What kind of weapon is the Hidden Blade?

[TheRundownRabbit]

Its used to stab people in the neck

 

[Crimsader]

It's a melee weapon.

 

[RanD00M]

It's a melee weapon.

No shit.But what kind of melee weapon is it?I think that's what the OP was asking.

 

[Cmwissy]

if i were to tape a knife to my fist it wouldn't be referred to as fist weapon.

just a knife

It's a melee weapon.

Jesus Christ must I repeat myself, I'm not interested in what It's called.

Rokkolpo - No, it would depend on how you used it - if you gripped it vertically and slashed people It would be a knife; if you used the force of a punch to deliver the blows it would be a fist weapon.

How it's used defines what it is.

I guess a knuckle duster is just like hitting someone with a piece of metal?

 

[omega 616]

Dude - boot up your game or look at some art; the hidden blade in AC2 is blunted off till about 2/3 up the blade; making it impossible for slashing actions; Ezio and altair do two things in combat with the blade in art and in game; they either hold the blade between their knuckles and use it in fisticuffs or bend their hand back and just shove the blade in.

And open palm strike isn't a slap - a slap implies a different hand angle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_%28attack%29#Palm

The bloody military use it.

The hidden blade when it comes to slashing and blocking is a useless weapon; and that's why Altair And Ezio should only use it to augment their punches.

EDIT: I see you called it palm thrust - perhaps it's just semantics.

Basically - It would be nigh useless to use the hidden blade(s) as a dagger/sword/uber slashing device.

As It's just too small and most of it is blunted.

'Hidden edge' just doesn't have the same ring.

Even if the last inch was just a blade, you could "slash".

It would be painful as hell to have a blade like that between your fingers, try doing it with a ruler.

I can't boot my game up, I lent my ps3 to somebody with the game.

I have never seen Ezio or Altair fight use there hands like that, in fact if I ever saw anybody fight like that I would laugh till I cried, it's the equivalent of punching with your thumb inside your fist.

He does block with the blade, I have done it numerous times. I have also "slashed" with it, numerous times. Just equip the blades and swing for somebody then hold R1 and watch him block with them. It has a sharp edge so it can slash and it is made of metal so it can block (although I doubt in real life it would last long).

Well they aren't using there hidden blades to butter bread and spread jam. They are slashing, stabbing and injecting poison with them, there knives, thats what there meant for.

 

[Lordpils]

Off topic, but how come Ezio has all his fingers?

The hidden blade was modified in order to no longer require the loss of the ring finger. It helps with the whole espionage thing.

Spoiler

And yet for some reason Lucy is missing her finger.

 

[Cmwissy]

Dude - boot up your game or look at some art; the hidden blade in AC2 is blunted off till about 2/3 up the blade; making it impossible for slashing actions; Ezio and altair do two things in combat with the blade in art and in game; they either hold the blade between their knuckles and use it in fisticuffs or bend their hand back and just shove the blade in.

And open palm strike isn't a slap - a slap implies a different hand angle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_%28attack%29#Palm

The bloody military use it.

The hidden blade when it comes to slashing and blocking is a useless weapon; and that's why Altair And Ezio should only use it to augment their punches.

EDIT: I see you called it palm thrust - perhaps it's just semantics.

Basically - It would be nigh useless to use the hidden blade(s) as a dagger/sword/uber slashing device.

As It's just too small and most of it is blunted.

'Hidden edge' just doesn't have the same ring.

Even if the last inch was just a blade, you could "slash".

It would be painful as hell to have a blade like that between your fingers, try doing it with a ruler.

I can't boot my game up, I lent my ps3 to somebody with the game.

I have never seen Ezio or Altair fight use there hands like that, in fact if I ever saw anybody fight like that I would laugh till I cried, it's the equivalent of punching with your thumb inside your fist.

He does block with the blade, I have done it numerous times. I have also "slashed" with it, numerous times. Just equip the blades and swing for somebody then hold R1 and watch him block with them. It has a sharp edge so it can slash and it is made of metal so it can block (although I doubt in real life it would last long).

Well they aren't using there hidden blades to butter bread and spread jam. They are slashing, stabbing and injecting poison with them, there knives, thats what there meant for.

