What was so bad about Indiana Jones 4
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I loved the film and could even buy into some of the stupid bits like the fridge but and the killer ants being repelled by the skull,*spoiler* what ruined it for me was the bit where the alien spaceship takes off at the end, I just thought it to be unnecessary.
Definitely. Also, it was the EXACT film that someone would spoof if you locked Spielberg and George Lucas in a room together for 4 days with only energy drinks, doritos, one typewriter and 500 pages of blank paper, making sure to promise them an unlimited CGI budget.GRoXERs said:
The reason for this, which no-one on Earth except for me seems to be able to articulate, is the fact that they belong in completely different genres. Indiana Jones is mythology and fantasy, not science fiction.j0frenzy said:
It's not that space is off limits, it's that they literally shoved the camera into the face of an ALIEN.j0frenzy said:
I already said earlier, at least the first movies left some of the magic and mysticism to your imagination rather than just spelling it out for you.
Actually God kills the Nazis, because they open the Ark of the Covenant and look upon the face of god. It's part of Christian/Jewish mythology. So it fits in a film about an archaeologist really.HentMas said:
I hated Indy 4 because the CGI was crap, the storyline and acting were poor, and because aliens do not qualify as religion/mythology, or in fact as anything to do with archaeology.
The real reason why Indy 4 sucked.Zac_Dai said:
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Baby Tea said:
The difference between the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy really boils down to 1 man:
Lawrence Kasdan. He was the one who was able to taper the cheesiness and heavy-handedness out of Lucas' script of the original trilogy and make the dialogue work. Give it some character.
Also, as good as the actors qualifications are, the only 2 that had that clout or the know-how to be able to alter something on the fly a-la Harrison Ford were Ewan Macgregor (who i really think did the best job of capturing the essence of classic Star Wars) and Liam Neeson (who sadly was killed after 1 movie!)
There was too much attempt at political commentary here that was just HORRIBLY handled.
And let's face it: Lucas' concept of "Love" is downright creepy.
The man has a great vision, but he really doesn't relate to people very well.
I am just going to go right down the line with this one. I am going t number your list so it can match up with mine.Baby Tea said:
1. It has been a while since I have seen the movie but the ark was supposed to have immense power in it am I right? We can accept that it would have some defense around it(I really don't know, I thought that was weird). Plus they needed some way for the bad guys to die since it was 1h30m into the movie.
2. That wasn't the grail. Another defense to kept thieves from getting the real grail.
3. I don't actually remember this part but I will counter with this: you are alive for a little bit after being decapitated.
4. Standard action hero thing
5. I am not sure If Indy started this or not. If so then it was keeping treasure safe, it isn't hard to make them with their technology. If not then see argument 4.
6. I never liked Temple of Doom anyway.
7. see 6
8. so? we see voo-doo is other movies and accept it
9. see 7 || see 4
10. it was established early on that that is what the grail did.
11. see 10
12. I don't remember this part either but it sounds like the most possible one on this list just dress up like a Nazi and you will be fine.
13. see 1
14. Ahh yes, the Aliens. Typically whenever people say "unknown power" (if I am remembering the movie correctly that is what the skull was) it means "dues ex machina" which is typically frowned upon. Also, the first three Indy movies were down to Earth. They dealt with power hungry people that wanted to rule the world. They used established mythology to do it and tried to keep to it. However, aliens is cop out. Aliens can do whatever you want them to do. Everything else in Indiana Jones had a limit. The cup couldn't be taken, the ark was deadly, Temple of Doom was stupid, but Aliens are infinitely powerful and don't fit with the rest of Indiana Jones. Here's the true test. Replace "Indiana Jones" with any another name like "Oklahoma Smith" and watch the 4th movie again. Do you watch the movie and think "wow, they are really ripping off Indiana Jones" or "This more feels like an Indiana Jones movie". If no then you can see our ire. If yes then go watch a real Indiana Jones movie first.
I think for me it was the lack of mystery. What made Raiders stand out for me was even after all the weird stuff goes down, you -still- don't know what the arc's real power was, only that it didn't like Nazis. With the crystal skull, it was an alien. Not even one alien, but like a room of aliens that had to split apart for some reason and then rejoin so it could get picked up. And since this was the last part of the movie, it is what the audience is left talking and grumbling about.
Other than the lack of a mystery ending, I liked the movie overall. It wasn't Raiders, but Raiders in on a pinnacle that even Temple of Doom and the Last Crusade don't even come close to reaching for me.
Oh and Shia. I really really don't like that kid in anything and here he was annoying. Not transformers annoying, but annoying.
Other than the lack of a mystery ending, I liked the movie overall. It wasn't Raiders, but Raiders in on a pinnacle that even Temple of Doom and the Last Crusade don't even come close to reaching for me.
Oh and Shia. I really really don't like that kid in anything and here he was annoying. Not transformers annoying, but annoying.
Harrison Ford just seemed so tired in the role. Probably doesn't help that he was unintentionally written as if he were absent minded and senile.
CGI gophers/monkeys? Why? Why why why? What fucking purpose?
I don't think they had any idea what to do with Marion. "Hey let's put Marion in this movie." "Where has she been all this time?" "Oh, right! Well she'll have to be angry!" "But who is going to be the love interest?" "She'll just spontaneously change her mind in the middle of an action scene." "Oh, okay." *Snorts coke together*
Same with Ray Winstone's character.
The last two acts were poorly constructed and were pretty much just action set pieces one after another with very little logic connecting them.
This is all likely the product of cobbling together several different scripts with little mitigation of what wants to be seen over what needs to be seen.
John Williams was phoning it in just as much as everyone else.
They were so intent on moving Indiana Jones to the fifties but I don't think they understand: That isn't Indiana Jones. He's as much a character of the times than he is of himself. It's just depressing to see your heroes in an environment that has passed them by. It'd be like seeing your dad hanging out at your prom.
Perhaps people would be a little less upset if the title were Mutt Williams and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (It'd still be a shitty movie in my opinion but I'd deal with it all better) but let's face it. That won't sell as many tickets and may require a modicum of creative thinking.
CGI gophers/monkeys? Why? Why why why? What fucking purpose?
I don't think they had any idea what to do with Marion. "Hey let's put Marion in this movie." "Where has she been all this time?" "Oh, right! Well she'll have to be angry!" "But who is going to be the love interest?" "She'll just spontaneously change her mind in the middle of an action scene." "Oh, okay." *Snorts coke together*
Same with Ray Winstone's character.
The last two acts were poorly constructed and were pretty much just action set pieces one after another with very little logic connecting them.
This is all likely the product of cobbling together several different scripts with little mitigation of what wants to be seen over what needs to be seen.
John Williams was phoning it in just as much as everyone else.
They were so intent on moving Indiana Jones to the fifties but I don't think they understand: That isn't Indiana Jones. He's as much a character of the times than he is of himself. It's just depressing to see your heroes in an environment that has passed them by. It'd be like seeing your dad hanging out at your prom.
Perhaps people would be a little less upset if the title were Mutt Williams and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (It'd still be a shitty movie in my opinion but I'd deal with it all better) but let's face it. That won't sell as many tickets and may require a modicum of creative thinking.
