing?
Batman is all about good vs evil and how to go about it. Rachel Dawes as a character is basically a female version of Dent; Batman's link to Bruce Wayne (his humanity not his cover); and, an innocent victim. The story isn't about her, it's about Batman and the fight of good vs evil; to be in the story it must be related to this, she is part of his motivation.

If Batman needs to disguise his voice, why doesn't he use a $5 voicebox rather than damage his vocal chords with a ridiculous growl?
The voice is silly, aye but, Batman is all about intimidation. Also, a voicebox would be either on his throat or have to be spoken through, aye? More problems for manoeuvrability about the head which Batman had been criticised for before, you can't have it both ways.

The part of the film that gives me trouble is the sonar computer and his goggles at the end, that is complete bollocks. I know that Batman's strengths come from advanced training and technological superiority from his vast personal wealth and company but, seriously? Much like the Joker's bombs a simpler and realistic solution is available but, it doesn't lend itself to big cinematic fun bang.
 

sageoftruth

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All I can say is I found it hard not to be biased in favor of the first superhero movie to get a nomination.
 

Matt-the-twat

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It was alright, but I certainly don't see the furore over it either. Standard kind of plot and superhero movie, well executed and with a bit more things thrown in (as they had more time than most movies decide to take up). Superhero movies are good popcorn flicks for me, but not something I would re-watch or find stimulating in many ways.
 

Aisaku

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TDK was intense! I walked out of the theather thinking, wow, this is the first super hero movie that can claim to be a good movie by itself. It delivers on all accounts, pretty much every major player (Batman, Harvey Dent, The Joker, Gordon) is going thru their own story arc and all of them tie togheter inevitably at the end. It was really, really, good. Of course it could've been better. But it was well over par compared to other superhero movies.
 

SilverUchiha

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Blasphemer! Dark Knight is the perfect super-hero film!

It has some of the best acting and writing you'll ever see for a Super Hero film, something that only Spiderman 2 and Iron Man have been able to pull off before (maybe some others, but those come to my mind first). It's suspenseful and dark, something Batman needs to be because Gotham, Arkham, and Batman himself are dark and gritty.

Plus, best iteration of the best comic-villain of all time (aside from Mark Hamill's voice acting of Joker). He takes Joker to new levels of awesome and he even has some dialogue I just laugh at because it is funny.

"Let the girl go!" - Batman
"Poor choice of words" - Joker (let's girl fall out window)
 

DarkRyter

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Because you disliked the things that other people liked in this movie. You're simply a different kind of person.

JUST LIKE BRUCE WAYNE.

Though really. It happens. Go get some ice cream, everyone loves that.
 

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alexjones89 said:
i really enjoyed it, i think i was 19 when i saw it first. Although Batman's voice is hilarious i kept wanting to cough for some reason every time he spoke
Yeah it's like he has throat cancer.
But I really disliked the movie dark knight except for the Joker he's awesome and unfortunetly that great man! Heath Ledger is dead may his awesomeness rest in peace.
 
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*sigh* Goddamnit. Ok, here we go.

[HEADING=1]PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. NO ONE IS RIGHT OR WRONG-[/HEADING]Oh, fuck it. I am really tired of explaining this to people. My heart's just not in it this time. But you get the idea.
 

DayDark

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I thought it got drawn too much out, it got boring, there are some great moments, but I don't share the enthusiasm for it.
 

Skoldpadda

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Why the gosh darned heck was Woodsey suspended for that? It was obviously meant in good humour.

As for The Dark Knight, it has its faults, but it's seriously a lot better the second time around. I'm super serial. Dito with Batman Begins. That's all subjective of course.