I'm not arguing it isn't in game - I'm saying it's fucking stupid.

Slashing someone with a one inch blade is like trying to get a cat to swim in the Olympics.

So you would laugh till you cried at someone holding a knife between their knuckles (Which is a real fighting style) - yet not someone swinging blunted blades.

I have never seen Ezio or Altair fight use there hands like that, in fact if I ever saw anybody fight like that I would laugh till I cried, it's the equivalent of punching with your thumb inside your fist.

That's funny - as the US army fights exactly like that -

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- this is a punching blade; according to Dev diary 4 of Assassin's creed; this is what the hidden blade was inspired after.

Well they aren't using there hidden blades to butter bread and spread jam. They are slashing, stabbing and injecting poison with them, there knives, thats what there meant for.

THIS is a knife

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THIS is a blade

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A knife has a grip and is used for inverted stabbing and slashing - a blade is well - a sharp piece of metal.

He does block with the blade, I have done it numerous times

- Actually if you read the codex - you'll see he blocks with the metal plate that Leonardo made him along with the Dual hidden blades.

I have never seen Ezio or Altair fight use there hands like that,

The pictures are right bloody there - first picture of Altair!

And yes - striking with your palm is a punch - not a slap - Must I link the page again?

Look at the first picture of Ezio - the Blade (not knife/dagger ) Is blunted off to prevent Finger cutting in the way he's holding it between his knuckles So slashing would be nigh useless.

 

[icyfresh]

it is neither, you swing it around with a fist but instead of grasping anything it is more like very long pointy brass knuckles, just ask my friend over here right joe?
Joe: oh gawd not the knuckles again *PUNCHES*
I said RIGHT JOE?
Joe: right .*faints*

 

[Cmwissy]

it is neither, you swing it around with a fist but instead of grasping anything it is more like very long pointy brass knuckles, just ask my friend over here right joe?
Joe: oh gawd not the knuckles again *PUNCHES*
I said RIGHT JOE?
Joe: right .*faints*

I have to agree with 'very long spiky brass knuckle'

Although you should look at the pictures I've provided which show him wielding it in his knuckles.

Also the picture of the punching dagger in my post above.

 

[God's Clown]

If you look at it, it is spring powered. He punches press button, blade flies out and hits enemy. If he so deserved he could press button, blade comes out and slit a guys throat. Assassin's are basically one fourth ninja, maybe even half ninja, so do not doubt their magic.

 

[omega 616]

I'm not arguing it isn't in game - I'm saying it's fucking stupid.

Slashing someone with a one inch blade is like trying to get a cat to swim in the Olympics.

So you would laugh till you cried at someone holding a knife between their knuckles (Which is a real fighting style) - yet not someone swinging blunted blades.

I have never seen Ezio or Altair fight use there hands like that, in fact if I ever saw anybody fight like that I would laugh till I cried, it's the equivalent of punching with your thumb inside your fist.

That's funny - as the US army fights exactly like that -

Spoiler

- this is a punching blade; according to Dev diary 4 of Assassin's creed; this is what the hidden blade was inspired after.

Well they aren't using there hidden blades to butter bread and spread jam. They are slashing, stabbing and injecting poison with them, there knives, thats what there meant for.

THIS is a knife

Spoiler

THIS is a blade

Spoiler

A knife has a grip and is used for inverted stabbing and slashing - a blade is well - a sharp piece of metal.

He does block with the blade, I have done it numerous times

- Actually if you read the codex - you'll see he blocks with the metal plate that Leonardo made him along with the Dual hidden blades.

I have never seen Ezio or Altair fight use there hands like that,

The pictures are right bloody there - first picture of Altair!

And yes - striking with your palm is a punch - not a slap - Must I link the page again?

Look at the first picture of Ezio - the Blade (not knife/dagger ) Is blunted off to prevent Finger cutting in the way he's holding it between his knuckles So slashing would be nigh useless.

Keep in mind this is a game, there might be details that the devs left out 'cos they didn't think any body would put that much thought into it.

Thats a weird analogy but a cat can swim so a 1 inch knife can slash.

Yes, I would laugh. It's not like the the BLADE is blunt all the way along, otherwise it would be called the hidden stick.

This is the US army, the army that has a tendency to come in at the end of wars, ask for help in wars (even though there army is massive and there as rich as hell) and have a tendency for friendly fire.

They maybe inspired after but there hardly alike, one you hold the other you don't, one is fat and the other is thin. etc etc.

Read my first post on this thread ... When Ezio punches he swings with massive open, looping punches, not chops (which is what you linked me to).

Do you know what your palm is? Not one of those strikes was with the palm, it was the side of the hand or the fingers. If you hit with the palm it is a slap or a palm thrust, nothing more or less.

If your hitting with the side of your hand it is a chop. It's fact.

 

[TopHatTim]

I think it is a fictional weapon that could be created.

A discussion on a weapon that I believe is only in a video game is comparable to a lengthy debate on the use of lightsabres in Iraq.

Just think of it as "Hidden blade" and be done with it.

Its a real blade you can actually buy. i saw one once in toronto. just chillin around in a chinese sword shop, it was cool.

In assassins creed i lol'd when i realised that they have the ring finger cut off so they dont cut the rest of their fingers off.

 

[Cmwissy]

I'm not arguing it isn't in game - I'm saying it's fucking stupid.

Slashing someone with a one inch blade is like trying to get a cat to swim in the Olympics.

So you would laugh till you cried at someone holding a knife between their knuckles (Which is a real fighting style) - yet not someone swinging blunted blades.

I have never seen Ezio or Altair fight use there hands like that, in fact if I ever saw anybody fight like that I would laugh till I cried, it's the equivalent of punching with your thumb inside your fist.

That's funny - as the US army fights exactly like that -

Spoiler

- this is a punching blade; according to Dev diary 4 of Assassin's creed; this is what the hidden blade was inspired after.

Well they aren't using there hidden blades to butter bread and spread jam. They are slashing, stabbing and injecting poison with them, there knives, thats what there meant for.

THIS is a knife

Spoiler

THIS is a blade

Spoiler

A knife has a grip and is used for inverted stabbing and slashing - a blade is well - a sharp piece of metal.

He does block with the blade, I have done it numerous times

- Actually if you read the codex - you'll see he blocks with the metal plate that Leonardo made him along with the Dual hidden blades.

I have never seen Ezio or Altair fight use there hands like that,

The pictures are right bloody there - first picture of Altair!

And yes - striking with your palm is a punch - not a slap - Must I link the page again?

Look at the first picture of Ezio - the Blade (not knife/dagger ) Is blunted off to prevent Finger cutting in the way he's holding it between his knuckles So slashing would be nigh useless.

Keep in mind this is a game, there might be details that the devs left out 'cos they didn't think any body would put that much thought into it.

Thats a weird analogy but a cat can swim so a 1 inch knife can slash.

Yes, I would laugh. It's not like the the BLADE is blunt all the way along, otherwise it would be called the hidden stick.

This is the US army, the army that has a tendency to come in at the end of wars, ask for help in wars (even though there army is massive and there as rich as hell) and have a tendency for friendly fire.

They maybe inspired after but there hardly alike, one you hold the other you don't, one is fat and the other is thin. etc etc.

Read my first post on this thread ... When Ezio punches he swings with massive open, looping punches, not chops (which is what you linked me to).

Do you know what your palm is? Not one of those strikes was with the palm, it was the side of the hand or the fingers. If you hit with the palm it is a slap or a palm thrust, nothing more or less.

If your hitting with the side of your hand it is a chop. It's fact.

Have to agree with you there - he does use it in that way if you normal attack; But it's f-in pathetic.

Why couldn't of he just punched as the normal attacks and used the blade as the finishing stab?

I don't think on It's own the hidden blade is a good weapon - you can't use it for slashes and blocks otherwise it would break - easily. (as you've already said)

He has all these swords, short blades and throwing knives - yet he uses a 1 inch blade to slash.

You can even buy a metal gauntlet too increase his punch damage; but he'd rather slash with a 1 inch blade.

IRL you would have to stab/puncture with it

On a slightly off-topic.

Don't you wish they would bring the Assassin's Diablo 2 claws into Assassin's creed.

 

[Slaanax]

The 2nd picture the Blade is held in a decorative sleeve it looks like 2 parts not 1, the first one is kind of hard to tell.

 

[omega 616]

Have to agree with you there - he does use it in that way if you normal attack; But it's f-in pathetic.

Why couldn't of he just punched as the normal attacks and used the blade as the finishing stab?

I don't think on It's own the hidden blade is a good weapon - you can't use it for slashes and blocks otherwise it would break - easily. (as you've already said)

He has all these swords, short blades and throwing knives - yet he uses a 1 inch blade to slash.

You can even buy a metal gauntlet too increase his punch damage; but he'd rather slash with a 1 inch blade.

IRL you would have to stab/puncture with it

On a slightly off-topic.

Don't you wish they would bring the Assassin's Diablo 2 claws into Assassin's creed.

What are you referring to in your second paragraph? It sounds like your saying "why doesn't he punch the way he already punches and use the hidden blade as finishing attack" 'cos he does both of those things.

You can use the hidden blade for slashes but you might as well use a purse gun in a shoot out with the police, when you have an AK-74 next to you. What I am saying is the hidden blade can slash but when you have swords (even daggers, although I don't see the point of them) which have longer reach, faster, do more damage and look a damn site better.

It seems your saying under no circumstance that Ezio can use the hidden blunt stick to attack with.

Doesn't the metal gauntlet increase the damage the other swords and stuff do? I never looked into it 'cos if I have throwing knives, sword, dagger, gun and smoke bombs, why would I want to punch (in a really silly manner)?

In real life most people don't wear massive suits of metal to protect themselves (that includes police, were I live) so you could quite easily get away with slashing somebody with it. In a real life situation though hardly anybody is slashed, there usually stabbed.

Being an assassin is about being stealthy, assassins creed does a bad job of that so running through the streets with a 3 bladed gauntlet (for lack of a better word) would be like a terrorist wearing a sign saying "death to the west" in English.

It's the equivalent of "akimbo" in MW2, no professional would do it.

It would look sweet though.

 

[Cmwissy]

Have to agree with you there - he does use it in that way if you normal attack; But it's f-in pathetic.

Why couldn't of he just punched as the normal attacks and used the blade as the finishing stab?

I don't think on It's own the hidden blade is a good weapon - you can't use it for slashes and blocks otherwise it would break - easily. (as you've already said)

He has all these swords, short blades and throwing knives - yet he uses a 1 inch blade to slash.

You can even buy a metal gauntlet too increase his punch damage; but he'd rather slash with a 1 inch blade.

IRL you would have to stab/puncture with it

On a slightly off-topic.

Don't you wish they would bring the Assassin's Diablo 2 claws into Assassin's creed.

What are you referring to in your second paragraph? It sounds like your saying "why doesn't he punch the way he already punches and use the hidden blade as finishing attack" 'cos he does both of those things.

You can use the hidden blade for slashes but you might as well use a purse gun in a shoot out with the police, when you have an AK-74 next to you. What I am saying is the hidden blade can slash but when you have swords (even daggers, although I don't see the point of them) which have longer reach, faster, do more damage and look a damn site better.

It seems your saying under no circumstance that Ezio can use the hidden blunt stick to attack with.

Doesn't the metal gauntlet increase the damage the other swords and stuff do? I never looked into it 'cos if I have throwing knives, sword, dagger, gun and smoke bombs, why would I want to punch (in a really silly manner)?

In real life most people don't wear massive suits of metal to protect themselves (that includes police, were I live) so you could quite easily get away with slashing somebody with it. In a real life situation though hardly anybody is slashed, there usually stabbed.

Being an assassin is about being stealthy, assassins creed does a bad job of that so running through the streets with a 3 bladed gauntlet (for lack of a better word) would be like a terrorist wearing a sign saying "death to the west" in English.

It's the equivalent of "akimbo" in MW2, no professional would do it.

It would look sweet though.

You don't seem to be making allot of sense - I'm agreeing with you; In game - you can slash with the hidden blade; I've acknowledged that; What I'm saying is, slashing with the hidden blade = fucking dumb.

It seems your saying under no circumstance that Ezio can use the hidden blunt stick to attack with.

I'm not saying that at all - I'm just saying it's fucking dumb.

What are you referring to in your second paragraph? It sounds like your saying "why doesn't he punch the way he already punches and use the hidden blade as finishing attack" 'cos he does both of those things.

I'm saying it would be more logical to punch with his fists - and stab them when they are open to an attack - instead of trying to slice and dice with a blade the size of a little finger. (and no, in none of his combo animations does he punch a guy then finish him off with the hidden blade)

in real life most people don't wear massive suits of metal to protect themselves (that includes police, were I live) so you could quite easily get away with slashing somebody with it. In a real life situation though hardly anybody is slashed, there usually stabbed.

That's because stabbing is 10 times more effective - as I've said - especially with a 1 inch blade.

Doesn't the metal gauntlet increase the damage the other swords and stuff do? I never looked into it 'cos if I have throwing knives, sword, dagger, gun and smoke bombs, why would I want to punch (in a really silly manner)?

I could easily turn that around and say 'I have a short blade and a sword - yet for some reason I want to slash with my 1 inch hidden blade.

Being an assassin is about being stealthy, assassins creed does a bad job of that so running through the streets with a 3 bladed gauntlet (for lack of a better word) would be like a terrorist wearing a sign saying "death to the west" in English.

In real life an assassin is a killer of high profile targets - they aren't stealthy pew pew ninjas.

And In assassin's creed 2; They are followers of the creed (one of them is be discreet; but Altair destroys that creed in the codex)

Look at Mario or Bartolemo; They are both assassins - and they attack with massive 2 handed weapons.


You CAN slash with the hidden blade - but why would you gimp yourself like that - the only logical way to fight with it is stabbing.

 

[Pyro Paul]

the 'Hidden Blade' is a spring loaded Double Action Retractable Dagger. by pressing a button often emplaced on the palm, the blade extends outwards and locks into place. depressing the button again retracts the blade.

a Dagger is not a slashing weapon, even though it is commonly confused as one. A Dagger is a Thrusting and Stabbing weapon in which the tip of the blade is thrusted into the target to cause damage. you are supposed to hold a dagger much like a fencing blade with the Tip of the blade pointing at your target and that the grip fits snuggly in your hand, not like a sword where you wrap your hands around the grip.

what your friend is trying to think of is a 'Knife', a slashing weapon with usually 1 side sharpened. the leading edge of the weapons is used in longer strokes to cause moderate surface wounds, deep lacerations, and light bleeding ontop of intense pain.



it is a Thrusting weapon, designed to put the force of your arm into a single penetrative point which can push through armor, flesh, and bone and hit a critical area. To have a weapon which requires you to cock your arm back to gain the momentum to strike a target, as with a slashing weapon, is not very covert. As thus it would not find too much use for an assassin.

 

[Pyro Paul]

further more, you can easily tell that the hidden blade is a Thrusting Weapon because of the size of the blade. A blade of that Width would be very poor in slashing motions as it is more brittle and prone to breakage mid strike. If used as a slashing weapon it is very plausable that the user would warp, bend, or break the blade in only a few strikes, exspecially considering the amount of force the user can put into it.

 

[Cmwissy]

further more, you can easily tell that the hidden blade is a Thrusting Weapon because of the size of the blade. A blade of that Width would be very poor in slashing motions as it is more brittle and prone to breakage mid strike. If used as a slashing weapon it is very plausable that the user would warp, bend, or break the blade in only a few strikes, exspecially considering the amount of force the user can put into it.

Incredibly good post(s) - thanks.

 

[Pyro Paul]

i also doubt the Devs acctually got the idea from a 'punching blade'

the 'WristBlade' has been around for a long time and has been used in many forms by enthusiests, hollywood, and outlaws to have a consealable weapon in easy reach. the first memorable example of a Wristblade would be in the movie 'Hudson Hawk' (1991); a light action comedy box office flop staring bruce willis. during the end the butler produces 2 wrist mounted switch blades which, while wholey impractical, are shear awsome.